Sad AA Sight At ORD

dcaord · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:24 am

Flying into ORD on Sunday, I was saddened to see nearly every gate filled, and 4 different aircraft types, ERJ-145, CRJ 700, EMB 175 and 737-800. Notice anything missing? Nearly every single (about 90%) gate filled on the busy Sunday after Thanksgiving, and not a single MD-80. A sad sight, but one we should all brace for. Certainly a glimpse into the all-too-near future.

northwestEWR · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:50 am

I won't even recognize ORD without chrome T-Tails and little else.

csturdiv · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:51 am

After many ORD-SAN-ORD flights logged in the early 2000s, I am not so sad for the retirement of the M80. Was a complete joy when the route started to go B738. Last flew a M80 on DFW-ORD and after the horrendously long flight from SYD I was not looking forward to being crammed into that plane, but thankfully the flight was not anywhere near 50% full and I was able to relax and stretch out into the two empty seats in my row.

threepoint · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:56 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 2):
Was a complete joy when the route started to go B738. Last flew a M80 on DFW-ORD and after the horrendously long flight from SYD I was not looking forward to being crammed into that plane,

Ugh, while no doubt a technological marvel, the 738 is, for me, among the worst airplanes in terms of passenger experience. There is no joy in flying on them.

dcaord · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:57 am

I'm really looking forward to seeing some AA (not US) A321's and A319's at ORD. I'd love to see some more 76's on domestic routes too.

777STL · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting threepoint (Reply 3):
Ugh, while no doubt a technological marvel, the 738 is, for me, among the worst airplanes in terms of passenger experience. There is no joy in flying on them.

At least in AA's fleet, the 738 is far superior to the MD80. Especially one with BSI and AVOD.

I will not miss the MD80. Their time has gone and past.

dcaord · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:06 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 5):
will not miss the MD80. Their time has gone and past.

Well, nothing beats how quiet it is sitting up in F on a mad dog. Amazing how loud it is in the back, yet so peacefully quiet up front. Take off on one of them from the front and you can't even hear the engines rev up.

LAX772LR · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:11 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 5):
At least in AA's fleet, the 738 is far superior to the MD80

Says who? More quiet when up front, and the option of 2 seats if traveling with a friend/partner when in the back.

I stare at a screen for 10-12hrs+ per day... can definitely go a few hours without "needing" IFE. Will miss the heck out of the MadDogs when they're gone.

reality · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting dcaord (Reply 6):
Well, nothing beats how quiet it is sitting up in F on a mad dog

I alway found the F section to be much noisier than the center part of the cabin, for some reason. The rear was definitely noisier.

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 2):
I am not so sad for the retirement of the M80.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 5):
I will not miss the MD80. Their time has gone and past.

nomorerjs · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:18 am

The 32B will start rotating into ORD come the late March schedule change. This is a welcome addition. I thought the 319 would be a good fit at ORD, but after flying the E175, I would much rather have the new E than the hard seat 8 F seat 319. The summer schedule at ORD shows wuite a bit of up gauging and some frequency increases, but one less LHR and no 77W. The Mad dogs are leaving, even DFW to ORD is loosing them.

777STL · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
Says who?

Says me.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
More quiet when up front, and the option of 2 seats if traveling with a friend/partner when in the back.

It's also horrendous in the back few rows such that AA won't even assign the last row of seats unless the flight is full. Good luck getting those two seats unless you're an elite or you're booking 8 months ahead of time.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
I stare at a screen for 10-12hrs+ per day... can definitely go a few hours without "needing" IFE. Will miss the heck out of the MadDogs when they're gone.

I like a diversion. The BSI is still far superior to the archaic interiors those MD80s have.

I grew up in STL. MD80s were the lion's share of what TWA flew out of there. Then AA rolled in and flew MD80s out of there almost exclusively for the past decade+, with the occasional 757 thrown in. I've probably taken more MD80 flights than everyone in this thread combined. It was all we had. I will not miss them. The 737NGs are far superior airplanes. Hell, I'll even take a US A319 over one of them.

American 767 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 9):
The Mad dogs are leaving, even DFW to ORD is loosing them.

DFW to ORD still has quite a lot of MD-80s. Only rarely you see something else, a 738, an A319 or a 763.

Check this thread:

AA MD80's Return ORD-LGA Next Spring. (by bpat777 Nov 28 2014 in Civil Aviation)

The MD-80s are not leaving that fast. There is still hope that a few of them will remain in the fleet in the early 2020s. It's not because wikipedia says retirement 2018 that one has to say they'll all be gone in 2018.

