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Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:55 am

Can the new A321NEOLR fly non-stop from Rio and São Paulo to Miami, Orlando and New York?
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:47 am

Even if it could, that's not the point. These are not thin routes that require smaller aircraft to be operated. If anything the NEOLR could be useful to fly CNF, BSB, SSA, REC and the like to the USA.
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:49 am

Quoting rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
Even if it could, that's not the point. These are not thin routes that require smaller aircraft to be operated. If anything the NEOLR could be useful to fly CNF, BSB, SSA, REC and the like to the USA.

theoricaly, let

Quoting rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
Even if it could, that's not the point. These are not thin routes that require smaller aircraft to be operated. If anything the NEOLR could be useful to fly CNF, BSB, SSA, REC and the like to the USA.

Theoricaly, let´s remember Gol fly Florida with 737-800 making 1 stop. I thing this plane could be used by smaler airlines wanting to enter the international arena.
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:49 pm

Quoting LPSHOBBY (Thread starter):
Can the new A321NEOLR fly non-stop from Rio and São Paulo to Miami, Orlando and New York?

No, no, and most definately no.

A321neoLR usable range is 3900 nm. (still air, great circle routing)

GIG-MIA is 3617 nm. (too tight with the winds and non optimal ATC routings)
GIG-MCO is even longer at 3773 nm. No go for same reasons listed.
GIG-JFK is 4159 nm. Definate No go.

Shortest route you listed is GRU-MIA, at 3539 nm, that one might work, but even then, as was said above, what's the point ! We are not talking about a long and thin route here.

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[Edited 2014-11-19 04:51:58]
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:55 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 3):

Well, then what about a 757?   
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 4):
Well, then what about a 757?

Beat me to it!
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:23 pm

aah - this week's the 321neoLR isn't a true and perfect 757 replacement thread....

I suggest to wait until
- there is a decision on ATO for the LR
- the final specs are out

and btw Airbus estimates that about 40 (! or 4%) of all current 757's are flying TATL/ranges towards the max possible...

[Edited 2014-11-19 06:28:39]
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:28 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 4):
Well, then what about a 757?

According to Kiran Rao, EVP sales and marketing for Airbus, the A321neoLR will have a range of 3,900nm, or about 100nm more than the operational range of the 757-200W.

Therefore, apart from GRU-MIA, which is borderline for the A321neo/B757, the answer is no.

The longest year round B752 flight is ATL-BRA, 3542 nm. That's pretty much the limit for the 757, and shorter than all GIG/GRU flights to the US, except the one I listed above.

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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:48 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
The longest year round B752 flight is ATL-BRA, 3542 nm

With this metric you are saying that GIG-MIA (less than 100 nm longer) is feasible for the 321NLR?

But, seriously, we should speak about loads, and in particular, fish in the hold...   

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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:55 pm

Why not have Airbus extend range of this 'neo' 321LR to 5,000nm so it can reach secondary southern cone markets, like POA, MVD, CWB, COR and MDZ non-stop from key North American hubs like CLT, ATL, IAD and PHL?

There must be some sort of market for those routes...

How difficult would it be to extend the 321neo LR range, without any sort of weight, capacity or cost compromise?
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:58 pm

Realistically, no.

Fortunately, the market can support a much larger aircraft. In December, there will be 2x JJ 77W and 3x AA 77W, plus 1x AA 763 MIA- VCP, 1x AD 332 FLL-VCP, 1x G3 738 MIA-SDQ-GRU, plus a myriad of connection opportunities on AA, AV, CM, JJ, and LA via BOG, BSB, LIM, and MAO.
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
The longest year round B752 flight is ATL-BRA, 3542 nm. That's pretty much the limit for the 757, and shorter than all GIG/GRU flights to the US, except the one I listed above.

Mexicana used to fly for years a daily round-trip from CUN to EZE (3,710 nm) with a packed 757-200...

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[Edited 2014-11-19 10:18:32]
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:51 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 8):
But, seriously, we should speak about loads

Right! The A321neoR could fly GIG/GRU to MIA easily - with no payload. Could the aircraft fly that route with full payload? No, never ever!
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:58 pm

Not meaning to hijack the thread but what about BSB/CNF to the US?
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:54 pm

Quoting LPSHOBBY (Reply 2):

Theoricaly, let´s remember Gol fly Florida with 737-800 making 1 stop. I thing this plane could be used by smaler airlines wanting to enter the international arena.

Seeing a GOL 738 at a jet-bridge in Concourse H took my breath away several weeks ago when I flew in on DL's JFK-MIA flight. I was not aware that there was a stop -- and assumed the 738 had flown non-stop.  
 
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 9):
Why not have Airbus extend range of this 'neo' 321LR to 5,000nm so

Only if it was that easy...... That is a major reengineering effort that might as well be a blank sheet project.
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:10 pm

what about BOG -MIA ??? currently AV uses all there A321 on local routes due to the poor performance of the A321 in the high altitudes of Bogota , but perfect for such a high demands routes like medellin , cali and cartagena .
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RE: Can The A321NEOLR Fly GIG/GRU To MIA?

Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:25 am

Quoting rg787 (Reply 13):
Not meaning to hijack the thread but what about BSB/CNF to the US?

MIA-BSB is already served by AA with a 757, so I would assume the A321neoLR should be able to do it, too. Not sure about CNF.

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 16):
what about BOG -MIA ??? currently AV uses all there A321 on local routes due to the poor performance of the A321 in the high altitudes of Bogota , but perfect for such a high demands routes like medellin , cali and cartagena .

Do they have the earlier, less capable A321s? I would be surprised if the A321neoLR couldn't fly MIA-BOG with a reasonable payload.

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