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China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:04 pm

Something different.....


Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation at the Zhuhai Airshow says it has signed a deal with unamed US airline for 20 19-seat Y-12 aircraft.

The Y-12F model is powered by P&WC engine along with cockpit designed by Honeywell and received FAA certification in 1995.

The aircraft will be based in Las Vegas and operate primary on tour and charter services per the manufacturer.


US deal in Zhuhai Airshow puts China planes on world map
http://www.scmp.com/business/china-b...irshow-puts-china-planes-world-map

Chinese aircraft maker HAIG gets US order
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-s...206&MainCatID=12&id=20141113000006

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So who is the airline ? Vision or Grand Canyon Airlines?

I wonder in the long run if an affordable Y-12 might be an option for other US operators, particularly those in the EAS segment?


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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:35 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
I wonder in the long run if an affordable Y-12 might be an option for other US operators, particularly those in the EAS segment?

Is there anything else in that size sector still being built anymore? I know there's suggestions that you could order EMB120s in bulk, but its not much use if you want one.

I'm sure its *an* option, but really more due to being forced by lack of other options.
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:03 am

Not bad looking plane. Reminds me of Do228.
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:27 am

Even though LET is not so visible with its L-410, Thousands have been built and many are still flying in Russia, Africa and Latin America. Many versions from civil to research and military. Of course the plane is old school but a work horse. Unfortunately many African and South American operators are lax with safety and a high number of crashes is visible when checking this type. Some might quickly judge the machine... At the moment, the current modernized version is selling quite well.

LET has been working hard on the "update" of its L-410. The new version is dubbed the L-410-NG. The prototype has a completely redesigned set of wings. We will see modern avionics, a modified fuselage and new engines. 66% of the new machine design and "looks" will be derived from the latest/current version produced: The L-410UVP-E20.

New generation M601 engines will replace the current General Electric H80. The engine power is about 10% higher with 5% less fuel consumption. Newly designed five-blade propellers will be used.

LET cooperated with EVEKTOR in the design and testing of the new wings (designed for app 20,000 flight hours). The re-designed wings will be significantly larger and will include fuel tanks. The option of adding wing tip tanks is available. As a result, the tank capacity increases from 990 kg to 2050 kg and 2,450 kg. The range upped from 1,430 km to 2,500 km+ and maximum flight duration doubled from 4.5 to 9 hours.

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Note. Evektor is a major name in the US when it comes to small private sports planes and gliders. Now they're finalizing tests on their beautiful brand new Evektor EV-55-Outback. A 9 pax seat commuter. Seems that Malaysia decided to invest a large amount in the company only several months back. www.evektor.cz

The L-410-NG's nose was lengthened and the plane's chassis was reinforced so that the maximum take-off weight increased to 7 tons. The passenger capacity is unchanged (19 people). The rear cargo hold area will be noticeably bigger. This was done in cooperation with Aero Vodochody, the Czech manufacturer of the L-159-ALCA light combat and training jet fighter (already working on their own all new L-169 jet fighter). An impressive small company that manufactures parts and helps with design and research as well. It currently manufactures for the CSeries, Sikorsky helicopters, Embraer 170/190, an important partner for Embraer's KC390 military plane. Furtheron the A-320, F-18s, Black hawk helicopters, JAS 39 Gripen and C27 Spartan... www.aero.cz

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The prototype is ready and should start flight testing in Q 2015. Both LET and Evektor are eyes Asia, Australia and territories they were not able to serve due to the older generation L-410s... www.let.cz

[Edited 2014-11-14 17:19:09]
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 1):
Is there anything else in that size sector still being built anymore?

Yes, Viking is building the DHC-6-400:

http://www.vikingair.com
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 1):
Is there anything else in that size sector still being built anymore?

I think RUAG is still making/offering a Dornier 228NG?
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:06 am

One minor point...
I can't believe that this plane has been ordered by a flight seeing airline. Just look at how widely spaced the windows are, and how few of them there are! They also look fairly small.
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:44 pm

What is the price point on this machine?
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:54 pm

Maybe Great Lakes talked the company into a fniancing deal...
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:07 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):
I can't believe that this plane has been ordered by a flight seeing airline. Just look at how widely spaced the windows are, and how few of them there are! They also look fairly small.

If you look at photos of previous versions, they had huge windows and the plane looks not unlike a Twin Otter.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Zhuha...d=8936fd594fa3d144041f0042fe2a59fb

Also, they may have enlarged windows for sightseeing, as was done with the Twin Otter Vistaliners.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Sceni...d=2f702f566fc767403628e35ba3998eb7
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:10 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):
I can't believe that this plane has been ordered by a flight seeing airline. Just look at how widely spaced the windows are, and how few of them there are! They also look fairly small.

That's exaclty what I thought! Let's hope for the tourist that they will use different windows for these airframes. Otherwise the pilot will be the only one to have a "scenic flight"
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:57 pm

GippsAero from Australia (subsidiary of Mahindra Aerospace of India) is offering the GA-18 Airvan a remake of
the GAF Nomad which is supposed to enter production very soon (it was supposed to be in 2014).

PT Dirgantara Indonesia is still producing the Casa 212-200 (under the denomination NC-212-200) and the
212-400. Also they will offer a new aircraft, the N212 which is supposed to be available from 2015 according
AIN Online (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-air-transport-perspective/2014-02-12/stol-transport-indonesia-fly-next-year).

PZL-Mielec from Poland (a subsidiary of United Technologies/Sikorsky) is offering the Skytruck.

Even if it is smaller (14 pax), the Cessna 406 will be relaunch. Continental Motors Group from USA (subsidiary of Avic of China) will collaborate with ASI of France to produce an upgrade versin of the aircraft with either turboprop or diesel engine.
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:31 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 10):
That's exaclty what I thought! Let's hope for the tourist that they will use different windows for these airframes. Otherwise the pilot will be the only one to have a "scenic flight"

Depends on the airline really, some of them are really more of a shuttle to GCN to land and do the tour on the ground once you get there.

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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:47 pm

According to Jet Brokers Europe (www.jetbrokerseurope.com/news/21858.html)
(Aviation News Item: 21858 22nd Sep 2011: China Touts Y12F As Twin Otter Alternate -Source: aviationweek.com),
the Harbin Y-12F has a cabin interior with a height of 1,8m (6 feet) and a width of 1.9m (6feet 2 inches).
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:16 pm

Congrats to Harbin. IIRC, I think this is their first sale of the Y-12F. Does anybody know if its pressurized?
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
Does anybody know if its pressurized?

It is not pressurized.
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:47 pm

Could it be https://www.capeair.com/ ??? Seems a litle bit large, but an unpressurized prop could be interesting to them.

But I guess it is too large for CapeAir. What do you think?
 
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:51 pm

The windows installed in the dash 6's for sight seeing are all aftermarket STC's, they are not factory installed. I do not know if there are multiple vendors, but i do know grand canyon creates there own STC for them. So if it is a tour company, I would not really look into the windows being small as being too much of a problem.
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RE: China Sells Y-12 Prop To US Airline

Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The Y-12F model is powered by P&WC engine along with cockpit designed by Honeywell and received FAA certification in 1995.

Last I heard is that they were still working on FAA cert. for the F model because it had new wings and engines.
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