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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 49):
PDX-STL at 1708 miles is the longest. Assuming they can operate reliably westbound with a full load in winter, there are a handful of other possible long/thin markets they might have their eye on, mostly out of Portland.

Shouldn't be a problem unless they had to use, say, SFO as an alternate.
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:27 am

Here's what Southwest ran in terms of load factor for the last 12 months available. The mid-90's load factors were only in summer, but for most of the year they have run at least around 85% or fuller. Worth noting, however, is that some of those onboard passengers are connections at MKE.

85.5% ….. sept 2013
86.8% ….. oct
72.3% ….. nov
86.3% ….. dec
76.9% ….. jan 2014
75.4% ….. feb
87.2% ….. mar
85.8% ….. apr
84.8% ….. may
95.9% ….. jun
96.1% ….. jul
96.8% ….. aug
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:28 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 49):
Does anyone know what the reliable range of the E175 is...specifically the version OO is getting?

SkyWest.com says 1700 miles. Wikipedia says 1800 nautical miles (STD version) and 2100 nautical miles (LR version). SkyWest has the LR version for the fleet operating for UA. Presumably they ordered more LRs for AS - the extra range is very important for SEA flights.

SEA-IND would be a stretch at 1866 miles. PDX-STL will be one of the longest E170/175 (ranges are similar) routes in the world, actually. There aren't many over 1250 miles.

I could easily see SEA-OMA going E175 once the rest of the fleet comes - 1368mi is a long haul in a CR7.

Also, on the fleet utilization front, could we see some additional flights to keep the fleet busy during the evenings? The planes arrive back on the West Coast at 6-7PM which allows plenty of time to add a short or even RON at an outstation and return early in the AM to SEA/PDX. BOI is getting a SkyWest MX hangar, so that might be a possibility. The PDX-STL-PDX plane will be captive to that route unless it can rotate with the SEA-MKE/OKC planes.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:33 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 52):
SkyWest.com says 1700 miles. Wikipedia says 1800 nautical miles (STD version) and 2100 nautical miles (LR version). SkyWest has the LR version for the fleet operating for UA. Presumably they ordered more LRs for AS - the extra range is very important for SEA flights.

You can chop a whole bunch of miles off of those figures if there is a large headwind, however.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:34 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 52):
The PDX-STL-PDX plane will be captive to that route unless it can rotate with the SEA-MKE/OKC planes.

IMO I wouldn't be shocked to see the E-175 show up on one or two SEA-PDX rotations to get the planes between the two stations.
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:45 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 54):
IMO I wouldn't be shocked to see the E-175 show up on one or two SEA-PDX rotations to get the planes between the two stations.

If you look at the flight schedule for these flights you can tell that all these aircraft will RON somewhere other than SEA and PDX. Looks like at least two planes will be routed through SLC. Look at alaskaair.com in August you see the first flight of the day from SLC to both PDX and SEA are operated by E175 aircraft. It makes sense as SLC is a big Skywest base with maintenance.
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:56 am

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 55):

From July I can see that SLC-PDX is going 3x daily. One of these is the new E175s.

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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:08 am

Would like to extend a hearty welcome to AS! OKC has been waiting for AS to come in and provide a direct link to the PNW. lbe surprised to see it upped to 2x/day. Looking forward to it!
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 55):
If you look at the flight schedule for these flights you can tell that all these aircraft will RON somewhere other than SEA and PDX. Looks like at least two planes will be routed through SLC. Look at alaskaair.com in August you see the first flight of the day from SLC to both PDX and SEA are operated by E175 aircraft. It makes sense as SLC is a big Skywest base with maintenance.

And the third new 175 overnights in another OO base, TUS! (Giving the SEA-TUS market 2 flights.)

And all these additional routes start in July, when the new a/c are introduced. I wouldn't be surprised to see some adjustments in some of this new flying between now and the actual release of the finalized mid-summer schedules next year.

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Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 48):
Agreed if STL is doing well for AS, they should add SAN/LAX/SJC/SLC-STL and then start using STL as the new AS middle of the country hub.  

Ha! We'll save that for a wish list thread, I could pick a lot more interesting routes if performance didn't matter. I wouldn't even mention SAN-STL if it weren't for AS having shown some willingness to get into unexpected markets like SAN-BOS/MCO even without a monopoly.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:05 pm

After my hometown OMA got AS, I started to get jealous. But now that my NEW hometown MKE is getting AS, I feel better! Maybe they'll re-open D-27 and put AS there.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 55):
It makes sense as SLC is a big Skywest base with maintenance.

