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EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:52 pm

With EK getting something like 20 more A380's next year, I've been thinking where they may deploy them next.
Of course, many of EK's current destinations served with their 77W's aren't A380 ready, so my choice would be :
KUL
JKT
BHX
GRU
NRT resumption.
CAN
I'm sure I've missed a couple off.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:04 pm

Probably
MAD
IAD
BOS
PER
JNB
ORD
NRT
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:09 pm

ORD cant handle A380 yet, as far as I know. Surprised they arent sending the whale to DC at the moment.

A380 back to NRT?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:35 pm

 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:12 pm

All 4 German destinations served by Emirates will be upgraded to A380.
China will be covered with A380 too.

Emirates want to serve all places with their A380, but some big challenges never allow them. Imagine a place like IST is banning the use of F class for EK, no way to allow the A380 to land their.
EK is facing big challenges with the restrictions that some bilateral put on frequencies and passenger movements.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting TC957 (Thread starter):
so my choice would be :
KUL

EK 346 to KUL has been A380 for a long time. I think they have operated one trip to BHX as well, so tey will probably be looking at upgrading there soon.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:46 pm

BOS can't except it, either. They'll go double-daily before they go to the A380 in Boston. The plans are in place to grant EK (and others) the gates needed to accept the A380, but it certainly isn't imminent. It's all still in the blueprint stage, AFAIK.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):

Can they BAN a level of service? Never heard of that before.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:20 pm

In Spain rumor has it that EK will launch A380 service to MAD in March.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:37 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 5):
EK 346 to KUL has been A380 for a long time

77W according to Galileo.....
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:13 pm

What about CPH or ARN?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:27 pm

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 10):
What about CPH or ARN?

I don't know if there are any suitable A380 gates at those airports with proper A380
jetbridges and sufficient space etc?

However there are plans for a larger re-construction of Arlanda to make it A380 compatible
by building a new pier at T5.

http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/arlanda...gs-ut-for-13-miljarder_8897486.svd
http://www.swedavia.se/Global/om_fly...sen/Nya_Arlanda/Nya_Arlanda_55.pdf (P10).

[Edited 2014-12-02 14:30:50]
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:01 pm

I think
Some expand in Latin America, perhaps A380
Brazil, Argentina

[Edited 2014-12-02 15:09:09]
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:20 pm

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 10):
What about CPH or ARN?

Yes please. A380 to ARN. And preferably before March 2015 for my own selfish reasons.

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Seriously though. Does anyone have any idea of loads to Scandinavia and is it likely in the not too distant future?
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:28 pm

PER seems interesting. I like the chances.

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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:31 pm

GLA had a one off visit this year. Anything more permanent to come?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 15):

Glasgow? Can that runway support fully loaded A380?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 11):
I don't know if there are any suitable A380 gates at those airports with proper A380
jetbridges and sufficient space etc?

However there are plans for a larger re-construction of Arlanda to make it A380 compatible
by building a new pier at T5.

I think you brought in a good point   : To put things in perspective & within a general context when we talk about airports and A380, I think it is fair to differentiate between "not allowed" & "not accepted" and between airports have infrastructures that can not accommodate A380's

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):
banning the use of F class for EK, no way to allow the A380 to land their.


I am just curious, there always seem an on-again/off-again EK interest in a dual-class A380, I wonder were the plans are now!
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:35 am

KUL:

Has seen the A380 (EK346/EK347) but was withdrawn earlier this year if I am not mistaken and replaced by the 77W.

It was planned to be back around Feb 2015, but that is off the table now.

I hope it will be back soon for my 'own selfish reasons' as Flylonghaul put it nicely.

PER:

AFAIK this will come as soon as the airport upgrades are finalized.

By the way, wasn't this planned to be completed earlier this year??
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:28 am

GIG Declared A380 Ready (by AF086 Dec 2 2014 in Civil Aviation)

GIG is now ready for A380. Possible EK A380 destination?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:56 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 2):
Quoting Vladex (Reply 3):

Here is another link on ORD with similar info and an added interesting input related to EK:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/h...ound-met-1006-20141012-column.html
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:58 am

Any possibilities for all A380 services to Bangkok? Including DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC v.v.

