Delta Aircraft Refurbishment

TFlintoff24 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:19 am

Delta announced almost a year ago their plans to refurbish the A319, A320, B737, and B757 fleet. What is the status of these updates? Have any aircraft been updated or is there a projected start date?

http://news.delta.com/2014-01-08-Del...n-225-Domestic-Narrowbody-Aircraft

1337Delta764 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:31 am

There is one domestic 752 (N548US, a PMNW aircraft) that is currently being modded. Since the 752s are getting completely new interiors, it will take quite a bit of time to get FAA certification for these mods.

[Edited 2014-11-12 19:31:21]

audidudi · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:43 am

Here the list of the B752s, (75E), which have been converted to 75S with the flat-bed seats in BE:

N624AG
N706TW (currently in mods at VQQ)
N712TW (currently in mods at VQQ)
N717TW
N718TW
N721TW

Here's the list of the B753s which have been modded with winglets and AVOD and 110-volt/USB throughout:

N581NW
N582NW
N583NW
N584NW
N585NW
N586NW
N587NW
N588NW
N589NW
N590NW
N591NW (currently in mods at SAT)
N595NW (currently in mods at SAT)

If anyone wants to start a proper thread to follow-up on all the aircraft being refurbished that would be great.

audidudi · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:53 am

B752 N544US is currently in mods at VQQ.

tommy767 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:58 am

Flew on an AVOD equipped 753 on LAX-DTW on 10/16. It was a super nice ride.

Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):

Nice!

audidudi · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):

I wonder if N548US is being modded at IND, which is where it's last flight terminated according to FlightAware, or whether it was ferried to VQQ?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N548US

tommy767 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:05 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 2):
N624AG

Is this the A/C that DL got in a fire sale about 3-4 years ago? I think it was an Aero Mexico bird before this?

seabosdca · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:11 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
Is this the A/C that DL got in a fire sale about 3-4 years ago? I think it was an Aero Mexico bird before this?

I see occasional comments that it's a hangar queen, but it has roughly comparable cycles/hours to the rest of the 75E fleet although it's a couple of years older than the others.

Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
B752 N544US is currently in mods at VQQ.

Looking forward to seeing pictures. I think these will be the only 752s in the world equipped with the new bin system.

audidudi · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:17 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):

Correct! It was formerly N801AM with AeroMexico, TC-SNA with Sun Express, XA-ACA with Aladia and F-GTIP with ?

audidudi · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:20 pm

Does anyone know whether the larger capacity overhead bins which are being installed in the 56 B752s, are also being installed in the B753s? There was no mention of this in DL's press release linked in the opening thread. It would make sense if so, but no sense if not. I'm actually surprised that there was no mention of the B753s having any mods at all, despite what is currently being done to them!

1337Delta764 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
Does anyone know whether the larger capacity overhead bins which are being installed in the 56 B752s, are also being installed in the B753s? There was no mention of this in DL's press release linked in the opening thread. It would make sense if so, but no sense if not. I'm actually surprised that there was no mention of the B753s having any mods at all, despite what is currently being done to them!

Nope, not on the 753s. Note that the 753s have a 737NG-style interior, and DL isn't modding the bins on the 73G/738 fleet either.

n515cr · Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
B752 N544US is currently in mods at VQQ.

Thanks. I was wondering about that one!

n515cr · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:04 pm

Quoting TFlintoff24 (Thread starter):
B737

Potentially a few of these have received mods, but it's very difficult to tell using FlightAware/FlightRadar and Dl.com to verify.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
DL isn't modding the bins on the 73G/738 fleet either.

That's rather unfortunate but understanable.

CF-CPI · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:15 pm

I am happy to see the NW aircraft getting an overhaul. To be frank, the legacy First Class seats from NW were a disgrace, and the sooner they, and their thin padding with drop-down trays, are put out to pasture the better. (there, got it out of my system).

Many of the DL originals were given touch screens up front, on a par with the 737-832s, but it is great to hear that all 752 will eventually be upgraded to a newer standard.

Now if they would just get started on the Airbii.....

widget1580 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:18 pm

Here is a refreshed first class seat on the 88:

http://theforwardcabin.boardingarea....w-delta-domestic-first-class-seat/

tlecam · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:27 pm

So is anything happening with the 319's / 320's? Or did Delta abandon those plans?

tlecam · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting Widget1580 (Reply 14):

Here is a refreshed first class seat on the 88:

http://theforwardcabin.boardingarea....w-delta-domestic-first-class-seat/

Wow - that's a like it or hate it look. I like it, but I'm sure it's going to draw some criticism from folks who don't like it.

widget1580 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:53 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 16):
Wow - that's a like it or hate it look. I like it, but I'm sure it's going to draw some criticism from folks who don't like it.