Skywest is opening a maintenance facility in BOI specifically for the Ejets, so don't be too surprised to see BOI-PDX/SEA flown by these new aircraft.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:48 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 49):

Well the benefit of SEA-CLT is they'll tap into the US loyal customer base and vice versa. Considering AA/AS are partners. They could syc the schedule to time into each others banks.

US runs 4X in the summer and with AS connecting feed on the other end. A 5th flight shouldn't be a problem.

Then the rest of the year US runs 2X, then add AS into the equation and you still got a pretty good schedule on the off season
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:50 pm

So with the additional SLC-PDX flight, does that give AS 15 flights a day in SLC next summer?
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:18 pm

Quoting N353SK (Reply 61):
Skywest is opening a maintenance facility in BOI specifically for the Ejets, so don't be too surprised to see BOI-PDX/SEA flown by these new aircraft

It would be wonderful to see the BOI-SAN route upgraded (or supplemented) as well.

That market apparently does very well. I see that AS has completely re-worked that city-pair starting next March and I have a feeling this was due to requests from some big players in Idaho. (And the new schedule will be perfectly suited for a RON in Boise!) I bet those same people would love to see a nice new 175 on that route!

(Or who knows, perhaps it could be one of those markets that might eventually even see a 737...)

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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 52):
Also, on the fleet utilization front, could we see some additional flights to keep the fleet busy during the evenings? The planes arrive back on the West Coast at 6-7PM which allows plenty of time to add a short or even RON at an outstation and return early in the AM to SEA/PDX. BOI is getting a SkyWest MX hangar, so that might be a possibility. The PDX-STL-PDX plane will be captive to that route unless it can rotate with the SEA-MKE/OKC planes

They are obviously going to RON somewhere. The SEA-OKC-SEA flight 10:30a out 6:30p return chops 8 hours out of the middle of the day w/ approx. 7hrs flight time. You sure would have trouble justifying a new airframe for that short of a day.

Pretty exciting for OKC to get AS branding. I just wish they had that flight a few years back when I was doing a lot of trips to SEA.


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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 60):
After my hometown OMA got AS, I started to get jealous. But now that my NEW hometown MKE is getting AS, I feel better! Maybe they'll re-open D-27 and put AS there.

Could be, though D27 is a ground-level-boarding gate. I'd like to see 'em use a jetway gate.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 65):
They are obviously going to RON somewhere.

It's already been posted in this thread: 2 will RON in SLC, the 3rd in TUS. (Both cities are OO mx bases.)

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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:53 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 66):

I am pretty sure that is the way it will go. My bet is D42. We shall see.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:09 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 31):
These include the likes of RDU, CLT, IND, etc.

I know when NW flew IND-SEA they had no problem filling the planes. I can't remember if it was an A319 or A320. But in any case the loads were very good. I cannot believe no one has picked up the route yet. Maybe AS will eventually. But I would think it would be a better match for DL.
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:46 pm

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 68):

I am pretty sure that is the way it will go. My bet is D42. We shall see.

As was mentioned before, it all depends on who will be servicing the flight. If it's American then it's likely to leave out of the C concourse until American and US combine operations in D.

However, as I stated before, the last word that I've heard is the MKE operations won't combine until after the F9 leases have expired. After which AA/US will be looking for a "better lease deal" from MKE and still looking to pick up a 5th total gate for operations out of MKE with the move.
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 70):
the last word that I've heard is the MKE operations won't combine until after the F9 leases have expired. After which AA/US will be looking for a "better lease deal" from MKE and still looking to pick up a 5th total gate for operations out of MKE with the move.

What would they offer to make it a good deal?
 
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 54):
IMO I wouldn't be shocked to see the E-175 show up on one or two SEA-PDX rotations to get the planes between the two stations.

AS has one 737, they have had the CR7 too. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think the EMBs will fly a leg or two in this market.

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 55):
If you look at the flight schedule for these flights you can tell that all these aircraft will RON somewhere other than SEA and PDX. Looks like at least two planes will be routed through SLC. Look at alaskaair.com in August you see the first flight of the day from SLC to both PDX and SEA are operated by E175 aircraft. It makes sense as SLC is a big Skywest base with maintenance.
Quoting ANA787 (Reply 56):
From July I can see that SLC-PDX is going 3x daily. One of these is the new E175s
Quoting N353SK (Reply 61):
Skywest is opening a maintenance facility in BOI specifically for the Ejets, so don't be too surprised to see BOI-PDX/SEA flown by these new aircraft.

