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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:02 am

Did I just see ZK-OAB fly past with a pretty sporty white nose randome?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:12 pm

Saw Xi Jinping and entourage heading out this evening from WLG. Surprised they only had a CA 738 given the amount of vehicles in their motorcade.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 101):

Saw Xi Jinping and entourage heading out this evening from WLG. Surprised they only had a CA 738 given the amount of vehicles in their motorcade.

No, he had an CA 747 in Brisbane. They also sent an Air China 747 cargo jet with his motorcade to AKL well in advance.

He also went to Hobart and Canberra on the 737 and my understanding is Hobart can't land a 747 so they had to ferry it via Darwin which happened to be useful to land in WLG as well. The 737 is on its way back via Darwin again and his 747 will take him home from AKL.

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Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 102):

Thanks for the info and update, appreciated.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:48 pm

Any updates on the delivery of -NZG ? So far only the B1 flight which was apparently cut short.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:15 am

Looks like AKL will have another tail soon...

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/air-n...-agree-strategic-alliance/5/208128

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Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:10 am

NZ form another strategic alliance - - - with CA to PEK -

Air China plans direct Auckland-Beijing flights

Air China has announced plans for direct flights to Beijing from Auckland as part of a strategic alliance with Air New Zealand.

The proposed service would be in addition to Air New Zealand's existing Shanghai-Auckland service.

Air New Zealand ditched its twice weekly Beijing service in 2012 to concentrate on Shanghai.

The two airlines today signed a statement of intent as part of Chinese President Xi Jinping's state visit to New Zealand.

The alliance remains subject to regulatory approval which will be sought after the airlines have further talks early next year.

In addition to a new route, an alliance between the carriers would bring significant benefits to customers travelling in both directions - including better network connections in both China and New Zealand and increased frequency of flights.

Air New Zealand chief executive Christopher Luxon said a deeper bilateral agreement between the two airlines would help to facilitate both business and tourism links between the two countries.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 106):

NZ form another strategic alliance - - - with CA to PEK -

NZ must feel enormous pressure from both MU and CZ. MU and CZ with their respective hubs and FFP bases can cover Mainland China a lot more adequately and cheaply than the half-baked CX alliance.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:09 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 104):
Any updates on the delivery of -NZG ? So far only the B1 flight which was apparently cut short.

2nd DEC 0825 last time I heard this week.
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Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:14 pm

"China Southern Moves Forward Boeing 777 Auckland Service to mid-Dec 2014"

China Southern is moving forward planned Boeing 777-300ER operations on Guangzhou – Auckland CZ305/306. Previously scheduled from 01JAN15, the airline will begin 777 operation from 16DEC14, until 29MAR15.

CZ305 CAN0030 – 1700AKL 77W D
CZ306 AKL2300 – 0600+1CAN 77W D

http://airlineroute.net/2014/11/21/cz-akl-dec14/

"Air New Zealand has been awarded Best Economy Cabin, Best Premium Economy Cabin, and Best Livery Design in this year’s Monocle magazine Travel Top 50 awards."

Monocle is a prestigious UK based magazine covering global affairs, business, culture and design. Each year its correspondents travel the world to compile a list of the best in travel, from airlines and hotels through to airport terminals and carry-on luggage.

Air New Zealand’s Chief Marketing and Customer Officer, Mike Tod, describes the triple win as a huge accolade for the airline.

“Our aim is to keep the customer experience at the forefront of everything we do. Having our Economy and Premium Economy experiences recognised as the best by such a discerning publication is heartening for our people who work hard every day to deliver fantastic customer journeys.”

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:23 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 108):
2nd DEC 0825 last time I heard this week.

That's going to put some pressure on getting NRT/PVG started on schedule.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:52 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 110):
That's going to put some pressure on getting NRT/PVG started on schedule.

