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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): Its simply part of UA's announcement of rebanking hubs at Chicago, Denver, and Houston along with the long planned draw down of smaller regional aircraft. UA will end 2015 with 130 fewer RJs. |
Quoting chicago757 (Thread starter): United Airlines has announced it will reduce the number of flights out of Chicago O'Hare. The airline will now be creating "multiple rush-hours" throughout the day. However, they now will be servicing larger aircraft in place of frequent smaller aircraft. (Sounds like it used to be back in the day). Does anyone know if this is in reference to less regional jets upgraded to standard narrow-bodied aircraft (737, A319/ 320), or are they planning on throwing some wide-bodies on more domestic routes like the good 'ol days of flying had. If so, which routes and aircraft would serve (or probably serve) those routes. Any thoughts and feedback much appreciated. Take care! Kevin |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): UA will end 2015 with 130 fewer RJs. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): And while it is NOT talked about it on here often, Chicago has lost 200,000 people over the last decade and a million people since 1950. While the Metro area that includes WI and IN has grown, the city itself is losing an alarming number of people. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 2): So how big is the frequency reduction ? I recall UA/ORD in the summer is like 650-670 departures ... would they fall to the low 600s or into the 500s ? |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago "1950 3,620,962 6.6% 1960 3,550,404 −1.9% 1970 3,366,957 −5.2% 1980 3,005,072 −10.7% 1990 2,783,726 −7.4% 2000 2,896,016 4.0% 2010 2,695,598 −6.9%" That is not a good sign. And while it is NOT talked about it on here often, Chicago has lost 200,000 people over the last decade and a million people since 1950. |
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 7): if this is happening, maybe Houston could even nab HQ. |
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 7): Bummer, So I guess IAH will eventually become the Largest hub in UA's network again, if this is happening, maybe Houston could even nab HQ. |
Quoting stlgph (Reply 15): Hardly. For one, the office operation at the Willis (aka Sears Tower) is huge and after all the orchestration and dance of putting it together and make it work, why screw it up? The airline has bigger things to worry about right now. For two, UAL got one hell of a sweetheart deal to come in there. For three, the lease is there until 2028 and if they move out before hand, that's a hell of a sweetheart penalty on that sweetheart deal. |
Quoting 777ord (Reply 12): AA will expand ORD.. just wait . They already overtook UA @ LAX as the largest carrier.. and they are NOT stopping. Expect new routes from LAX announced soon. |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18): |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): While the Metro area that includes WI and IN has grown, the city itself is losing an alarming number of people. This is the opposite trend of other large cities around the country where young people are returning to the cities after a generation of "White Flight." Chicago is not the next Detroit, but Chicago has some issues. And O'Hare will reflect that. It is insulated because it is a GREAT location for connections. But I would expect to see more of this as population moves out of the city proper and closer to airports with other options or leaves the area altogether. |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18): UA is not moving its HQ to Houston. Matter of fact UA might be uprooting the CO training center out of IAH as well soon. Announcement of consolidated training facility is due this winter with competition down to 3 finalist cities. |
Quoting 777ord (Reply 12): AA will expand ORD.. just wait . They already overtook UA @ LAX as the largest carrier.. and they are NOT stopping. Expect new routes from LAX announced soon. |
Quoting 777ord (Reply 12): AA will expand ORD.. just wait . They already overtook UA @ LAX as the largest carrier.. and they are NOT stopping. Expect new routes from LAX announced soon. |
Quoting 777ord (Reply 12): AA will expand ORD.. just wait |
Quoting UALFAson (Reply 27): I would even argue UA "let" AA overtake them because having a huge hub at LAX is not a priority for them with SFO just up the coast. Limited resources can be allocated elsewhere in markets where UA has a more dominant share and earn more profits. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): This is the opposite trend of other large cities around the country where young people are returning to the cities after a generation of "White Flight." |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 29): With LAX being the hub for AA, UA, DL, WN, VX, and to a certain degree, AS, I don't see how any single airline would be able to command any meaningful fare premium. Unless the largest airline reaches 2x the size of its nearest competitor, I'd say chasing LAX market share at diminishing returns is kinda like fool's gold. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25): A has spoken loud and clear re: ORD--every other hub has new products and destinations and ORD has gotten an RJ to BIS, |
Quoting 777ord (Reply 12): AA will expand ORD.. just wait . They already overtook UA @ LAX as the largest carrier.. and they are NOT stopping. Expect new routes from LAX announced soon. |
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 19): Interesting, who are the finalist cities, If IAH is one, they might still win it. |
Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 38): |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): This is the opposite trend of other large cities around the country where young people are returning to the cities after a generation of "White Flight." Chicago is not the next Detroit, but Chicago has some issues. And O'Hare will reflect that. It is insulated because it is a GREAT location for connections. But I would expect to see more of this as population moves out of the city proper and closer to airports with other options or leaves the area altogether. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 9): That's largely a case of the "white flight" phenomenon, but I don't see how that's relevant here. |
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 7): Houston could even nab HQ. |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18): Matter of fact UA might be uprooting the CO training center out of IAH as well soon. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 33): My factual claims about Chicago losing 200,000 people over the last decade are wrong huh? |
Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 39): As I understand it, IAH, DEN and Chicago are still in the running. |
Quoting COSPN (Reply 43): ORD-IND is a good example adding 2 A319 and dumping 2 RJ turns so will be 8 flights in stead of 10 Rjs kinda makes sense |
Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 42): Newer southern cities gain population from square miles that were annexed and built up, while LA's gains are mostly immigration related. |
Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 42): The reason to pretend to keep IAH in the running is to keep the people there (and the entire Continental was the Greatest Ever contingent) concentrating on their jobs. |
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 46): Factually wrong. There is a lot more at play than just annexation. |
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 46): Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 42): Newer southern cities gain population from square miles that were annexed and built up, while LA's gains are mostly immigration related. Factually wrong. There is a lot more at play than just annexation. Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 42): The reason to pretend to keep IAH in the running is to keep the people there (and the entire Continental was the Greatest Ever contingent) concentrating on their jobs. Correct. The ironic thing is in lieu of United's shoddy service and reputation. ..Houston has had the largest growth in air travel ever; particularly from other carriers. Houstonians no longer are as faithful to CO/UA. I get the Chicago pride, great town 'clap-clap pat on the back' but let's be real here...Chiraq is not the utopia you guys are trying to spin it as. |