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Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:33 pm

Hello Turkish Aviation Fans,
Happy 8th Anniversary for our "Turkish Aviation" threads. I would like to thank all of you past and present to make these threads informative, fun and free of personal attacks/politics over the years. Thank you so much for all the information we shared in these 8 years.


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Let me get things started with these few notes:
-TK to split IST-JNB/CPT next year.
-DL to start using A333 on the JFK-IST route next summer
-TK got one more 77W and one more 333 in Nov.
-Finally, this is a bit off topic and I just read this Vanity Fair article yesterday and wanted to share. You might find it interesting and very well written. It is about the AF 447 that crashed into the Atlantic 5 years ago;
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...14/10/air-france-flight-447-crash#

Welcome and Please continue here.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:05 am

I am traveling to ESB on Wednesday for business. My routing is ZRH-IST-ESB vv on TK. As I have not been to IST (actually it will be my first time travelling to Turkey) my question is now how easy it is connecting at IST from an International flight to a Domestic one and vv. As far as I can remember from various trip reports IST can be pretty congested. Does it help having a *G card for security control or immigration? - Thanks for your advices.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:33 am

From end of March DOH ESB goes 6 weekly and ESB becomes a terminator for the non-stop DOH ESB dropping BEG.
Quite a capacity increase by QR to Turkey that will do 2 daily SAW and IST as well.
Wake up call for other international carriers to eye SAW, ESB and ADB.....IST cannot accommodate anything more, can hardly deal with TK's global expansion.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Finally, this is a bit off topic and I just read this Vanity Fair article yesterday and wanted to share. You might find it interesting and very well written. It is about the AF 447 that crashed into the Atlantic 5 years ago;
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...rash#

I've read the article,I had a personal interest on this particular accident as an Airbus pilot and now as an A330 pilot.I have to say it is the most through explanation of the series of incidents I have read.Most probably written or supervised by a type rated Airbus pilot.

The rules and inventions in aviation are always written by the blood of the previous pilots.So I always wished that nobody learns anything from something that happens to me.But this accident tought us a lot of things. The dependence on automation is collapsed.Of course we still use the automation,we have to ,it is not possible maintain the same amount of vigilance for a 14 hour work day(12 hours if its night time) but now we feel that the auto stuff can leave you empty handed at the time you most needed it.We introduced (we already had but)better understandings and training of "unreliable airspeed" mulfunctions and how to fly the airplane in such cases.But ofcourse in the simulator,you are prepared and know what is going to happen,but in the middle of a all night long flight where two copilots flying together and the captain is at rest is something very hard.

Now what we do do is prepare the "unreliable airspeed" attitudes and thrust settings for evey half hour and put it somewhere handy,until the PNF takes out the QRH and checks the relevant data,menwhile PF keeps the airplane under control.Then you fly with refference attitudes and thrust settings depicted on QRH while you try the solve and correct the mlfunction,if it can be done.And as the captain I try to arrange my rest period to the least challenging part of the flight,even somethimes this means I get the most undesirable period.

Airbus philospy is not to override the pilot,it is to give him the maximum help as possible when needed.But you have to know what is going to happen next on an Airbus,that is very important,otherwise the plane takes you wherever it wants and you become the passenger with the biggest window seat...

The first rule of flying every airplane(from the smallest to biggest) is FLY THE AIRPLANE. what ever happens fly the airplane,basic instrument flying that is.Then start troubleshooting.Then make a decision.

The biggest reason behind the modern time accidents is mostly the greedy airline menagers and their stupid cost reduction decisions.What ever modern gadgets you put on flight decks,its not going to finish Cost Reduction Induced Accidents...  Sad

[Edited 2014-12-01 01:56:23]
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:39 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):

QATAR Airways from 01MAR15 is adjusting operations to Turkey and Southeastern Europe, which sees a number of routing changes. From this date, the airline will operate terminator service to Ankara, Bucharest and Budapest. 1-stop service to Belgrade remains unchanged, but will operate via Sofia instead of Ankara. The airline will also operate nonstop service to Sofia instead of 1-stop, while Zagreb service will be served as terminator flight with frequency reductions.