I was wondering about the utilization, realizing these routes would not fill an entire day for an aircraft, thanks for the info, it makes perfect sense running SEA-TUS & PDX-/SEA-SLC to RON the new aircraft, with the OO maintenance bases.

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 63):
So with the additional SLC-PDX flight, does that give AS 15 flights a day in SLC next summer?

They only have 2 gates there right? If so, that is quite a busy day at each gate. Does this mean SLC will see all 4 types flown by AAG? 737, Q400, CR7, EMB-175.

Quoting Indy (Reply 69):
I know when NW flew IND-SEA they had no problem filling the planes. I can't remember if it was an A319 or A320. But in any case the loads were very good. I cannot believe no one has picked up the route yet. Maybe AS will eventually

I would bet my last dollars that AS has IND on their radar, just couldn't tell you how close that would be.

Quoting steex (Reply 59):
Ha! We'll save that for a wish list thread, I could pick a lot more interesting routes if performance didn't matter. I wouldn't even mention SAN-STL if it weren't for AS having shown some willingness to get into unexpected markets like SAN-BOS/MCO even without a monopoly.

You are right, obviously a wish list day of fantasy airliners play. I am pretty sure I recall SanFan mentioning that SAN-STL currently only has seasonal service on WN, and SAN is a focus city for AS, so it seems a natural fit in the fantasy.
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 72):
They only have 2 gates there right? If so, that is quite a busy day at each gate. Does this mean SLC will see all 4 types flown by AAG? 737, Q400, CR7, EMB-175.

AS has 4 gates at SLC. with 15 flights per day next year, that is an average 3.75 flights per day, per gate. Room to grow for sure, but their are many others who are interested in that gate space as well at SLC. It would be interesting to know if the airport administration is nudging airlines such as WN and AS (who are sitting on gate space at the moment) to use it, or lose it.

According to the schedule it appears SLC will see all 4 aircraft types at SLC next year. Pretty cool to see the variation in a smaller AS market.
 
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Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:57 pm

So call me ignoramous. Are the new Embraers replacing the CR7's?
 
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Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:35 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 74):
So call me ignoramous. Are the new Embraers replacing the CR7's?

I believe they are complimenting them rather than replacing them  
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Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:14 pm

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the new Amazon distribution facility in Kenosha played a role in Alaska's choice of Milwaukee:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/new...283982351.html


The new Amazon.com distribution center being built in Kenosha along !-94 was one of the factors that led Alaska Airlines to add nonstop service in Milwaukee, an airline spokeswoman said.

Alaska said Tuesday it is expanding its partnership with SkyWest Airlines by adding daily nonstop service starting July 1 between Seattle and Milwaukee.

Seattle-based Amazon is developing a 1.5 million-square-foot distribution complex in Kenosha that eventually will employ more than 1,500 people. The complex is about 30 miles south of Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport.

Airline industry-watchers said Milwaukee airport officials had been actively putting word out in the air travel industry and pitching airlines about the possibility of either expanding or adding Seattle service here.

Southwest Airlines, the market share leader at Mitchell International, already flies nonstop to Seattle from Milwaukee.

Alaska Air, which has a reputation as a well-run, profitable airline, wouldn't have added the service if it didn't think it could succeed, airline industry-watchers said.

The new Amazon facility in Kenosha presumably will result in more fliers on the route.

"...It was one of a number of drivers in our decision," Bobbie Egan, spokeswoman for Alaska Airlines said in an email. "The travel patterns of our business customers definitely factor into our new market decisions. Amazon is a key client for us."


The site of the distribution center is 27 miles from MKE and only 47 miles from ORD where Alaska already flies. It's actually within the northern fringe of the official Chicago metro area though a good deal closer to Milwaukee. So Alaska already flies fairly close to this facility. But it's good to see them come to MKE.
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:35 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 74):
So call me ignoramous. Are the new Embraers replacing the CR7's?

Complimenting for now, but they only operate 7 CRJs and they are some of the oldest 700s out there, so I wouldn't be surprised if the some of the 16 options were used to replace them.
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:01 am

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 77):
but they only operate 7 CRJs and they are some of the oldest 700s out there, so I wouldn't be surprised if the some of the 16 options were used to replace them.

   I wouldn't see any reason for AS to ultimately keep both a/c in the fleet once the numbers of E-175s are adequate to cover the profitable routes they fly -- both existing and new..

