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Air France's A318s

Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:59 pm

Air France is the largest operator of the type with 18 in service. Not many airlines ordered or operated the A318 since it is not that efficient or economical due to its large frame weight for such a small number of seats. Has AF stated what they plan on doing with the baby buses? Once the Sharklet retrofit becomes available in 2015 will Air France equip them with Sharklets? I've heard the seats onboard are rather cheap as well. If they plan on operating the A318 for years to come they should install new seats at least.

I personally love the A318, and hope that they will remain in service for a while longer.

Any insight is appreciated!
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:32 pm

I don´t have the answers to your questions. Nevertheless I think that Air France is doing their best to squeeze out the maximum of each A318. The aircraft are configured with 131 seats each - only 11 seats fewer than their A319s. What was the original plan of Air France for their A318s? Replacement of the remaining Boeing 737s?

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RE: Air France's A318s

Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:38 pm

Hard to believe that the A318's from Frontier were scrapped. I know there are still a few running around in South America but it never was a really financially viable airplane. BA has made about the best use of it that I can recall with their all business class to New York.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:40 pm

The can be sold on as bizjets.
Changing the software to allow for steep approaches.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:59 am

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
What was the original plan of Air France for their A318s? Replacement of the remaining Boeing 737s?

Yes, Air France ordered them to replace their Boeing 757-500s which flew from the early 90s till 2007. The first A318 arrived in the fleet in 2003. I saw the A318 on a demo flight at the Paris Air Show.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:50 am

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
I personally love the A318, and hope that they will remain in service for a while longer.

We were actually scheduled to fly on one this summer and at the last moment it was substituted by an A321...the same A321 we'd taken three days earlier. But I remember pulling into a terminal at CDG next to F-GIGI and having a little smirk at the reg. A cute little reg for a cute little A318.  
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:02 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:07 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 2):
Hard to believe that the A318's from Frontier were scrapped.

When Frontier first signed for and received the A318, oil was under $30 a barrel. When Frontier got rid the the A318s oil was about $110 a barrel.

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:16 am

I really want to fly on an Air France A318... Never been on one and only ever seen the corporate version in all my spotting time!
A British Airways one would be even better, but realistically Air France is more in my price range, lol.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:07 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 8):
A British Airways one would be even better, but realistically Air France is more in my price range, lol.

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:39 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 8):
A British Airways one would be even better, but realistically Air France is more in my price range, lol.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:28 am

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 3):
Changing the software to allow for steep approaches.

It that's the case, could AF use the 318's into LCY ?
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:46 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 11):
CDG - FRA is a guaranteed A318 route. All flights with A318.

Actually, Hop is flying this route now...  

If you want to fly a 318, you should fly routes like

CDG-ZRH
CDG-BLQ
CDG-FRZ
CDG-BES

Those routes are mainly A318 (close to 100%) !  

Some services to CPH, HAM, VCE, WAW, BCN, ... Can also be flown from time to time on A318.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:47 am

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
Air France's A318s

I regulary have the pleasure on AF between DUS and CDG so wrapped to have some babybus sectors under my belt. what really sucks is that AF use the same safety Card as on the 319, so they kinda suck as a souvenier "that accidentally got stuck in the Magazine you took off board"
it may only be an Impression, but after hundreds of A32X flights, I always feel the babybus is a little more bumpy in turbulence. but that may be just an Impression! I love the A318, infact I have always had a Thing for the shortened Versions on everything and am a total fan of 318´s, 736,747SP,A342 and 345! short can be so sexy  
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 13):
I always feel the babybus is a little more bumpy in turbulence.

I believe it's to do with the short fuselage/larger tail combo. Same applies to the 737-600.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
When Frontier first signed for and received the A318, oil was under $30 a barrel. When Frontier got rid the the A318s oil was about $110 a barrel

Didn't Frontier only have 114 seats in their A318? 126 seats might have been more useful.

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:29 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 15):
Didn't Frontier only have 114 seats in their A318?