NZG will operate no doubt be bedded in on 103/104 or 175/176 leaving the other two to work out NRT until PVG kicks in and it commences permanent longhaul. The 767 fleet can sub as required for SYD. Turnarounds in AKL likely NZ90-NZ175 and NZ176-NZ99.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:01 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 110):
That's going to put some pressure on getting NRT/PVG started on schedule.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 111):
NZG will operate no doubt be bedded in on 103/104 or 175/176 leaving the other two to work out NRT until PVG kicks in and it commences permanent longhaul. The 767 fleet can sub as required for SYD. Turnarounds in AKL likely NZ90-NZ175 and NZ176-NZ99.

Some horrible horrible 'band aid' fixes going on around the schedule with NZG delayed. 175/176 is (at the moment at least) being operated by the 763 fleet for a week or so in early December.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:39 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 112):
Some horrible horrible 'band aid' fixes going on around the schedule with NZG delayed. 175/176 is (at the moment at least) being operated by the 763 fleet for a week or so in early December.

I see -NZG completed its B2 flight late today. Hopefully all is clear for C flights early in the week.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:07 am

Interesting weather at WLG this afternoon. Siitting in the sun at home and watched a JQ A320 land into a gentle southerly which turned into a gentle northerly during final approach. The plane touched down more than halfway down the runway and stopped very near the very end. The next flight in, an NZ A320, aborted its landing doing a touch and go as the northerly picked up. Going around it again aborted, this time on finals and all approaches changed to the south with the white nosed Blackbird of NZ having to taxi back down to the other end of the runway for takeoff. Didn't look like ATC managed it too well.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:09 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 114):

Seems a bit strange that it landed more than halfway down the runway considering what was a headwind component turned into a tail wind, would have thought if anything it would potentially undershoot, go-around and re-circuit for the upcoming runway change, seems your right though, ATC were a bit slow to react.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:55 pm

Quoting dash8 (Reply 115):
Seems a bit strange

Yes, the whole thing seemed a bit strange, hence my post.
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 114):
Interesting weather at WLG this afternoon. Siitting in the sun at home and watched a JQ A320 land into a gentle southerly which turned into a gentle northerly during final approach

Reminds me of Feb 17th 1963 when a NAC Viscount 807 went off the south end of the runway and skidded sideways down the bank . I was aboard that flight . I believe a wind change as Motorhussy describes was the cause .
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:21 pm

Ah the Chinese carriers are moving in now when the market has matured. Interesting, NZ is in a bit of bother with this, their recently improved fortunes so they say on the Shanghai route will face competitive pressures from all three Chinese carriers. To be honest, that's going to hurt the chances of NZ being profitable on the Shanghai route and Ill say that a route to Shanghai will see not just substantial yield pressure there will also be serious question marks over NZ ability to generate enough demand on the route.

At present NZ sells a lot of their tickets through travelagents and interlining etc here. Travelagents sell for commission and NZ doesn't have strong ties to agents on one side of the route. on the other the Flightcentres, Orbitz of this world push NZ but to what avail. Most NZ Chinese going to mainland China will choose based on price and a Chinese carrier doesn't scare them. To the contrary a lot of the grandma / grandpa traffic will prefer an alternative where mandarin is spoken.

NZ got the early initiative with China, now well see if that was worth the initial losses. Did NZ build enough brand awareness and a loyal pool of fliers or did they just sell on price and availability...
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 117):
NAC Viscount 807

Loved the window seats on these planes, slow and scenic.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 118):
and Ill say that a route to Shanghai will see not just substantial yield pressure there will also be serious question marks over NZ ability to generate enough demand on the route.

The 789 will save NZ about $US100 per round trip ticket in fuel cost. But then the competitors with 788's will also be saving a chunk of money.   
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:12 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 118):
To the contrary a lot of the grandma / grandpa traffic will prefer an alternative where mandarin is spoken.

Is Mandarin not spoken on NZ flights to PVG? That would surprise me. There have always been quite a few Nihon-Go speakers on Jp flights when I've been, and although I can't understand Cantonese, I can identify it and discern it from Mandarin, and I've heard NZ staff speaking it on HKG flights. Is this not the case for PVG, or is it perception?