GSPSPOT · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:11 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
More quiet when up front, and the option of 2 seats if traveling with a friend/partner when in the back.

+1 Winner winner chicken dinner!

TWA772LR · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:18 am

If you think ORD is bad just wait until DFW (Mad Dawg central) starts lacking MDs, and ATL.

Its like seeing DTW and MEM with out red-tailed DC9s...

PSU.DTW.SCE · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):
Its like seeing DTW and MEM with out red-tailed DC9s...

DTW still sees so many 717, MD88, MD90 its like nothing has changed.

northwestEWR · Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:47 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):

Quoting 777stl (Reply 5):
At least in AA's fleet, the 738 is far superior to the MD80

Says who? More quiet when up front, and the option of 2 seats if traveling with a friend/partner when in the back.

I stare at a screen for 10-12hrs+ per day... can definitely go a few hours without "needing" IFE. Will miss the heck out of the MadDogs when they're gone.

AMEN! Even if I'm in the middle on the 3 side, as long as I'm on the wing or forward of that, it beats the heck out of the 737. It feels less claustrophobic. (So does A32X)

AAIL86 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:57 am

"I grew up in STL. MD80s were the lion's share of what TWA flew out of there. Then AA rolled in and flew MD80s out of there almost exclusively for the past decade+, with the occasional 757 thrown in. I've probably taken more MD80 flights than everyone in this thread combined. It was all we had. I will not miss them. The 737NGs are far superior airplanes. Hell, I'll even take a US A319 over one of them. "

Meh. To each his (or her) own. I prefer 2-3 in general, it's far more passenger friendly then 3-3. I'd take an MD80 over a 737 anytime, especially for a 2-3 hour flight. And I'd be happy to call you on that claim of taking more MD-80 flights then the rest of the thread combined

LonghornDC9 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:04 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Flying into ORD on Sunday

I flew through DFW on Saturday and there were tons of MD-80's all over the place. When I was on my flight out (on guess what, an MD-80) I realized that for whatever reason, in my life I think that DC-9 series aircraft have taken me more places than any other mainline jet. It's kind of funny considering that they're old and I'm young, and that two other aircraft types (737 and A320) have since far outsold them for pretty much the same mission. However, for some reason my travel needs just tend to gravitate towards DC-9's. Maybe that's why I love them so much

Long live the DC-9

DeltaMD95 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:14 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Sunday after Thanksgiving, and not a single MD-80. A sad sight, but one we should all brace for. Certainly a glimpse into the all-too-near future.

I feel your pain, my friend. I went spotting at ORD in early October...I think the widebodies easily outnumbered the AA MD80s I saw taking-off and landing. I can't ever remember that being the case in the past. And as recent as 2008/09, 4 out of 5 AA aircraft were seemingly MD80s.

A small consolation, there are reports that MD80s will return on ORD-LGA/EWR/MCI service for 2015.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 10):
I grew up in STL. MD80s were the lion's share of what TWA flew out of there. Then AA rolled in and flew MD80s out of there almost exclusively for the past decade+, with the occasional 757 thrown in. I've probably taken more MD80 flights than everyone in this thread combined. It was all we had. I will not miss them.

"Ha, Ha" (says a finger pointing Nelson from the Simpsons).

You know what they say about karma, right?

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):

If you think ORD is bad just wait until DFW (Mad Dawg central) starts lacking MDs, and ATL.

Its like seeing DTW and MEM with out red-tailed DC9s..

I think ORD and DFW without AA MDs, is like ATL without DL 757s.

At least ATL will still have the better part of 7-10 years for the Mad Dog 88s, as there is not a single MD88 retirement scheduled to date, AFAIK. And even after that, there are still the MD90s and 717s.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
The MD-80s are not leaving that fast. There is still hope that a few of them will remain in the fleet in the early 2020s. It's not because wikipedia says retirement 2018 that one has to say they'll all be gone in 2018.

I hope you're right. But based on reported delivery schedules, Doug Parker may be able to park them for good as early as 2017. A press release on new-build delivery deferrals would be welcomed news.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 3):
Ugh, while no doubt a technological marvel the 738 is, for me, among the worst airplanes in terms of passenger experience.There is no joy in flying on them.

Agreed. I liken it to eating McDonalds cheeseburgers...nothing to write home about. While I've had my UA experiences, I can proudly say I have never flown an AA 738. Avoid at all costs is my motto.

deltal1011man · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:28 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):

While its sad that the t-tails are going away, AA has been upping its game in CHI. E75s and 738s over S80s and E45s are a nice change.

I think in the OAG thread someone said (com?) that AA is really increasing mainline along with two class RJs (mostly E75s) for S16.

pretty sure ATL-ORD is getting 738s and little busses.