IIRC, at a later stage they had 120 seats (compared to 138 seats in their A319s).

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 3):
Yes, Air France ordered them to replace their Boeing 757-500s which flew from the early 90s till 2007.

Thank you.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 2):
I know there are still a few running around in South America but it never was a really financially viable airplane.

Avianca/Avianca Brazil both operate a total fleet of 25 A318s and I think that no other airline was really interested to take these aircraft but they allowed Avianca to replace Fokker 100s.

If the numbers are correct, only 49 A318s are in active passenger-service:

Air France (18)
Avianca (10)
Avianca Brazil (15)
British Airways (2), for ops from and to LCY with 32 seats only
TAROM (4)

Other sources say that Air France operates 20 318s. What is the correct number?
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:43 pm

IMO they will be operated until they are ready for the scrapyard. The a/c are likely fully paid for already, they offer commonality to the rest of the fleet, and with the slimline seats they now seat 131 pax which is not bad at all. It surely not a profit king but probably pays for itself. The biggest risk I see for the A318 would be a major reshuffling of their short haul ops, as they tried to do with Transavia.

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
If they plan on operating the A318 for years to come they should install new seats at least.

AFAIK they already have new seats, though the new razor-thin slimline seats can indeed look "cheap".

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
Once the Sharklet retrofit becomes available in 2015 will Air France equip them with Sharklets?

Depends on how many more years they'll stay around to pay off the investment. If they stay another 5 years after that, sure. But I doubt it.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:44 pm

I was lucky to get to ride on one of these A318s in May 2014 - FLR to CDG. Man, can this aircraft rocket off a runway. Holy smokes, it was pretty amazing. I hope everyone get s chance to rise on one. It was an unforgettable, fun experience for this enthusiast.

Funny, too, it looks so small on the outside, but the inside seems rather large.

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:51 pm

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 12):

CDG-DUS is 100% A318; or at least it used to be.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:32 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 14):

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 13):
I always feel the babybus is a little more bumpy in turbulence.

I believe it's to do with the short fuselage/larger tail combo. Same applies to the 737-600.

The degree of turbulence felt inside the aircraft has to do with wing loading. The ride on a lightly loaded wing will feel rougher than another wing heavily loaded in the same conditions. The ride of the 318 will feel rougher than it's larger siblings since it has essentially the same wing.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:47 pm

Quoting MD80 (Reply 16):
Air France (18)
Avianca (10)
Avianca Brazil (15)
British Airways (2), for ops from and to LCY with 32 seats only
TAROM (4)

I don't think Airbus will make an A318NEO given the poor sales figures of the current A318, when compared to its narrow body siblings. I know Boeing won't make a 737-6MAX, because the 737-600 wasn't very successful.
So Air france and British Airways are the only two airlines in the world flying all four Airbus single aisle models: A318, A319, A320 and A321. I believe that Iberia also was interested in adding the A318 to its fleet but I'm not sure about that, they never ordered any.

Quoting MD80 (Reply 16):
Other sources say that Air France operates 20 318s. What is the correct number?

Maybe they ordered 20 but took delivery of only 18 of them. I imagine.

Once Airbus closes the A320OEO production line, that's it. They will no longer offer the A318.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 21):
I believe that Iberia also was interested in adding the A318 to its fleet but I'm not sure about that, they never ordered any.

IIRC, Iberia once ordered 15 A318s as part of a major order to replace their MD-87/-88s and Boeing 757s but the order for A318s was switched to other variants of the A320-family.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 21):
I don't think Airbus will make an A318NEO given the poor sales figures of the current A318, when compared to its narrow body siblings.

It is quiet interesting to look at old articles about the A318. The expectations for this version were rather high and many airlines were mentioned as customers, for example Lufthansa with 15 aircraft. The original order by British Airways for 12 A318s + 12 options was later modified for bigger versions.

A huge blow was probably the cancellation of the big order placed by TWA for 50 A318s.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 17):
The biggest risk I see for the A318 would be a major reshuffling of their short haul ops, as they tried to do with Transavia.

