Qantas59
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DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:11 am

Does anyone know exactly when Delta discontinued its direct flights from BDL to Florida destinations FLL, PBI, MCO and TPA?
Thanks for any info.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:34 am

DL still offers BDL-MCO, albeit seasonally on Saturday's only.

They quit all other routes around 2012, simply because it did not make financial sense to offer a full service offering on routes that were extremely low-yielding.

I believe that BDL-MCO/TPA were twice daily, while BDL-FLL/PBI were once daily. Keep in mind that they were competing against WN on these routes, and once B6 entered the picture, DL understandably called quits. The flights performed well, load wise, but again were low yielding.

DL has always been peculiarly large in BDL. The Florida routes were originally flown by DL mainline with 757s and 767s, before shifting to DL Express, then to Song, then back to DL mainline. Recall that out of all Northeast DL Express stations outside of NYC/BOS (ALB, PVD, SYR, ISP, BDL), only BDL received Song service. At one point, around 2006/2007, they were doing BDL-ATL/CVG/JFK/MCO/TPA/FLL/PBI/CMH/SLC/LAX/LAS all on a multitude of aircraft.

A timetable from 2004/2005 timetable shows 4x 763 service (in addition to 757s/738s/MD88s) to ATL, and a 1x 763 service to CVG (in addition to 757s).

In comparison to BUF/SYR/ROC/ALB/PVD, where US was historically the largest carrier, DL has historically been the largest legacy carrier to BDL.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 1):
DL has historically been the largest legacy carrier to BDL.

Likely due to their acquisition of Northeast Airlines decades ago.
 
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:37 am

Thanks heaps USAirALB
I really appreciate that information. Nice that DL maintained and expanded on those original NE routes for so many years.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 2):
Likely due to their acquisition of Northeast Airlines decades ago.

I don't believe that's true, given that NE only had a very limited presence at BDL.
 
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:44 am

FLL used to have a TON of DL ops, including Intrafloridian DLC flights, but now all we have are all the usual culprits for Delta Fortress hubs (except for SLC-FLL-SLC, they cut that route a few years back) and oddball services to TLH and RDU on Delta Connection. As to your question regarding when the FLL station was cut, I'm not sure. Most of the Delta Sky Club agents at FLL have been there since the Lockheed era (and I'm headed there for my DL 747 trip tomorrow), so I'll ask them for the scoop.

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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:39 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):

I don't believe that's true, given that NE only had a very limited presence at BDL.

Obviously, the routes came from the NE merger, but I seem to recall a buildup of BDL, a few years after the merger.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:43 pm

Thanks for the history. BDL to Florida is controlled now by southwest and jetblue. I can't imagine delta competing against both of those two airlines on such a low yielding route to begin with.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:21 pm

Several airlines (DL, WN, B6) have flown BDL-PBI for one main reason - United Technologies. This massive company has its headquarters near Hartford and another major operation in Palm Beach County.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:23 am

At the peak, DL had 8x 199 seat Song 757s from BDL to FL

3x MCO
2x FLL
2x TPA
1x PBI

Also 2x CR7 to RSW

B6 today at BDL is still less that the peak DL/Song schedule.
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RE: DL BDL-Florida Question

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:38 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
B6 today at BDL is still less that the peak DL/Song schedule.

Yes but not by much. Tomorrow B6 is offering

MCO 3x (A320) - 450 seats
FLL 2x (A320) - 300 seats
PBI 2x (A320) - 300 seats
TPA 1x (E190) - 100 seats
RSW 1x (A320) - 150 seats

Just one less frequency, but 1,300 daily seats each way to Florida compared to DL's ~1,700 seats.

Nonetheless, DL probably wasn't filling those seats profitable - the yields on these routes suck. B6 gets a far higher average fare out of BOS and the 5 NYC airports. For example:

Q12014 B6 average fare:
BDL-TPA: 139
BDL-FLL: 169
JFK-TPA: 171
JFK-FLL: 204
LGA-TPA: 150
LGA-FLL: 200
EWR-TPA: 160
EWR-FLL: 197
BOS-TPA: 201
BOS-FLL: 236

BDL is a clear laggard compared to the other large Northeast markets. (TPA is also considerably lower yielding, although it is about 100 miles less of flying.)

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