UA444 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 18):
A press release on new-build delivery deferrals would be welcomed news.

If they want to defer CAP EX for other other ventures, that'd be a great way to do it. If fuel comes down and keeps coming down like many are speculating, it will actually truly make sense to keep some of the newer MDs for a few years more, especially on short haul routes.

crownvic · Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:00 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Flying into ORD on Sunday, I was saddened to see nearly every gate filled, and 4 different aircraft types, ERJ-145, CRJ 700, EMB 175 and 737-800. Notice anything missing? Nearly every single (about 90%) gate filled on the busy Sunday after Thanksgiving, and not a single MD-80. A sad sight, but one we should all brace for. Certainly a glimpse into the all-too-near future.

You think so? I guarantee you, it was more sad when all the planes with #2 engines on the roof/tail (i.e. 727 & D10s) along with a big needle coming out of the top of the tail, dominated this same ramp, with "AA" on the tail.

DeltaMD95 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:07 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 21):
I guarantee you, it was more sad when all the planes with #2 engines on the roof/tail (i.e. 727 & D10s) along with a big needle coming out of the top of the tail, dominated this same ramp, with "AA" on the tail.

I presume you mean it was more sad when the trijets were retired. I'm sure for many it was. But at least for AA, 727s and D10s were largely withdrawn from ORD by the mid 1990s, with few exceptions. That was five years before they were fully phased out of the AA fleet.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 19):
AA has been upping its game in CHI.

It is good to finally see more mainline again. The mainline to DCI ratio is a joke at ORD, when compared to DL's ATL HQ.

Quoting UA444 (Reply 20):
If they want to defer CAP EX for other other ventures, that'd be a great way to do it. If fuel comes down and keeps coming down like many are speculating, it will actually truly make sense to keep some of the newer MDs for a few years more, especially on short haul routes.

I agree. And if another NW protege/RA peer were running the company, I would be confident that this strategy would be used. But I have my doubts with DP. He seems hellbent on new-builds (especially Airbus) and a complete fleet renewal. Leaving the CapEx debt as someone else's problem after his retirement.

LAX772LR · Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:51 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 10):
Says me.

Well THAT'S hardly an authoritative source, now isn't it

Quoting 777stl (Reply 10):
I've probably taken more MD80 flights than everyone in this thread combined.

Huh??
...child, you're under 25. I was riding MadDogs weekly when you were still soiling your Huggies.

ORDJOE · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:19 pm

Having flown First and all the way in the back I can attest to how different it is. First you can barely hear the engine while the back you nearly need ear plugs.
Like many things yes it is a dissapointment that airplane diversity is going away and it is nice to see something other than a 738 or a 319/320. On the other hand it is good that AA is getting rid of these gas guzzlers both for the bottom line and the environment.
TBH I never liked the appearance of an MD80 much anyway. Perhaps seeing so many of them at ORD over the years. The only T tail I truly liked was the 727, but have not seen one of those in a long while.

jfk777 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:46 pm

the Mad dogs represent a past era at AA. The era that replaced the Boeing 727.

commavia · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:07 pm

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 22):
The mainline to DCI ratio is a joke at ORD, when compared to DL's ATL HQ.

That's because AA's ORD hub is in a market split between three airlines (AA, Southwest and United) and there just isn't enough traffic to go around to fill tons of mainline for all three. In addition, Delta routes a phenomenal amount of volume through ATL, while other hubs - including those, like DTW and MSP, that are closer to ORD itself - are far less mainline-heavy.

The more apt comparison wouldn't be AA/ORD vs Delta/ATL, but AA/DFW vs Delta/ATL. While still not as mainline-intensive in percentage terms as ATL, DFW is far closer than ORD.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 25):
the Mad dogs represent a past era at AA. The era that replaced the Boeing 727.

That they do. There are few airlines that have been more associated with aircraft, or vice versa - maybe Pan Am and the 747, or Northwest and the DC9.

ozark1 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:32 pm

After having worked many different types of aircraft over the years, I really enjoyed F/C on the 80. The galley was big, and it was out of site of the passengers. I am absolutely sure that I have hearing loss because of so many years sitting on the back jumpseat when the Mad Dog reversed thrust on landing! The 737 is my aircraft of choice now. Great to work in M/C and they are new so they don't break down as much as the 80 and the 75. I do think it was popular because of the 3-2 seating. I remember how excited my friends and I were to finally be working a narrowbody Douglas product when we got them in 1984 (I think). But IFE really makes a lot of people enjoy the flight more and the PA's are automatically done on most of the other equipment. So the 80 is outdated, but it sure has been a workhorse.