Until 28FEB15
5 weekly Doha – Ankara – Belgrade
1 daily Doha – Bucharest – Sofia
4 weekly Doha – Budapest
3 weekly Doha – Budapest – Zagreb
4 weekly Doha – Zagreb

effective 01MAR15
6 weekly Doha – Ankara
1 daily Doha – Bucharest
1 daily Doha – Budapest
5 weekly Doha – Sofia – Belgrade
5 weekly Doha – Zagreb
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:17 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK to split IST-JNB/CPT next year.

argggh I just flew CPT-JNB-IST, I wished they splitted earlier, do you have any idea about time of the flight both inbound/outbound ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:52 am

Any clarity yet on whether both routes will now be done with A330-300, like it currently is? Or will one of them downgrade to A330-200...or maybe mixed?

I do recall that earlier in the year Air Namibia and Turkish Airlines announced to have signed some sort of Strategic Agreement. Will this new developments perhaps open the door for Turkish to now tag-on to WDH from JNB? Or maybe other tag-ons like Durban or Maputo?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:39 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Hello Turkish Aviation Fans,

Thanks for the new thread. Happy Anniversary.
 
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
free of politics

When it is TK, this is almost impossible sometimes...

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 4):
effective 01MAR15
6 weekly Doha – Ankara

This is very nice news.

I'm sure, if bilateral permits, EK will also start DXB-ESB flights, as there is enough demand.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:53 pm

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 5):
do you have any idea about time of the flight both inbound/outbound ?

TK044 IST0115 – 1250CPT 330 D
TK045 CPT1800 – 0500+1IST 330 D

TK042 IST0050 – 1040JNB 330 D
TK043 JNB1945 – 0520+1IST 330 D

Quoting agrflyer (Reply 1):
how easy it is connecting at IST from an International flight to a Domestic one

should be pretty easy, not knowing the connection times, but IST is not a huge airport.

Quoting wing (Reply 3):
The first rule of flying every airplane(from the smallest to biggest) is FLY THE AIRPLANE

Enought said! But reading the article you get another picture.

I missed MIA by TK's Topcu. Really??
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:31 pm

Looks like another TK 77W making its delivery flight later today;
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6900
I think this is -JJU, 4th of this second batch with 49J/300Y seating
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:18 am

Wing,
thanks for your insight on the article. I loved it and read it throughly. The problem with modern day pilots, especially in Europe, is the lack of basic airmanship experience. Be careful, I didn't say basic airmanship, but basic airmanship experience. You know as well as I do, there are two schools of thought in terms of pilot training: one is the European method that puts pilots with 200 hours on the right seat of an Airbus or Boeing , the other one is taking them through many years of instruction, cargo flying and regional flying.

The PF in this case had barely 2900 hours of total time and was flying Airbus equipment when he came out of the training. The lack of understanding of how to get out of stall was the price that all those people paid with their lives.

Thank you TK787 for sharing this article.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:00 am

Increase on flights to Italy S15:

New Flight to Bari 4 weekly

Venice: 25 weekly (now 21)
Rome: 28 weekly (now 25)
Naples: 14 weekly (now 7)
Bologna: 17 weekly (now 14)
Catania and Pisa go daily
Turin (7) and Milan (28) remain the same...
Genoa down to 5 weekly
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:49 am

Does anyone know why Kathmandu flights are constantly being delayed? Is there some sort of weather issue there in the mornings? I highly doubt that it is an airplane availability issue as TK now has dozens of 330s to do the flights...
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
TK044 IST0115 – 1250CPT 330 D
TK045 CPT1800 – 0500+1IST 330 D

TK042 IST0050 – 1040JNB 330 D
TK043 JNB1945 – 0520+1IST 330 D

Nice, thanks for sharing,

Also flights to Luanda, it was announced that TK was going to fly there this summer but I guess it got postponed, do you have any news if it is ever going to start ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 12):

Due to fog in at KTM during winter time, the flights are delayed ..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:49 am

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 11):
Increase on flights to Italy S15:

New Flight to Bari 4 weekly

Venice: 25 weekly (now 21)
Rome: 28 weekly (now 25)
Naples: 14 weekly (now 7)
Bologna: 17 weekly (now 14)
Catania and Pisa go daily
Turin (7) and Milan (28) remain the same...
Genoa down to 5 weekly

Plus one daily out of SAW to VCE and FCO
I am really suprised by the capacity boost to BLQ, NAP and VCE.