This came also into my mind! The changes could have an impact at the lower end of Air France short haul mainline-services and I think that many flights could be operated by either larger A319/320s at lower costs or big regional-jets alongside transferred routes which are served by Transavia etc. at lower costs.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:01 pm

I don't think it can be that difficult making money with an A318 with 131 seats. Fewer seats than the A319, but also less fuel burn. Especially if the aircraft is owned and paid for already. I predict they will stay operational for a while longer.

Would be fun if some London City start-up company bought all the A318s they could get hands on, converted them all to steep approach configuration. But that's just fantasy. Stranger things have happened before though.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 23):
...but also less fuel burn.

Are there any reliable numbers to have a better imagination?

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:59 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 23):
I don't think it can be that difficult making money with an A318 with 131 seats. Fewer seats than the A319, but also less fuel burn.

It isn't that much less fuel to burn.

Sean Menke, when he was CEO of Frontier, said that the difference between break-even on the A318 and break-even on the A320 was eight seats.

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:10 pm

Hi! How are You? I always like the A318, it is a very cute aircraft and If I would start a small regional airline, I would consider seriously to buy one, I like Embraer also though. When I think about the Airbus 318, the Baby Airbus, I think about the Team at Airbus working to bring the aircraft to certification and to the market, all those hours working in dedication to have a very good aircraft and to design it and all the intangibles, I do not know if those in that Team is or were very discouraged about that issue of sales and interests and the Executives of Airbus too. It is a shame though that this Aircraft did not succeed and being more Popular, I agree with the one who says that it compares a bit with the Boeing 737-600(not a lot of them compare to its twin(almost) 737-500). Thanks for reading and take good care all of You and be safe. Au Revoir!
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:23 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
We were actually scheduled to fly on one this summer and at the last moment it was substituted by an A321...t

The same thing has happened to me...twice! Once on CDG-BCN with AF, and once on SCL-LSC with LA. In both cases it was replaced by an A319, to my dismay (and the indifference of everybody else, of course).
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:03 pm

Those little pieces of crap. Flying on AF's is akin to a torture device from the mid evil times. Now I have also flown on BA's and that was wonderful. Better food, better seating, better people, longer flight unfortunately.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:22 pm

Quoting chrcaremanav (Reply 26):
When I think about the Airbus 318, the Baby Airbus, I think about the Team at Airbus working to bring the aircraft to certification and to the market, all those hours working in dedication to have a very good aircraft and to design it and all the intangibles, I do not know if those in that Team is or were very discouraged about that issue of sales and interests and the Executives of Airbus too.

Hello back!  

When I think of the Airbus A318, it was a hastened reaction to the Boeing 717 after the AE316 and AE317-concepts went to nothing and thus the A319M5 was presented. It´s long ago but I think that the decision of ValuJet against the A319 (which was considered as the absolute favorite aircraft before ValuJet again looked at the economics and the Fokker 100 and MD-95).

Nevertheless, I am quiet sure that employees at an manufacturer always spend many, many hours dedicated into an aircraft and the media/press praised the A318 as a very good solution for many operators of the A320-family. German press claimed the A318 to be a huge success even before her first flight and the same source wrote about the Boeing 717 shortly after entering service, that this type now "needs to show that expectations of customers are fulfilled" or something like that. It´s difficult for me to explain in English but in German-language there were "lines between the sentences" and a general approach of "A318 = success". I collected all these articles because of my interest in the Boeing 717. In later years, the lack of orders was explained due to the events of 9/11 and the resulting cancellations. Most A318-orders weren´t really cancelled but changed to bigger versions of the A320-family.

Quoting chrcaremanav (Reply 26):
I agree with the one who says that it compares a bit with the Boeing 737-600(not a lot of them compare to its twin(almost) 737-500)

IMO the 737-500 was far better suited for typical short haul missions compared to the 737-600 or A318.