And importantly, is there not any message cutting through in the PRC that NZ offers a quality product, presumably at a competitive price?
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:33 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 121):
Is Mandarin not spoken on NZ flights to PVG? That would surprise me. There have always been quite a few Nihon-Go speakers on Jp flights when I've been, and although I can't understand Cantonese, I can identify it and discern it from Mandarin, and I've heard NZ staff speaking it on HKG flights. Is this not the case for PVG, or is it perception?

And importantly, is there not any message cutting through in the PRC that NZ offers a quality product, presumably at a competitive price?

PVG crew are Shanghai based. Out of the 12 crew members on a 777, 10 are Chinese so you will likely hear more Mandarin than English on these flights.

Chinese carriers are quickly catching on in terms of product quality especially with the amount of new widebody aircraft on order. The new Zodiac Business seats on the new MU 77W's are just as good as any other quality carrier. The competition will just get worse for NZ.

Was is worth it despite years of losses? I would still think so. The Chinese market simply is huge and will only continue to grow. If New Zealand doesn't offer the capacity they will go somewhere else. Christopher Luxon once said, they will come whether you are ready or not.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:00 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 111):
NZG will operate no doubt be bedded in on 103/104 or 175/176 leaving the other two to work out NRT until PVG kicks in and it commences permanent longhaul.

Why does it have to be 'bedded in'? Shouldn't a brand new aircraft be able to do long haul from the get go? Or is the short haul services to try and find teething problems (though I thought that's what the Boeing customer flights were for?).

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 100):

Did I just see ZK-OAB fly past with a pretty sporty white nose randome?
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2014/11/airbus-a320-zk-oab.html

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 102):
They also sent an Air China 747 cargo jet with his motorcade

And a very cool motorcade it was! (apologies moderators, if this is too far off topic).
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/SDdTigMXnjd/Xi Jinping Arrives in Auckland/6gWjPvS0MGJ
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...11/chinese-presidential-visit.html

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 105):

Looks like AKL will have another tail soon...
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 106):

NZ form another strategic alliance - - - with CA to PEK -

Air China plans direct Auckland-Beijing flights

I wonder what aircraft they will use. I don't think the A330s have the legs to get down here (CZ used A330-200s, but PEK is 1,000km further from Auckland than CAN), whilst the 747s/77Ws would seem like overkill for starting a new long haul route.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 120):
The 789 will save NZ about $US100 per round trip ticket in fuel cost.

But how much extra will it cost per ticket to finance the new plane?  
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:36 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 123):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 111):NZG will operate no doubt be bedded in on 103/104 or 175/176 leaving the other two to work out NRT until PVG kicks in and it commences permanent longhaul.Why does it have to be 'bedded in'? Shouldn't a brand new aircraft be able to do long haul from the get go?

I'm thinking more to do with crew training since its still a new fleet/type
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:55 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 123):
I don't think the A330s have the legs

How recent are CI's A332's? The newer build HGW models could definitely do it.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 122):
12 crew members on a 777, 10 are Chinese so you will likely hear more Mandarin than English on these flights.

Thanks, that's what I'd have thought so really it's about the perception of NZ not being 中国 enough in terms of cabin service, staffing etc. when the reality is quite different.

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Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:31 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 122):
Chinese carriers are quickly catching on in terms of product quality especially with the amount of new widebody aircraft on order. The new Zodiac Business seats on the new MU 77W's are just as good as any other quality carrier. The competition will just get worse for NZ.

The hard product might be catching up but the soft product still needs some work when compared to their counterparts on the OZ/NZ-Europe route. Very competitive pricing makes up for it to some extent. Given the rapid progress being made though, it would seem it won't be too long before at least some of the Chinese carriers offer a comparable overall inflight product.