American 767 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:48 pm

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 22):
with few exceptions.

Right. ORD saw the 727 till the end of the 90s, though not many after 1994 when ORD-LGA and ORD-DFW became all S80, except one rare equipment change from time to time. ORD-West Coast markets became mostly S80 when the DC-10s were withdrawn. ORD-EWR saw the 727 till late 1999, right at the dawn of the year 2000. And I believe that ORD-MCI also saw the 727 till the late 90s.

sw733 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
not a single MD-80. A sad sight, but one we should all brace for. Certainly a glimpse into the all-too-near future.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 5):
I will not miss the MD80. Their time has gone and past.

As someone who lives in an MD-80 heavy city, I'm ready for those pieces of junk to be gone. I've been bit enough times by MD-80 maintenance-related delays. Good riddance with them. Sure, they're comfortable inside and I love the 2-3 seating, but...good riddance with them.

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 18):
A small consolation, there are reports that MD80s will return on ORD-LGA/EWR/MCI service for 2015.

MCI is my said MD-80 heavy city. I'm sad to see it will still be coming here

Thrust · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:16 pm

Is AA planning on replacing the 777-200ER with the A330? Their -200s are getting old.

ABQopsHP · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting reality (Reply 8):
I alway found the F section to be much noisier than the center part of the cabin, for some reason. The rear was definitely noisier.

As a non-rev on CO I had the pleasure of sitting in F along with various seats in Y. I agree F is nice on takeoff and early flight, but once youre at altitude the noise of the slipstream over the a/c is noticeable in F but when you get about 8 rows back in Y its nice and quiet. And of course from about 1 row ahead of the aft galley on back it can be noisy.

Quoting dcaord (Reply 4):
I'm really looking forward to seeing some AA (not US) A321's and A319's at ORD

And as a former HP/US emp I flew all the Airbus types, and currently have the privilege of flying on AA. I have not seen much difference between the US 319 and the AA 319. Have not flown the AA 321 yet. Dont see many of them out of DFW. But my guess is they are about the same, and AA will standardize the interiors as the merger moves on. The F cabin has already seen some changes on the US a/c.

JD CRP

eaglepower83 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
That's because AA's ORD hub is in a market split between three airlines (AA, Southwest and United) and there just isn't enough traffic to go around to fill tons of mainline for all three.

If they reduced frequency a little, they COULD fill more mainline in Chicago.
Chicago is a HUGE market for being the 3rd in city size.
And Midways is now a cramped mess. It's always crowded.

It really is an end of an era for AA. No more MD80s? Wow....the day is nigh.
I really liked the 2-3 seating. That was my favorite. The front of Y really was the best. No engine noise, and no wind noise like in the nose.

Although, I do enjoy the larger E-jets. They are NICE. And I like the Sky Interior of the 737s and the articulating seats (weirdo i know

The new Airbii for AA will be fun.
Time marches forward.

offloaded · Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:35 pm

Try spotting at FAO. 737, 320, 737, 320, 320, 320, look kids, 737.

Oh, and the parked 727 of an African gent arrested in Belgium.

Tugger · Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:47 pm

I personally very much liked the Mad Dog and its two seat side in particular when riding in the back. And I always enjoyed how quiet the front of the aircraft was. Of course without a refresh of the interior it is overworn nowadays since its on schedule to be replaced, but when it was their "bread and butter" on so many routes and they kept the interior up it was a good solid ride.

Also, can someone please correct the thread title:

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Sad AA Site At ORD

In the context it is being used the correct word to use is spelled "Sight".

Tugg

Tan Flyr · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
Says who? More quiet when up front, and the option of 2 seats if traveling with a friend/partner when in the back.

I stare at a screen for 10-12hrs+ per day... can definitely go a few hours without "needing" IFE. Will miss the heck out of the MadDogs when they're gone.

WesternA318 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:20 pm

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 16):
Meh. To each his (or her) own. I prefer 2-3 in general, it's far more passenger friendly then 3-3. I'd take an MD80 over a 737 anytime, especially for a 2-3 hour flight. And I'd be happy to call you on that claim of taking more MD-80 flights then the rest of the thread combined

If my flightdiary is correct, I have 129 segments on MD-81/82's and 72 on MD-83's...whatchall got?

WA707atMSP · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:33 pm

I flew on an AA 319 for the first time this summer, and it was absolute misery.

The IFE box intruded noticeably into the under seat storage area, making it hard for me to stow my carry on, and the seat pitch seemed tighter than on an MD-80.

Also, MD-80 wings are so long and slender that you can get a decent view almost anywhere you sit, unlike the 319.