Quoting chrcaremanav (Reply 26):
If I would start a small regional airline, I would consider seriously to buy one, I like Embraer also though.

I would order the Boeing 717 and we could agree for an interlining  .

Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):
Those little pieces of crap. Flying on AF's is akin to a torture device from the mid evil times. Now I have also flown on BA's and that was wonderful. Better food, better seating, better people, longer flight unfortunately.

I think that´s a little bit unfair to compare the A318s of Air France with those of British Airways. Air France are using them on ordinary routes with normal seating (131 seats) while British Airways uses them as 32-seater.  

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:29 pm

I fly on the AF 318's quite frequently. Really there is no noticable difference from any other A3x unless you look behind you. The slimline seats look cheap though.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:39 pm

Quoting MD80 (Reply 29):

I think that´s a little bit unfair to compare the A318s of Air France with those of British Airways. Air France are using them on ordinary routes with normal seating (131 seats) while British Airways used them as 32-seater.

Yes, I know there is a bit of a difference in their planes and that BA uses them as a niche aircraft. I was just comparing the two airlines and how perception is taken by one person over another.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:39 pm

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 12):
CDG-BES

Those routes are mainly A318 (close to 100%) !

I flew the A318 on that route. Compared to many regional aircraft on PAR-BES, it surely is something else. I have family in Brest and going there from Paris a dozen times has been a great opportunity to experience many aircraft : CRJ-100, CRJ-700, CRJ-1000, Fokker 100, E-190, and A318, on top of the usual A319 and A320 !
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:53 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6):
- I think you mean F-GUGI.

Looked back through my records and...yes... F-GUGI.
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:29 am

AF uses all members of the A320 family on GVA-CDG depending on the time of day and day of week. Most days 3 of their 8 daily flights are A318s and most of the rest are A321s, plus one or two A320s or A319s.

I've been on a couple of 4-sector AF trips in Europe from GVA involving all 4 models. I've never noticed any difference between them as a passenger except for the varying cabin lengths.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:43 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):

I've been on a couple of 4-sector AF trips in Europe from GVA involving all 4 models. I've never noticed any difference between them as a passenger except for the varying cabin lengths.

I have not noticed any difference at all with the A318/319/320/321. Most of the ones I have flown have been in North America and not in Europe except for the BA A318 to JFK and the A318 I flew on a year ago on AF.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:42 am

I have flown on the AF's A318 too many times that I care to count. I hate them! The seats are very uncomfortable, feels and looks like they belong on a municipal bus. Smaller arm rests and the seats don't recline.
Initially AF said it was only for the domestic market and that the change of seating was the result of an intense Customer Survey blah blah blah... I say BS.
Especially disappointing when you fly business class and get a seat less comfortable than Ryanair!!
I have also flown the A318 on Tarom and on Avianca... and no complaints there.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:51 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 17):
Other sources say that Air France operates 20 318s. What is the correct number?

Air France has 18 A318. F-GUGA to F-GUGR

Quoting Yakflyer (Reply 20):
CDG-DUS is 100% A318; or at least it used to be.

As of nov 1st, Hop has been flying this route now! So no more A318 coming in in DDorf!  
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 13):
I regulary have the pleasure on AF between DUS and CDG so wrapped to have some babybus sectors under my belt.
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 19):

CDG-DUS is 100% A318; or at least it used to be.

At least according to slot filings, DUS-CDG appears to change to Cityjet Avro RJ85s in 2015.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:26 am

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 37):
Quoting Yakflyer (Reply 20):CDG-DUS is 100% A318; or at least it used to be. As of nov 1st, Hop has been flying this route now! So no more A318 coming in in DDorf!

Are you sure? I checked the AF website and in December it has the A318 as equipment. I always enjoyed the A318 on the DUS-CDG route. What will Hop! be using on the route?
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:17 am

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 39):
Are you sure? I checked the AF website and in December it has the A318 as equipment. I always enjoyed the A318 on the DUS-CDG route. What will Hop! be using on the route?

