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UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:05 pm

UA will launch daily flights between ORD and DUB for Summer 2015. They will compete with the daily AA and 11x weekly EI services. The flights will be operated by 757-200 equipment. This follows on from the success of ORD-SNN (launched 2013) and ORD-EDI (launched 2014).

Schedule (ORD-DUB)
UA152 dep. 18:05, arr. 07:35+1

Schedule (DUB-ORD)
UA153 dep. 09:50, arr. 12:15

Now bookable on United.com. I presume press release to follow.

A few points to note:
- This is the third transatlantic 757 route by UA from ORD
- There will be up to five daily flights from Chicago to Ireland next summer
- These flights are timed to compete more or less directly with AA but will compliment the EI departure/arrival times - codeshare will be maintained between EI and UA

[Edited 2014-11-24 07:11:13]
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:11 pm

Hmmmm.. Interesting. I like the addition.

Do you have a source?
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:13 pm

Given UA and EI are kinda partners, I wonder if they would code-share on each other's service ....
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:16 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Thread starter):
They will compete with the daily AA and 11x weekly EI services. The flights will be operated by 757-200 equipment. This follows on from the success of ORD-SNN (launched 2013) and ORD-EDI (launched 2014).

With this add, how do UA's ORD-Europe services compare against AA (in terms of seats and network breadth) ?
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:20 pm

 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:05 pm

Wait, they weren't already serving this? What??

I could have sworn they already were... My mind is blown.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:07 pm

Daily 757-200 service from June 4, until August 17 (US departure)

UA152 ORD1805 – 0735+1DUB 752 D
UA153 DUB0950 – 1215ORD 752 D
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:12 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 5):
I could have sworn they already were... My mind is blown.

The EI flight has UA code on it, maybe that's what you were thinking.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 5):

Wait, they weren't already serving this? What??

I could have sworn they already were... My mind is blown.

You were probably thinking of ORD-SNN.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Will there be four united 757's in Dublin at once then?

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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:29 pm

The DUB departures will be as below.

 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:40 pm

EDI- ORD is back for a peak summer service next year, but average loads were less than 70% so I presume they'll be hoping for higher this year in competition with AA to JFK
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:56 pm

EDI-ORD loads have on average been in the 80% + region. There were one or two tech cancellations during the summer, but the route certainly hasn't been performing as badly as implied above. UA are very happy with it.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:58 pm

Great idea....but my only real concern is weight restrictions.......
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting freshside3 (Reply 13):
Great idea....but my only real concern is weight restrictions.......

Shouldn't be "too" bad. It's a good 300sm shorter than EWR-TXL.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
EDI- ORD is back for a peak summer service next year, but average loads were less than 70% so I presume they'll be hoping for higher this year in competition with AA to JFK

Where did you get this information from because I can tell you that you are flat out wrong. UA's ORD-EDI route averaged load factors during the week were in the mid 80% range while both Friday and Saturday load factors averaged in the mid 90% range. Both ORD to SNN and EDI have proven to be very successful flights for UA during the summer busy travel period which is why UA is now adding DUB to the summer flying schedule from ORD.

I think this is a great addition for UA and like someone else pointed out the departure time fits perfectly between UA's code share partner EI's flights to DUB. If this route performs as expected I can see UA placing a 763 on the route in 2016 or 2017.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:54 pm

Will they keep IAD-DUB? (unless I did not get the memo and it was eliminated previously).

What route might they pull these 757s from? Is there some other seasonal rotation that they could come from?
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:08 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 16):
Will they keep IAD-DUB? (unless I did not get the memo and it was eliminated previously).

What route might they pull these 757s from? Is there some other seasonal rotation that they could come from?

IAD-DUB is still scheduled as a 752....there is a lot of slack in the 752 fleet so should not be an issue with aircraft availability.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:12 pm

It will be a domestic flight.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:13 pm

While I'm a little disappointed with how short the season is for this flight, I'm delighted at UA continuing to show their commitment to DUB. They are now the 2nd largest transatlantic carrier ex Dublin (if you count US and AA separately which in S15 will operate the same flights as S14) with up to 4 flights a day. I can only assume their relationship with EI is helping with connections
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 18):

It will be a domestic flight.

Not really.... it's an international flight with pre-clearance.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:37 pm

No the aircraft that is being taken.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 21):
No the aircraft that is being taken

I sincerely doubt (basically I can guarantee without any hard data) that this flight will be operated by a domestic 757.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:48 pm

Are you calling me a liar? I have flown a transatlantic 757 on a domestic flight.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:50 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 23):
Are you calling me a liar? I have flown a transatlantic 757 on a domestic flight.

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm saying that ORD-DUB will not be operated by a domestic aircraft.

Unless you were trying to say that the aircraft will be taken from a domestic flight to operate the DUB flight, which is very probable. But since you didn't quote any specific response, it seemed like you were responding to the preceding comment.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:53 pm

Yes thats what I was saying  
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 25):
Yes thats what I was saying

I think the confusion lay in the fact that domestic 757's are not ETOPS certified and thus can not legally fly across the pond.

Does anyone know how many UA ETOPS 757's are not being used on TATL services and are used domestically? I know a few operate between from IAD and EWR after they arrive from Europe and are back at base to operate flights to Europe again that evening. However there are EWR-LAX and EWR-SFO flights being flown with ETOPS 757's (with PTVs).
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:34 am

Right now:

Ewr to Lax
Sfo to ewr
Sfo to ewr
Ewr to iah
Ewr to mco
Lax to ewr
Den to hnl

So 7 out of 41.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:50 am

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 23):
Are you calling me a liar? I have flown a transatlantic 757 on a domestic flight.