Like the 737 retirements, however, IF Alaska needs the capacity in 2016, they would certainly have the option of holding on to the CRJs for a while longer while using the new a/c for additional growth...

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Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:07 am

Are there any scope issues at Alaska with how many RJs can be operated or the seat count?e
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:19 am

Quoting oosnowrat (Reply 42):
New. OO firmed up seven of its options for this deal.

Thanks for the response

Thanks for the response. Im surprised these frames

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 55):
If you look at the flight schedule for these flights you can tell that all these aircraft will RON somewhere other than SEA and PDX. Looks like at least two planes will be routed through SLC. Look at alaskaair.com in August you see the first flight of the day from SLC to both PDX and SEA are operated by E175 aircraft. It makes sense as SLC is a big Skywest base with maintenance.

So I assume we can expect to see white tail E175s on these routes when the 3 dedicated rotate through mx ?
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:29 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 79):
Are there any scope issues at Alaska with how many RJs can be operated or the seat count?e

Nope. Alaska could farm out as many 175s as they want. Or 190s. Or Airbus. Or just about anything. The only thing they currently have is some wishy washy language protecting the 737s on property and on order.
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:41 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 74):

So call me ignoramous. Are the new Embraers replacing the CR7's?

From what I read in the AS press release, was that the 175 is to compliment the CR7, each aircraft has specific missions in the AS system, with the extra range of the 175 I see more potential markets for AS from SEA or PDX.

I can see AS adding a few more dots on the AS route map with the EMBs to PDX, or switch say a SEA-OMA to an EMB, and start a PDX-OMA with a CR7 for example.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 77):
Complimenting for now, but they only operate 7 CRJs and they are some of the oldest 700s out there, so I wouldn't be surprised if the some of the 16 options were used to replace them

I think with the expansion mode AS is in currently, they are going to hang onto things for as long as is feasible. Hasn't AS kept the 734 flying going on longer than originally anticipated? I expect things would be going differently at SEA if DL wasn't building up there.
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:58 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
If a DL passenger complains about trying AS and getting put on a CRJ, they should be laughed at. "Delta" is practically synonymous with "CRJ".

That perception is way outdated. Check the fleet counts for 50-seater and smaller by DL/UA/AA. DL has the higher average gauge per departure, too.
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:03 pm

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 81):
Nope. Alaska could farm out as many 175s as they want. Or 190s. Or Airbus. Or just about anything. The only thing they currently have is some wishy washy language protecting the 737s on property and on order.

So AS pilots dont have strong flying protection in their contracts like everyone else?
 
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Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 83):
That perception is way outdated. Check the fleet counts for 50-seater and smaller by DL/UA/AA. DL has the higher average gauge per departure, too.

I was thinking more of the "CRJ" in general, as the Alaska flights are operated on the CR7. Having said that, yes, I understand that DL is retiring the smaller CRJ's as a strong clip, but the point remains that a CR7 should be fine at this stage on flights out of SLC.

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Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:00 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 76):
According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the new Amazon distribution facility in Kenosha played a role in Alaska's choice of Milwaukee:

It's a bit further of a flight, but Amazon recently opened TWO new distribution centers in Middle Tennessee and we still don't have a direct flight to Seattle from Nashville. Might have played a part, but I don't think it's as big a factor as it's being made out to be in that article.
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Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:43 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 76):
According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the new Amazon distribution facility in Kenosha played a role in Alaska's choice of Milwaukee

Interesting because the Indy area has a huge Amazon presence. I am thinking the central Indiana area has 3 or 4 distribution centers. Can't get a single SEA flight.

Just checked. Guess as of 2011 there were three in central Indiana. I think a 4th opened in 2012 in southern Indiana. But 3 in central Indiana for sure.

http://www.wthr.com/story/14597802/a...ng-3rd-indiana-distribution-center
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Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:59 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 87):
It's a bit further of a flight, but Amazon recently opened TWO new distribution centers in Middle Tennessee and we still don't have a direct flight to Seattle from Nashville. Might have played a part, but I don't think it's as big a factor as it's being made out to be in that article.
Quoting Indy (Reply 87):
Interesting because the Indy area has a huge Amazon presence. I am thinking the central Indiana area has 3 or 4 distribution centers. Can't get a single SEA flight.

There is very little traffic to SEA from Amazon FCs. I know people in the company. There are only a few top managers in each FC - the vast majority of workers are the hourly manual laborers who never travel anywhere.
 