I agree, I like it as well. It is a nice change to see some color in a monotonous sea of blue and I also like that Delta has incorporated the widget in the headrest. Also, it looks like there is more padding.

[Edited 2014-11-13 09:55:17]

1337Delta764 · Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 15):
So is anything happening with the 319's / 320's? Or did Delta abandon those plans?

Yes, both are getting new seats and overhead bins, but only the A319s will be getting AVOD. However, mods have not started for those aircraft yet.

audidudi · Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:56 am

It looks like N548US is getting ready to return to service. I assume that this is the first DL B752 (non 75E) to be modded and it has been performed at IND. Interestingly another ship, N544US, was sent to VQQ for mods, the same location as the 75Es being converted to 75S spec. So it would appear that DL is going to be using both locations to perform the mods to these 56 ships.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N548US

[Edited 2014-11-13 19:03:49]

n515cr · Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:26 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 21):

It looks like N548US is getting ready to return to service.

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing pics of it.

Quoting audidudi (Reply 21):
So it would appear that DL is going to be using both locations to perform the mods to these 56 ships.

Any idea where the 738s are gettings mods? ATL?

[Edited 2014-11-13 23:44:50]

DeltaRules · Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:28 pm

For clarification, the "56 757s" DL is modding and planning to keep around into the future do NOT include the N7**TW ETOPS planes or the 753s, right? Meaning there will actually be more than just 56 757s when the phase-out of the older planes is complete.

audidudi · Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 24):

Correct! So there will be a total of 56 B752 ships (non 75E/S), 18 75E/S ships (the 75E becomes the 75S after being modded), and 16 B753 ships. Grand total =90 ships.

Dalmd88 · Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:22 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 25):
Correct! So there will be a total of 56 B752 ships (non 75E/S), 18 75E/S ships (the 75E becomes the 75S after being modded), and 16 B753 ships. Grand total =90 ships.

Plus 10 more that have been given a retirement reprieve. They are going to be in a new charter only config. Work on those start in spring last I heard. To be done in ATL.

tommy767 · Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 26):

Interesting. Are these PMDL 1990-1995 builds in addition to the 90?

n515cr · Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:08 am

N544US is currently en route ATL-ANC, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N544US, after flying VQQ-ATL earlier today...both as ferry flights. Should be interested to see what comes of this...

KingAir200 · Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 28):

5644 is a 24/150 75A and not in the new configuration, even after the VQQ visit.

audidudi · Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:59 am

quote=KingAir200,reply=29][/quote]

So what was it doing at VQQ for the last four weeks? Is this now a new outsource for DL maintenance then?

[Edited 2014-11-14 20:59:37]

Dalmd88 · Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:36 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 30):

Quoting audidudi (Reply 30):
So what was it doing at VQQ for the last four weeks? Is this now a new outsource for DL maintenance then?

Yes, they have also been doing the 717 pre indoc work. Four weeks is about the right time for a heavy check.

n515cr · Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:55 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 29):
5644 is a 24/150 75A and not in the new configuration, even after the VQQ visit.

Got it, couldn't see seat maps on the ferry flights. Thanks for the update!

audidudi · Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:57 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 31):

In future, I shall not jump to conclusions that whenever a DL B752 goes to VQQ that it has gone there for mods! The only exception to this are the 75E ships which do go there to be modded as 75Ss!

audidudi · Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:33 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 28):

My guess is the it is going to be based at NRT to possibly replace one of the existing "Asia" based ships. Currently there are six ships based in NRT. They operate routes to GUM, KIX, NGO, NRT and SPN.
N535US
N536US
N537US
N538US
N545US
N546US

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N544US

chrisp390 · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):

Why do they not plan to add AVOD on the A320's?

KingAir200 · Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 35):
Why do they not plan to add AVOD on the A320's?

Older than the 319 fleet, on the whole, and generally flown on shorter stage lengths. There will be power ports at each seat and streaming IFE, though

tommy767 · Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:35 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 36):

I believe the 319s are being upped to longer stage lengths as a result of the upgrades. It's possible that engines are receiving mods to do this as well.

audidudi · Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:26 pm

N706TW has completed mods and has flown back to ATL. So far I haven't found any info on the next 75E to go to VQQ.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N706TW

n515cr · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:00 am

The first updated domestic 757, N548US flew to ATL today as DL9995: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N548US. Not sure when it will RTS.

747d10 · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:10 am

Will N548US and the subsequently modded ships have a new code (i.e. 75A, 75S, etc)?
Can't wait to see pics of the mods.

Brewfangrb · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:29 am

Well, I'm bummed and thrilled by this. Just this weekend, I flew GRB>MSP>LAS in first and the MSP>LAS flight was a 752. Seat was very wide and excellent leg room. Couldn't be happer with that. But disappointing a long-ish flight like MSP>LAS has no IFE. (Despite flying infrequently, I guess my expectations were too high). WiFi via GoGo worked reasonably well, however. (Not exactly blazing, but serviceable). It's good to know that hopefully by my next trip to LAS, I might have an updated a/c.