Quoting motorhussy (Reply 114):
Interesting weather at WLG this afternoon. Siitting in the sun at home and watched a JQ A320 land into a gentle southerly which turned into a gentle northerly during final approach. The plane touched down more than halfway down the runway and stopped very near the very end. The next flight in, an NZ A320, aborted its landing doing a touch and go as the northerly picked up. Going around it again aborted, this time on finals and all approaches changed to the south with the white nosed Blackbird of NZ having to taxi back down to the other end of the runway for takeoff. Didn't look like ATC managed it too well.

The Northerly change was very pronounced and sudden - spent some tike in the hold while control sorted themselves out.
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:11 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 123):
I wonder what aircraft they will use. I don't think the A330s have the legs to get down here (CZ used A330-200s, but PEK is 1,000km further from Auckland than CAN), whilst the 747s/77Ws would seem like overkill for starting a new long haul route.

Perhaps it will make sense to wait until late 2015 when they receive their 787-9.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 123):
Why does it have to be 'bedded in'? Shouldn't a brand new aircraft be able to do long haul from the get go? Or is the short haul services to try and find teething problems (though I thought that's what the Boeing customer flights were for?).

Thats what Norwegian thought. I believe every new type added to the fleet needs time to settle in. There are carriers who take the precaution of having a backup with crew in place in the early days of EIS. I kept track of NZ's 789 EIS from FlightAware for about the first 150 departures or so and there may have been one or two delays that were not attributable to traffic. They appear to have done a very good job of handling this.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:05 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 124):
I'm thinking more to do with crew training since its still a new fleet/type

If it's related to crew, then the specific aircraft (ZK-NZG) shouldn't be limited to certain flights, but rather the whole fleet.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 128):
I believe every new type added to the fleet needs time to settle in.

OKS did a single service to Australia before doing its first (commercial) long haul later that same day.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 128):
They appear to have done a very good job of handling this.

   Someone here mentioned that only two 789 services went tech and needed an aircraft change. That's fairly impressive.  
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 129):
Someone here mentioned that only two 789 services went tech and needed an aircraft change

The instances I saw on Flightaware suggested that there was a delay ; that the service was completed in both directions by the scheduled aircraft. No type or rego. changes that I noticed at the time.
 
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:15 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 129):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 124):I'm thinking more to do with crew training since its still a new fleet/type If it's related to crew, then the specific aircraft (ZK-NZG) shouldn't be limited to certain flights, but rather the whole fleet.

Yes that is true. I'm thinking that is maybe because its better if the newest aircraft flies the short routes to enable more crew to be trained which also makes it easier in case the aircraft has any issues relating to teething. If I was in charge of NZ, I would certainly prefer the newest aircraft to operate the short/local flights in case of any issues instead of arranging for spare parts in Tokyo or Perth and having an aircraft out of service so far away. Yes any aircraft can suffer issues 8+ hours away from home but a newer aircraft is more likely just like a new vehicle/ship etc

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:30 am

Despite an aircraft being brand new (I do love that new airplane smell), we keep the new baby close to home for a few trips as there are sometimes infant mortality issues with parts/systems. You're right, it's way easier to manage this close to home, despite having a significant stock of spare parts at the 787 destinations.

Won't have long on SYD though. With PER, PVG and NRT in play by mid December, SYD only features on Saturdays and Sundays.
 
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:22 am

ZK-MVF is c/n 1228 and it's on the production line. It was reported to be c/n 1185 by ATDB but this was an error.

ATR c/n's 1201 to 1219 appear to be reserved for ATR42-600's as were c/n's 1001 to 1019.

The Air NZ domestic schedule 06 Jul to 19 Oct 2015 has NZ5387 CHC-ZQN 1920/2030 Mondays only. This looks like Air NZ's first night flight to ZQN, but it's only once a week with the AT7.

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:36 pm

PVG to AKL on the 27th March and AKL to PVG on the 4th April will they be 789 or 777?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 134):
PVG to AKL on the 27th March and AKL to PVG on the 4th April will they be 789 or 777?