Now that an AA 319 is in my logbook, I will try to fly MD-80s whenever possible until they're grounded.

mainMAN · Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:42 pm

Interesting thread. I've only ever been on one Douglas/MD flight, and that was a KLM DC-9 30 years ago. I now hopefully have enough time to make it across the pond to sample another!

ckfred · Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:14 pm

On the one hand, the MD-80 is a great plane for flights under 2.5 hours. The front of the cabin is quiet. I like the 2-3 seating. When flying with my wife and son, we sit on the 3 side. When my wife and I travel without our son, it's the 2 side.

It's flights over 2.5 hours that become boring with the MD-80, with the lack of IFE. I don't own a laptop or iPod, so it's loading up with the paper, magazines, and paperbacks.

It is sad to see fewer and fewer MD-80s at ORD. I flew ORD-IAH-ORD last month, with a connection at DFW flying to IAH. Whereas ORD was almost all 738s at 8am, with the LHR 763 and a few MD-80s (including my DFW departure), DFW had a lot of MD-80s. It seemed like the vast majority of planes parked at Terminal A were MD-80s.

sw733 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:15 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 37):
I flew on an AA 319 for the first time this summer, and it was absolute misery.

319 in regular economy is bad. MCE and F are fine in my opinion. But I appreciate the IFE and the reliability of the aircraft versus the MD80.

777STL · Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 29):
As someone who lives in an MD-80 heavy city, I'm ready for those pieces of junk to be gone. I've been bit enough times by MD-80 maintenance-related delays. Good riddance with them. Sure, they're comfortable inside and I love the 2-3 seating, but...good riddance with them.

That's exactly my point. They're only sexy to people who haven't flown them often and are nostalgic for them. It's pretty much all I flew for two decades, I've done my time and I'm done with them.

On the flip side, the UA 739 I flew on last Thursday was immaculate. BSI interior, Live TV, comfortable seats up in econ+, and no interior panels held together by duct tape. Imagine that.

Continental · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:04 pm

One of my favorite AA MD-80 rides was ORD-PSP. I was seated a couple rows behind first class in an aisle seat. The flight attendants were older and dressed in holiday garb (it was early Dec). It was the smoothest, quietest flight I had ever been on.

slcguy · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:13 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 38):
Interesting thread. I've only ever been on one Douglas/MD flight, and that was a KLM DC-9 30 years ago. I now hopefully have enough time to make it across the pond to sample another!

While the AA MD-80s may only have a few years left you should still have plenty of time. With the number of Delta MD-80, MD-90 and B-717 in service, there will be members of the DC-9 family of aircraft flying well into the next decade.

aaparisflyer · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting 777stl (Reply 41):
That's exactly my point. They're only sexy to people who haven't flown them often and are nostalgic for them. It's pretty much all I flew for two decades, I've done my time and I'm done with them.

Couldn't agree with you more! From a cabin service point of view, these were always horrible to work! There is a reason we called them the Ken and Barbie Dream Jet, 'cause they aren't quite life sized.
Standing in the galley, you couldn't stand up straight, you would have to lean away from the fuselage. And don't get me started on sitting on the back jumpseat and getting your knees bashed every time someone opened the lav door!

The nice quiet front end for the premium payers was outweighed by the horrendous noise in the back. I remember we would always plug our ears every landing as the reversers were deployed.

Rayzor1700 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:25 pm

I've got AA MD-80's booked for ORD-MSP-ORD in December, I'm really excited cause it'll be my first time flying AA! I've flown on many maddogs with DL before and I love them to death, without a doubt my favorite aircraft. I also have AA 737's booked for the RDU-ORD legs, so I'll kind of have a view of the past and current era of AA in one trip. It should be interesting.

Although it's sad that they're being replaced, I'm very thankful for DL and AA still having large MD-80 fleets as for I'm only a teenager so I don't have as much experience on them. Whenever I fly I always book maddogs if I can, nothing's as exciting as sitting in the back of one with the view and sound of the engines!

eal46859 · Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:18 pm

I can understand the sadness of seeing the last of the L1011's, DC 10's, MD11's, 747-200/300/400, 727's etal..
but I for one will be glad when the carrier I fly almost always (DL) gets rid of their MD/88/90 series aircraft.

They feel cramped , the over head bins on the 2 seat YC side are too small for most roll a boards, the back end is so noisy
that one's ears ring for several hours after landing.

The last one I was on was built in 1987 according to the serial tag on the front door.

Which I had plenty of time to read while I waited in line to get to my seat since everyone else
was trying to shove their carry on above their seats even in FC.

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