|Quoting irshava (Thread starter):|
the missile that brought down MH17 was supplied by Russia and launched from a BUK missile launcher, a system that the Ukrainian army does not possess.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have 60 operational BUK systems, by their own admission. All of them are accounted for. None of them fell into rebel hands.
|Quoting irshava (Reply 6):|
I refuse to even discuss this with someone who has been presented "the facts" that he desires and arrogantly denies them.
I understand your feelings, and I'm with you and your compatriots, but let's please stick to the facts. Only by sticking to the facts will Ukraine win the propaganda war with Russia.
|Quoting sovietjet (Reply 22):|
It's quite obvious irshava, given the flag next to his name, is heavily biased and unable to have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with him.
Can you blame him? His country and people are under blatant attack by Russia. People are dying as a result of Putin's brain malfunctions ...
|Quoting pvjin (Reply 28):|
It's also obvious that only rebels could have shot it down by an accident, thinking it was an Ukrainian military bird.
No Ukrainian BUK could conceivably have been in a position to hit MH17 where it was shot down.
The location of the launcher is clear -- south of Snizhne. Right near the frontline, in an area where Ukrainian aircraft had been very active bombing rebel positions and dropping supplies to the Ukrainian forces who were surrounded in the border areas.
A very logical position to place the BUK from the perspective of the Russians / rebels.
|Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 59):|
This is my only problem with the entire separatists shot it down theory, these missiles make a shit load of noise when they launch, it was launched (if the article is correct) from a fairly well populated location, in this day and age every man and his dog has cellphone which can take video. So how come nobody did? How come nobody is coming forward and stating they saw the missile exhaust?
The missile was launched from near the frontline (i.e., in an area where people were sheltering and there was plenty of background noise). In addition, the smoke trail of the missile was photographed. If you push me to go through the effort, I will find the picture for you (once again).
Completely different. Here is a BUK launch:
The missile is out of sight and sound within seconds. No time really to grab a cellphone to take a picture of the launch. By the time the sound of the launch travels 1 km, the rocket is already several kilometers up in the air.
Imagine a cloudy sky combined with this footage...
|Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 68):|
t wouldn't have happened if the Ukrainian govt had completely closed the airspace over the area. They knew the rebels had a BUK, they know what a BUK can do, it was their responsibility to make sure the airspace over the area was closed because of this threat.
We know from your previous posts that you have an irrational hatred toward all things Ukrainian. We can only guess what is behind this. Perhaps you were dumped by a Ukrainian girlfriend sometime...?
Whatever the reasons, based on your track record, you have zero credibility commenting on anything concerning Ukraine.
|Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 76):|
Yes they did the AN-26 shot down on the 14th July was shot down by a BUK.
The An-26 was shot down at 6,000 meters. Nobody knows by what. The Ukrainian authorities claimed it was shot down by some sort of missile fired from accross the border with Russia.
|Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 107):|
According to the WSJ article the Unkanian officials knew all about the BUK, but dailed to act on it.
No airplane was shot down by a rebel-operated BUK before MH17.
The fact of the matter is that MH17 was most likely shot down by a Russian BUK operated by a Russian (regular army) crew. They just messed up, at their first try...
The efforts Russia and its useful idiots go through to invent alternative theories just add weight to this explanation of events, which is entirely consistent with the available evidence.[Edited 2014-11-16 15:35:44]
[Edited 2014-11-16 15:57:53]