The on line schedule says both will be 789 services.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:46 am

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...erest-from-chinese-airlines-197782

Above is a great analysis of the recent QF/MU and NZ/CA alliance announcements. It is suggesting that CX has not solved all NZ's problem in China and NZ may still need yet another partner in China.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:14 pm

I flew back from SYD on NZF NZ108 the other night, TBH it wasn't the greatest.
I was very disappointed for a night flight the whole way that the crew darkened all the windows remotely to about #4 setting (second darkest) and took the window control away completely for the whole cabin from right before a beautiful sun set so that it all reflected green and was quite nauseating . It's the first time any of the 787 flights/airlines I have been on have been so militant with it, even on overnight flights where the sun will rise while still inflight (unlikely with a midnight arrival). They didn't even do that on PER-AKL which was landing just after sunrise...

PS I flew in the Y Class for the first time and I was distinctly uncomfortable (as opposed to U Class which is excellent) the width was surprisingly not so bad as the pitch (although the gentleman next to me was quite large). I had the skycouch footrest row which may have had something to do with it. The tray table seemed much smaller than on ET/NH and it was so small I kept dropping serviettes and cutlery off the side, and ultimately I will choose a 763 or A320 flight next time over a 789 shorthaul.. I was distinctly underwhelmed by the tray served too. I tend to think for someone who has paid extra for a Works meal, it should be worth paying for. My real concern was that I was uncomfortable on a flight that was only 2h30min long, not 10h45 or 11h30 as it would be for NRT/PVG. the 77W 3-4-3 was comfortable by comparison,

Overall I was disappointed by the Checkin process too. I was webchecked and *G having to wait an additional 1h30min landside until 1230 when the flight 'opened' to reprint a boarding card that had already been generated online because SYD doesn't accept Mobile boarding cards. It is a simple input to reprint boarding card and doesn't require any further checkin process that denied me lounge time (I wanted lunch after an early morning domestic flight). I get that the no mobile boarding card thing is an airport thing, but the refusal by staff to reprint until flight could be opened seemed very strange as everywhere else it would have been done without issue and I would have been able to clear customs departures straight away.

Oversensitive and expecting too much or worthy of a complaint?? Your thoughts are welcomed.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 137):
Oversensitive and expecting too much or worthy of a complaint?? Your thoughts are welcomed.

I think the refusal to print a boarding pass is ridiculous and if you are already checked in then there is no reason why this could not be done.
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Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:41 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 137):
I was webchecked and *G having to wait an additional 1h30min landside until 1230 when the flight 'opened' to reprint a boarding card that had already been generated online

This is the only thing I believe a complaint should be made over. Its stupid and crazy to wait considering I've been checked in for a WLG flights hours before the WLG flight was officially able to be checked in without any problems
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:05 am

NZ is poised to decide on a new US destination: Apparently IAH, LAS and ORD are the contenders, with NZ having ruled out DEN before. Shame - I would have preferred DEN of those 4 options...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11365415

What do you think is the decision going to be? IAH?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:21 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 140):
What do you think is the decision going to be? IAH?

Interestingly there has been no talk of this at work for ages. That isn't to say it won't be USA but to me there is no guarantee it will be a US market announced next - it could just be a route announcement generally to the Americas or somewhere else entirely. If it is to the USA, I think it has to be 777-200 if they want to start asap. NZ invested a lot in the lounge and terminal transfers at LAX. if IAH starts, the very flights it will affect is LAX connecting traffic. I don't know if that impacts their decision, TBH the real reason I think is because they might have caught wind of another NZ-US carrier being interested. I have no evidence though, just a hunch.

I reckon it might just be a new route + another new partner. I reckon NZ will eventually tie up with LA SCL/LIM or EZE as NZ/CA have with PVG/PEK and as an outsider a tie up with HA via HNL.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:45 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 141):
Interestingly there has been no talk of this at work for ages. That isn't to say it won't be USA but to me there is no guarantee it will be a US market announced next - it could just be a route announcement generally to the Americas or somewhere else entirely.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 141):
I have no evidence though, just a hunch.