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Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:24 am

Quoting Legend757 (Reply 73):
AS has 4 gates at SLC. with 15 flights per day next year, that is an average 3.75 flights per day, per gate. Room to grow for sure, but their are many others who are interested in that gate space as well at SLC.

Alaska uses some multi use gates. off the top of my head I think they only have 1 gate then use time at the three multi use gates. I don't think AS has a ton of room at less not at ideal times they have been very vocal about wanting more space.
 
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Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 88):

Quoting Indy (Reply 87):
It's a bit further of a flight, but Amazon recently opened TWO new distribution centers in Middle Tennessee and we still don't have a direct flight to Seattle from Nashville. Might have played a part, but I don't think it's as big a factor as it's being made out to be in that article.
Quoting Indy (Reply 87):
Interesting because the Indy area has a huge Amazon presence. I am thinking the central Indiana area has 3 or 4 distribution centers. Can't get a single SEA flight.

There is very little traffic to SEA from Amazon FCs. I know people in the company. There are only a few top managers in each FC - the vast majority of workers are the hourly manual laborers who never travel anywhere.

This is a common fallacy I see on A.net that a route is viable because a given company has facilities in each location.
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 88):
There is very little traffic to SEA from Amazon FCs. I know people in the company. There are only a few top managers in each FC - the vast majority of workers are the hourly manual laborers who never travel anywhere.

Even without Amazon, it is still a sizable unserved route. There is the O/D between IND and SEA as well as the IND-SEA-Asia traffic. Even if the Amazon contribution is small, it is still a contribution. NW filled that flight daily. No reason another carrier like AS or DL couldn't do the same.
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:35 pm

IND-DTW/ORD-Asia would be more efficient for the public.
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 91):
NW filled that flight daily. No reason another carrier like AS or DL couldn't do the same.

Wasn't IND a NW focus city at one time? They did have the advantage of a loyal FF following in both markets.
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 89):
Alaska uses some multi use gates. off the top of my head I think they only have 1 gate then use time at the three multi use gates. I don't think AS has a ton of room at less not at ideal times they have been very vocal about wanting more space.

Decembers airport board meeting is set to discuss expiring leases on some B gates that are leased and used very little until the subject came up then delta went a$$ over tea kettle to use those gates. Guess we will see what happens.
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:30 am

Quoting phxtravelboy (Reply 46):
Great news for MKE! I've been waiting for AS to serve this route. I expect this route to be upgauged to mainline within a year of service starting.

Agreed, Surprised WN hasn't tried 2x on this or LAX.

[quote=knope2001,reply=49]I'd sooner expect Delta to jump on MKE-LAX[/quote

Been hearing plenty about a 2nd carrier on MKE-LAX since at least this Spring. I would like to see it happen, but AS is a huge win for MKE!
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 91):
There is the O/D between IND and SEA as well as the IND-SEA-Asia traffic.

I honestly think DL owns the IND-Asia market thanks to the NW Heartland strategy. I'm sure a lot of folks in Indianapolis are tied to SkyMiles at this point and would prefer to fly DL IND-XXX-Asia rather than switch to a non-SkyTeam itinerary using AS over SEA.

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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:45 pm

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 95):
Agreed, Surprised WN hasn't tried 2x on this or LAX.

Wasn't MKE-LAX 2x daily during the summer?
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:33 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 97):
Quoting MKE22 (Reply 95):Agreed, Surprised WN hasn't tried 2x on this or LAX.
Wasn't MKE-LAX 2x daily during the summer?

LAX has been 2x in the summer for several years -- when it was AirTran the second flight was a red-eye and ran year-round. Since Southwest took the route over it runs the 2nd MKE-LAX trip in summer only but as a daytime flight.

AirTran did run MKE-SEA 2x/day at various times with the second flight being a red-eye, but (as with a lot of the MKE capacity back in those days) it was supported by a very large amount of connecting flow.
 
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RE: AS Announces PDX-STL,SEA-OKC/MKE

Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:43 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 96):
I'm sure a lot of folks in Indianapolis are tied to SkyMiles at this point and would prefer to fly DL IND-XXX-Asia rather than switch to a non-SkyTeam itinerary using AS over SEA.

I'm not sure why anybody would choose SEA over DTW as a connecting point unless traveling to a destinations served from SEA and not from DTW (which is probably single-digit PDEW ex-IND). DTW is a painless place to connect, and with a superior longhaul product to shorthaul in all classes, it seems to make sense for most passengers to maximize their time on the longhaul flight.
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