Next Summer TK will inaugurate tons of flights out of SAW, and some existing routes will go double daily... will be a stiff competition for/with Pegasus......
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:07 pm

Quoting tkfan (Reply 15):
Next Summer TK will inaugurate tons of flights out of SAW

When will these be announced?

/Alex
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:43 pm

Quoting tkfan (Reply 15):

No surprise as number 1 destination among Turkish tourists is Italy and Italy is an underserved destination by many airlines in general and TK is taking advantage of this too.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:06 pm

If UA doesn't get on the EWR-IST route again I can easily see TK scheduling an EWR route next summer on short notice depending on what Aircraft they have available. A lot of the powerful Euro *A carriers have flights to EWR and JFK combined. LH/LX/OS I can think of right now.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:16 am

I guess I wasn't clear on the 8th anniversary.
Turkish Aviation threads started 8 years ago this month and I have been trying to keep it going every month since then. Here is the first thread of its kind; (interesting read   )
Turkish Aviation Thread Dec.2006 (by TK787 Dec 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)
and not to forget this one started by Stylo777 earlier in that year; Turkish Aviation Thread (by Stylo777 Jun 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2014-12-02 19:18:41]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:20 am

I was just going through the 'EK A380 routes - Where next?' thread, and came across this quote from a fellow member:

"Emirates want to serve all places with their A380, but some big challenges never allow them. Imagine a place like IST is banning the use of F class for EK, no way to allow the A380 to land their."

Firstly, should I take a skeptical approach to this statement? I didn't know such bilaterals existed where levels of service can be banned. However, if there are such restrictions, why would IST ban the use of F class for EK?

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:37 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):
I guess I wasn't clear on the 8th anniversary.
Turkish Aviation threads started 8 years ago this month and I have been trying to keep it going every month since then. Here is the first thread of its kind; (interesting read )
Turkish Aviation Thread Dec.2006 (by TK787 Dec 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)
and not to forget this one started by Stylo777 earlier in that year;
Turkish Aviation Thread (by Stylo777 Jun 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Very interesting and very funny. I see there discussions already about 787/350...
Thanks for starting the threads, i think with this regularity keeps this discussion alive...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):
and not to forget this one started by Stylo777 earlier in that year;
Turkish Aviation Thread (by Stylo777 Jun 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)

thanks TK787 for pulling that up!
quite interesting to see that we were talking about 196 registered aircraft for all Turkish airlines whereas today TK alone operates more than 230 and around 150-175 with all other carriers (PC, XQ, KK, 8Q, etc.).

not bad at all!



In other news LH agreed on a "letter of intent" with Sunexpress Germany for future longhaul operations starting in 2015. Up to 7 A330-200 will be leased and operated by XG pilots and crews to holiday destinations in Florida, the Indian Ocean and Southern Africa.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:54 pm

Any thoughts on how the BOS-IST route is performing. Is it meeting expectations? Could TK consider sending a 777-300ER or adding a 2nd daily flight in the future?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:09 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 22):
thanks TK787 for pulling that up!

my pleasure, those were the days  
Quoting georgiabill (Reply 23):
Could TK consider sending a 777-300ER or adding a 2nd daily flight in the future?

Not sure about the performance of the route, still quiet new. But BOS being the closest of the US destinations, I would imagine first a bump up to A333, if needed. In terms of 2nd flight, even JFK is struggling with 2nd, 3rd flights. Most of the IST-JFK flights are operated with A333s this winter. (2 x daily in winters). I would imagine ORD, LAX to get second daily flights when more 77Ws arrive. Again it all depends on how the soon to be opened SFO will effect the LAX flight.
As of now, 53 weekly flights between the US and Istanbul during the winter months seems like a lot of seats to fill.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:23 pm

Quoting lxa333 (Reply 18):
A lot of the powerful Euro *A carriers have flights to EWR and JFK combined. LH/LX/OS I can think of right now.