Sigh. Ex-CO 752 with flat bed seats (TATL config) is frequently used on domestic routes. It'll be one of those, not one of the sUA 752s with the recliners...

Quoting cipango (Reply 26):
Does anyone know how many UA ETOPS 757's are not being used on TATL services and are used domestically?

Quite a few at any given time.

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 27):
So 7 out of 41.

Yes, for example. There's a lot of slack in the 752 fleet. Plenty of opportunity for more secondary long and thin routes.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:57 am

There's still some issues that could make this flight non precleared so UA has asked it be gated at T5 for now on the arrival.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:59 am

There are 41 sCO ETOPS 752 international units. Right now UA is flying a bit more than half TATL each day.
- 3 TATL out of IAD (DUB, MAN,LHR)
- 19TATL out of EWR (ARN, OSL, TXL, HAM, BCN, MAD, LIS, CDG-2, AMS, LHR-2, BHM, MAN, EDI, GLA, BFS, DUB, SNN).
Some of the above are not flown daily, meaning there are fewer than 22 units required at this time.

There is quite a bit of upside potential for more TATL flights with the sCO 752. Doubling up seasonally on some markets and adding seasonal service can easily be done with maybe another 10 units.

There are currently 9 sUA ETOPS 752s, but they mostly fly Hawaii service. These units have standard domestic F class seats.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:17 am

Speaking of Ireland.....isn't it time somebody put a Cork trip on to the USA??
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:21 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 26):
Does anyone know how many UA ETOPS 757's are not being used on TATL services and are used domestically?

At this very moment I count 21 lie-flat, non-PS 757-200s currently operating or scheduled to next operate international flights and 20 currently operating or scheduled to next operate domestic flights. No idea how that translates into a percentage of the fleet's time dedicated to international or domestic services – the total block time on the average international flight has to be significantly larger than the total block time on the average domestic flight.

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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:26 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 30):
a bit more than half TATL each day.

I know the question was TATL but it looks like these 752s also appear on IAH-BOG and EWR-LIM regularly as well.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:24 am

Quoting adamblang (Reply 33):

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 30):
a bit more than half TATL each day.

I know the question was TATL but it looks like these 752s also appear on IAH-BOG and EWR-LIM regularly as well.

Indeed, UA seems to start caring more about these two destinations in the wake of upgrading IAH-LIM to a true international business product via the int'l 763s. Hopefully remaining ex-CO 737s to BOG will be replaced by planes with lie flat seats as well.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting freshside3 (Reply 31):
Speaking of Ireland.....isn't it time somebody put a Cork trip on to the USA??

Short-ish runway (though longer than BRS, which did have service) may be an impediment and lack of CBP means it'd be less attractive than SNN for the large area of shared potential customers. However, there's a fair few major multinationals in Cork crying out for either TATL service or connections to DUB now.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 15):
Where did you get this information from because I can tell you that you are flat out wrong

Quite readily available online. As an example - a summer average from UK CAA stats for July
July 7500 ( inbound and outbound total) daily averages as 120 pax per flight which is 70% load on average on a 169 seater 757. August of course was unsurprisingly higher (82%), but one would hope so. You can "do the math" using the official average load figures for the whole summer season if you wish.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 36):
Quite readily available online. As an example - a summer average from UK CAA stats for July
July 7500 ( inbound and outbound total) daily averages as 120 pax per flight which is 70% load on average on a 169 seater 757. August of course was unsurprisingly higher (82%), but one would hope so. You can "do the math" using the official average load figures for the whole summer season if you wish.

That doesn't take into account the multiple tech cancellations UA suffered over the summer season which makes the averages more like 79% for July and 85% for August.
The overall average for the whole season May-Oct is around 80%. Obviously that doesn't tell you anything about how much money it made, but the fact EDI returns next year with no reductions and UA's ORD 757 transatlantic ops are being expanded to include DUB tells it's own story I think.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 36):
Quite readily available online. As an example - a summer average from UK CAA stats for July
July 7500 ( inbound and outbound total) daily averages as 120 pax per flight which is 70% load on average on a 169 seater 757. August of course was unsurprisingly higher (82%), but one would hope so. You can "do the math" using the official average load figures for the whole summer season if you wish.

I don't need to do the math I work at ORD for UA and I know what the numbers were over this past summer. The flight goes out with passengers and bags and little to no freight or mail just some COMAT from time to time. If your numbers were correct I highly doubt the flight would return with no reductions in frequency and I also highly doubt that UA would continue the experiment by launching service to DUB using a 757 as well.

Despite your wishes for UA to fail on these seasonal routes UA is doing well and continues to launch more seasonal TATL service from ORD utilizing the sCO 752's.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:18 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 38):

I am glad the route is performing well. I use EDI frequently and the more options available the better as far as I am concerned. UA has certainly been consistent in its support for a EDI over the years. Long may it continue.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:00 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 38):

What is COMAT may I ask?!
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 40):
What is COMAT may I ask?!

COmpany MATerials I believe....could be anything from aircraft parts to paperwork.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-DUB

Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 41):
COmpany MATerials I believe....could be anything from aircraft parts to paperwork.

Yes, that is the correct definition of COMAT.

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