  

I think the article is astonishingly speculative - long on fancy and short on facts. I'm surprised the Herald printed it.

The airline may be planning a new route to "America" but I would be very surprised if it is to LAS and probably even more surprised if it is ORD - why overfly LAX? And if it is ORD or IAH I guess the whole "Pacific Rim" concept is out of the window.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:46 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 141):
TBH the real reason I think is because they might have caught wind of another NZ-US carrier being interested. I have no evidence though, just a hunch.

Well AA has been rumoured for a while to be interested in AKL, but from LAX with a QF codeshare.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 142):
I think the article is astonishingly speculative - long on fancy and short on facts. I'm surprised the Herald printed it.

The article has been re-written - edited - to reflect it's speculative nature. The reference to Denver has been completely removed, for example.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11365600

It's now full or words like "possibly" and "could."

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:35 am

Sorry to burst the bubble of those who see the Herald article about a new US destination as being
sloppy journalistic hyperbole, but it seems that the source for the story is actually NZ's own Weibo
site. This from a respected aviation analysis site:

Quote:
Air New Zealand via its official Weibo account stated (27-Nov-2014) candidates for next new
North American destination includes Las Vegas, Houston, Chicago, building on its current
network of Vancouver, Los Angeles and San Francisco. The carrier plans to use Boeing
787-9 aircraft to increase frequency and add new routes to North America, citing increased
demand.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 145):
Sorry to burst the bubble of those who see the Herald article about a new US destination as being
sloppy journalistic hyperbole, but it seems that the source for the story is actually NZ's own Weibo
site. This from a respected aviation analysis site:

If it;s true, it;s true, but that doesn't excuse the sloppy journalism of the original article (what did happen to the line about Denver??) and the original headline:

"Air NZ set to announce new US destination"

How can it be "set to announce" somewhere if it hasn't decided where it is?

Speculation is fine on a.net, but I expect rather more from a newspaper of record.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:57 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 145):
Sorry to burst the bubble of those who see the Herald article about a new US destination as being
sloppy journalistic hyperbole, but it seems that the source for the story is actually NZ's own Weibo
site. This from a respected aviation analysis site:

Quote:
Air New Zealand via its official Weibo account stated (27-Nov-2014) candidates for next new
North American destination includes Las Vegas, Houston, Chicago, building on its current
network of Vancouver, Los Angeles and San Francisco. The carrier plans to use Boeing
787-9 aircraft to increase frequency and add new routes to North America, citing increased
demand.

I was just going to post about this. Some airline official Weibo accounts have long been criticised for posting incorrect information or information not yet verified. Apparently some of these accounts are managed by incompetent Chinese employees who like to source information from third parties and do not know about aviation. I think in this case, NZ Weibo account sourced it from The Herald rather than the other way around. They must think whatever Herald reports must be true. I would never trust Weibo accounts.

Someone posted a question under that Weibo account asking if NZ would consider opening another route in Canada. This Weibo account replied that they would definitely consider it. Whoever is managing this account apparently thinks he knows more than their CEO and is totally irresponsible.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:46 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 147):
I think in this case, NZ Weibo account sourced it from The Herald rather than the other way around.
Really?

In the (transport) organisation I work for if I posted an incorrect story from the Herald on the organisation's official social media sites without high level authorisation I would expect to be sacked immediately.

Do you have evidence for your belief that Air NZ sourced the story from the Herald, or is this also speculation?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 148):
Really?

In the (transport) organisation I work for if I posted an incorrect story from the Herald on the organisation's official social media sites without high level authorisation I would expect to be sacked immediately.

Do you have evidence for your belief that Air NZ sourced the story from the Herald, or is this also speculation?

I don't have any evidence but I am quite confident about it. They also sourced the NZ 75 anniversary story from the Herald on the same day. Why would they announce it on Weibo but not on Facebook? I think people with high level authorisation can't read Chinese so they probably aren't aware of it. Most of those who read Chinese probably don't really care.

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