LH/LX/OS are part of the A++ JV with UA. TK is not. UA would provide TK virtually zero benefit or feed @ EWR.

Btw - TK has operated EWR before. It moved back and focused on JFK instead.

Quoting TK773 (Reply 20):
Firstly, should I take a skeptical approach to this statement? I didn't know such bilaterals existed where levels of service can be banned. However, if there are such restrictions, why would IST ban the use of F class for EK?

I don't know details, but fares certainly can be managed by bilaterals.
Anyhow, IST is not ready for A380 ops without disruptions.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:36 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25):
Anyhow, IST is not ready for A380 ops without disruptions.

What would have to be changed?

What we know, Airbus and Boeing know as well, so knowing that A380 could be difficult for IST i can imagine that Boeing can negoatiate more powerful for the B748.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 26):
What we know, Airbus and Boeing know as well, so knowing that A380 could be difficult for IST i can imagine that Boeing can negoatiate more powerful for the B748.

I agree with you, but only on a very short term basis. Soon, the new airport will be able to handle all types so I dont think any airline will be jumping at the 748 specifically to operate to/from IST just to fill a three year market.

On another note, TZX (Trabzon airport) has welcomed its first Boeing 787! (Albeit an emergency landing)

Link in Turkish:
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...-havalimanina-dreamliner-indi.html

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:04 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 26):
so knowing that A380 could be difficult for IST i can imagine that Boeing can negoatiate more powerful for the B748.

Excelent point...

Quoting TK773 (Reply 27):
any airline will be jumping at the 748 specifically to operate to/from IST just to fill a three year market.

I'm not sure about that. For the time being there is no known financial package provided to 3.Airport Project. Even officially there is no contract between DHMI and Concessioner yet, as far as newspapers report. Technical challenges of this project are also well discussed in the media recently. I'm curious how this project will finish on time.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:24 pm

Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines to launch budget long-haul next year:
http://kokpit.aero/lufthansa-thy-ortak-havayolu
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:44 am

TL news:
AGP up to 10w from June 22
OPO launched 3w from April 30
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:54 pm

BCN seems to be doing quite well, today my wife flew on TK1854 and it still operates the 33J (ex 9W) even in this off-peak days and flight was around 90%!

Good news that AGP goes up to 10w, in summer it has potential to go up to 14w without any problem, main issue there is the seasonality...

Wonder how now SCQ and OPO will fight each other... I belive that the time for a CRJ/ERJ has come, now more than ever regional jets are required... there are several thin routes which can fill an E170 but can't a 320...
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:30 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 31):
BCN seems to be doing quite well, today my wife flew on TK1854 and it still operates the 33J (ex 9W) even in this off-peak days and flight was around 90%!

Last week I flew on TK1853 (IST-BCN) on the same A332 and, to my surprise, it was more than 90% full in both classes.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 31):
Quoting UALWN (Reply 32):

TK will increase both, BCN and MAD, one daily to SAW next summer.
Seems there are not only transfer passengers but also big O&D.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:01 pm

I just bought the 737 BVB 1:500 model from Herpa, now this new A321 comes along.
What a beauty  http://www.trfleetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/TR.jpg
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
I just bought the 737 BVB 1:500 model from Herpa, now this new A321 comes along.
What a beauty

Will be interesting to see which of those two logojets will fly the team to the next champions league matches. I presume that Dortmund was not satisfied with the size of the 737, so that TK came along with the A321 solution.

Indeed, very nice scheme!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:41 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 31):
I belive that the time for a CRJ/ERJ has come, now more than ever regional jets are required... there are several thin routes which can fill an E170 but can't a 320...