Actually, you're right!  
I'm an AF A320 pilot, and we've heard that we were supposed to drop out the DUS route for Cityjet. But i've just checked, and we're still sending our A318 to DUS! At least till january for the moment!  

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 40):
Actually, you're right!
I'm an AF A320 pilot, and we've heard that we were supposed to drop out the DUS route for Cityjet. But i've just checked, and we're still sending our A318 to DUS! At least till january for the moment!

thats good News, although, to be fair, I dont mind 4 holed hairdriers either (whoops, sorry, Avro´s of course) 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:40 am

My parents recently flew CDG>Lisbon>CDG on an AF A318 and they said that a) they liked the fact that the seats didn't recline (as it was a tight fit) and b) the plane was bouncing all over the place in mild turbulence across the Bay of Biscay, on approach to Portela Aiport (okay, that is normal anyway) and on the way back into CDG... I did wonder if it had something to do with the aircraft's relative size and wing/tail proportions...
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:17 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 10):

I've already flown CDG-FRA twice this year with a mix of A318 and A319

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 12):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 19):

DUS is 100% A318.
I've flown the route something like 15 times between last year and this year and there was one exception : I've had an A321 once.

The A318 is also sometimes used to VIE and LIS
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:22 pm

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 40):
Actually, you're right!
I'm an AF A320 pilot, and we've heard that we were supposed to drop out the DUS route for Cityjet. But i've just checked, and we're still sending our A318 to DUS! At least till january for the moment!

I'm still surprise. I always thought DUS was an important station from AF. They do the CDG route 5-6 times a day and 2 dailies to LYS if I'm not mistaken. I'm taken the flight both to connect to AF longhaul and for quick trips to Paris. The fares are reasonable if booked in advanced. As others have stated the entire A320 family is a real pleasure to fly. For the quick hops over to CDG I don't mind the slimline seats and not bothered they don#t recline either. I guess the important part is DUS keeps the frequencies.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:33 pm

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 44):
I'm still surprise. I always thought DUS was an important station from AF. They do the CDG route 5-6 times a day and 2 dailies to LYS if I'm not mistaken. I'm taken the flight both to connect to AF longhaul and for quick trips to Paris. The fares are reasonable if booked in advanced. As others have stated the entire A320 family is a real pleasure to fly. For the quick hops over to CDG I don't mind the slimline seats and not bothered they don#t recline either. I guess the important part is DUS keeps the frequencies.

I fully agree with you on that point!

The thalys might be a reason why the demand may be lower than before on this route.
In that case, that would make sense to keep the frequencies for long haul connection with smaller planes.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:05 pm

I like firm seats so the slimlines are not a problem for me, and the fact they don't recline is great, I hate when someone in front reclines !

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 40):
Actually, you're right!  
I'm an AF A320 pilot, and we've heard that we were supposed to drop out the DUS route for Cityjet. But i've just checked, and we're still sending our A318 to DUS! At least till january for the moment!  

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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 46):
Welcome to airliners.net ! You're an A320 pilot so aren't you an A318 pilot too ?

Not always the case, AFAIK. Not sure what AF's policies are, but I met an EasyJet pilot who said that they do not mix their A319 and A320 crews.
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RE: Air France's A318s

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:55 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 46):
Welcome to airliners.net ! You're an A320 pilot so aren't you an A318 pilot too ?
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Not always the case, AFAIK. Not sure what AF's policies are, but I met an EasyJet pilot who said that they do not mix their A319 and A320 crews.

AF A320 family pilots fly indifferently all types fron the 318 to the 321.
 
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RE: Air France's A318s

Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:35 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Welcome to airliners.net ! You're an A320 pilot so aren't you an A318 pilot too ?

Thanks!!  

As for AF, we fly all A/C of the A320 family! We're very lucky!  

Besides, if i'm not mistaken, I think AF is the only one airline having the 4 A/C of the A320 family in its fleet. Right?

Cheers! Have a great week!

Val

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