The return LAS>MSP flight was a 319. It was perfectly fine, but certainly beginning to show signs of tiredness.

1337Delta764 · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:56 am

FYI, according to a post on FT, the proposed Interport configuration for the Asia-based aircraft has been scrapped. They will be in the standard domestic configuration instead.

audidudi · Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:02 am

Quoting 747d10 (Reply 40):

I don't know if the codes will be changing for the 752s being modded, except the 75E ships become 75S.

Delta.com lists the following versions: The mobile App lists the following versions:
757 75A
75A 75E
75E (before mods) 75J
75M 75M
75N 75N
75S (after mods) 75V
75V 75X
75X

Despite multiple calls to the Diamond Medallion direct phone # over the past year to tell them that the mobile App is terribly out of date in its seat maps/aircraft configurations, nothing has been updated. As you can see, the website lists a plain 757 config, but no 75J. The mobile App doesn't list a plain 757, has a 75J and no 75S. And to add insult to injury, the mobile App still shows multiple other errors which again I have brought to DL's attention with the promise that my updates will be forwarded to the appropriate dept. The A320 lists 16 FC seats, while showing the correct 12 seats in the 'View Layout"; the A333 is still showing "sleeper seats" instead of the "flat-bed seats" and all the B763ERs are still showing "sleeper seats" instead of the "flat-bed seats". I haven't even bothered to look at all the B752s and B753s to see whether they are correct! COME ON DELTA, IT'S TIME TO GET THE MOBILE APP UPDATED! Even UA's mobile App shows the ship # that's operating the flight, so that at night time, we don't have to wonder what ship we're flying on!

audidudi · Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:31 am

Just to clarify what I posted above re-the difference between the delta.com website and the mobile App, when it comes to showing the different B757s. Apologies for how I tried to distinguish between the two. Obviously it didn't work out!

Delta.com lists the different B752s as follows:

757
75A
75E (pre-mods)
75M
75N
75S (post-mods)
75V
75X

Mobile App lists the different B752s as follows:

75A
75E
75J
75M
75N
75V
75X

b727fa · Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:08 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 35):
Why do they not plan to add AVOD on the A320's?

The theory is that 3 hr flights will. So in theory, the MD-7/8/9 and A320 will be scheduled to fly

brilondon · Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 5):
I wonder if N548US is being modded at IND, which is where it's last flight terminated according to FlightAware, or whether it was ferried to VQQ?

Where are the Falcons playing or the Hawks? Or are there any college games being played in Indy this week?

[Edited 2014-11-19 10:15:47]

Dalmd88 · Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:43 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 5):

I wonder if N548US is being modded at IND, which is where it's last flight terminated according to FlightAware, or whether it was ferried to VQQ?

AAR @ IND is a heavy check contractor. So it is going for an 'M' check. I would bet it also gets the new interior config since during 'M' check the interior gets completely removed.

B757Forever · Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 39):
The first updated domestic 757, N548US flew to ATL today as DL9995:

I walked through ship 5648 (N548US) today. The interior looks phenomenal! Everything is new, not refurbished. New ceilings, O/H bins, sidewalls, galleys, lavs, seats etc. Those O/H bins are huge! It has lots of power ports at all seat locations, mood lighting similar to the B737-900. I've never seen a commercial 757 interior that looked this good.

747d10 · Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:24 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 49):

Do the lavs have the vacuum toilets, or are they still the old "swirly" type with the blue ty-d-bol liquid?
Any pics to share??
I can't wait to see this.

Beatyair · Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:33 am

I see the C Series in the future to replace the 717 patch, but before that they will get some feedback from Republic first.

B757Forever · Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting 747d10 (Reply 50):
Do the lavs have the vacuum toilets, or are they still the old "swirly" type with the blue ty-d-bol liquid?

They are still the "swirly" toilets. Only the 757-300 has the vacuum toilets. It would be quite an undertaking to retrofit to those.

Quoting 747d10 (Reply 50):
Any pics to share??

I have lots of pics, however I think it would be prudent to allow DL to release those.

audidudi · Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:25 am

This question may belong in a separate thread, so apologies if it does:

Can anyone list the ship #s and/or registrations of the different versions of the B752/757 i.e. from my list above we have 7 versions excluding the 757E/S ships as these are the easiest to identify, being the N7**TW and N624AG ships with ship #s 6801-6818. Also do we know yet whether ship #5648 (N548US) is now a different version since mods or not?

757
75A
75J
75M
75N
75V N750AT,N751AT,N752AT,N757AT (Ships 6902,6901,6904,6903)
75X

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