Exactly! Imagine TK that had enough space to grow in IST with an additional 50-80 Ejets/Cseries... Would allow going 6-8 daily on destinations like SOF, BUD, OTP (if bilaterals allow, but isn't there open market to EU countries?). While airlines like LH or AF can have such a dense timetable, TK needs to consider its airport restrictions...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:22 am

Hello all I have been travelling around the last few weeks. Took the chance for a day trip Christmas shopping to Istanbul.

Some feedback about the IST experience. I flew with Aegean Airlines and it was a very pleasant experience. Flight was packed and since May all A3/TK offer each others flights via the codeshare. The flight was a mix of business professionals, passengers connecting onto the TK network at IST and city break tourists both Turkish and Greek.


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/A3IST1_zps49c374ac.jpg
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Upon landing in IST the transit and immigration desk areas were quiet so it made for a pleasant arrival process. Having an E Visa it allowed me to get through in a few minutes.


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One question I have is does anyone know the Reg of this former aircraft?

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/A3IST2_zps41951cdd.jpg
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Also on the return I spent a few hours at the TK lounge. Always one of my favourites. Even better now with the extension and still lots of lovely food options to indulge in.   The only thing is some of the lockers are broken so they may want to get them fixed as a lot of guests use them including myself and there were very few available.

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:42 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
One question I have is does anyone know the Reg of this former aircraft?

Cool, a convertible...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:00 pm

Tickets on that airplane are half price, I heard :P
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:41 pm

I bet smoking is allowed as well  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 24):
Quoting georgiabill (Reply 23):
Could TK consider sending a 777-300ER or adding a 2nd daily flight in the future?

Not sure about the performance of the route, still quiet new. But BOS being the closest of the US destinations, I would imagine first a bump up to A333, if needed.

Massport released October numbers a couple of weeks ago. They have a category for Middle East and they throw TK into that category with EK.

Assuming a340 was used every day on BOS-IST, TK + EK combined were at 67.8% load factor. I'm guessing TK was in the 70's and EK around 60% basing it on past October performances for other US Stations for both airlines.

A340 is supposed to go away in 2015 so I think the best thing for TK to do would be to run A333 in winter and 77W in summer. If they had 787 then double daily would make sense.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:46 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 38):
Cool, a convertible...

Indeed some interesting wrecks at IST. Always good for something different including spotting. First time seeing this too:

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/DSC06060_zpsfffcf05d.jpg
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
Indeed some interesting wrecks at IST. Always good for something different including spotting. First time seeing this too:

which airline is this?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:40 pm

i saw an interview of Topcu and accordingly, there will be wb orders soon. 777x,787 and 350 are considered. he says 6 ulh for shirt term and 12 for long term is needed. my wishlist:
25 A 350 (replacement of 340 And 332s)
15 788 : for latam and new us cities expansion
5 789 : for sydney non stop flights
10 777-9x : for growth and replacement if first 77w (perhaps in 2023)

do you see it as realistic ir wishful(day dreaming) thinking
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:09 pm

i checked Summer 2015 timetable and it seems very ambitious. up to 6 daily flights for major european cities (fra,cdg) and 4 for hamburg munich etc. good expansion for saw as well. tehran 5-6 daily flight as well.
how TK is doing at Iran and Israel market?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:28 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 44):

Your wishlist seems to be a bit bigger than their needs? 55 vs. 18 ?
Yeah always short term short term...

OK so i do not see any point in taking older generation aircraft, maybe the A330neo for European trunk routes. I, as my nickname tells, want the A350. I am not sure if the B789 can do SYD, maybe the A350-900R. On the other hand some smaller than A350 aircraft would be reasonable for long thin routes, e.g. the B788.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:34 pm

Don't forget it was Topcu only a week or so ago that also spoke about VLA's again in an interview, and put forward the the crazy idea that TK could lease 2-3 of each (748+380) to "try them out".

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 47):
the crazy idea that TK could lease 2-3 of each (748+380) to "try them out"

Because Topcu is THE authority in airline industry to judge capabilities of an aircraft. It are the stupid ones that order planes without testing them. And those who order planes that have not completed their first flight are even more stupid. Funny guy.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2014

Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 43):

Taban Airlines of Afghanistan. I believe its a former TK A310.

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