Heard from EK sales department in Phuket that EK is pushing airport authority for A380 capable airport.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:31 am

IAH starts tomorrow so I'd say it's literally the next destination. :P

Couldn't EK upgauge a German city to once daily A380 service and then start Berlin? It's their biggest hole in Germany.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:41 am

CUN?

maybe I am nuts but CUN could actually work.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 14):

PER seems interesting. I like the chances.

PER was previously selected as an A380 destination and was to have commenced last year. However, the work on constructing an A380 capable airbridge, refurbishing the Lounge to accommodate additional passengers and other related works were delayed. AFAIK, the airbridge is ready but it remains unclear when or if EK will launch A380 services. I guess it depends on what current loads are like on their existing flights (3 daily).

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 22):
Couldn't EK upgauge a German city to once daily A380 service and then start Berlin? It's their biggest hole in Germany.

Under the current bilateral agreement EK can serve four destinations with unrestricted frequencies. They currently fly to FRA, MUC, DUS and HAM. To start BER they need to drop one of the other destinations, something they would be unlikely to do unless one of them was making less money than they would expect to make in BER.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:29 am

I think EK will go to every US destination with A380 except seattle
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:33 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 16):
Glasgow? Can that runway support fully loaded A380?

Fully loaded, no. However GLA-DXB will not require the aircraft to be full loaded. Full of pax and fuel to DXB from GLA shouldn't be an issue, as was demonstrated earlier this year.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:41 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 11):
I don't know if there are any suitable A380 gates at those airports with proper A380
jetbridges and sufficient space etc?

AFAIK the only time an A380 has actually parked at a gate at a Scandinavian airport is at OSL, when Lufthansa visited with their big bird. At ARN and CPH the aircraft had to park remotely due to lack of terminal space.



I reckon we will see the remaining LGW flights upgauged to the A380 before long.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:45 am

There are rumours that MAN will get either another A380 on the evening flight or a 4th daily flight, I wonder which will be first.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:03 am

BHX...

There's no 3 class option available from BHX so unless Emirates are having a bunch of 2 class A380's delivered, there will be a whole section of the bus that will be unused which is a total waste of potential revenue, so I dont think BHX will be any time soon.

A third Mon-Weds-Fri 777 might work, but I dont think replacing EK38 and EK40 with an A380 is a sensible proposal.

But hey, maybe Emirates will change and start offering a first class product going forward at some point.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:17 am

Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 29):
There's no 3 class option available from BHX so unless Emirates are having a bunch of 2 class A380's delivered, there will be a whole section of the bus that will be unused which is a total waste of potential revenue, so I dont think BHX will be any time soon.

EK will have 2 class versions with around 600 seats but that's not due for another year or two. Gives an extra couple of hundred seats to fill but the thing to bear in mind is that MAN and GLA have both progressed from 2 class aircraft to 3 class aircraft so there's no reason to not see 1st class out of BHX.... it allows for minimal increase in available capacity whilst allowing them to grow their fleet to let a 3rd daily service to commence; i hardly think that MAN and GLA have 1st class sold out on all services so BHX shouldn't worry on that front.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:35 am

Agreed however Manchester and Glasgow currently offer and sell a first class product on their flights whereas Birmingham doesn't at all as they (Emirates) see no market for it here, so they really need to start offering first or wait for these 2 class aircraft you mention.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:35 am

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 28):

4th daily to MAN? whoaaa...talk about flooding the market.  Wow! even if they start what would be Arr Dep time? current 3 services are nicely distributed through out the day. I would say replacing evening 77W with A388 would be more sensible approach?

BHX will get it I guess some point next year may be? EK can sustain even F class doesn't get booked till they receive 2 class A388.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:46 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 32):
4th daily to MAN? whoaaa...talk about flooding the market

How is it flooding the market? The 3 services at the moment are averaging around the 85% to 90% load factor mark. As for the 4th daily timing, it'd be something like arrive 1320 depart 1520 with EK17/18 shunted earlier by 30 minutes
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:16 pm

JNB would have been thought to be obvious choice, however since the recent introduction of a 4th daily 77W flight it was mentioned that they're first looking to diversify the route with more connection options. So from here they'd probably work towards upgrading a flight to A380, however with this 4th daily flight there were some confusion and unhappiness from the South African government (read SAA) and talks about revising the bilateral...so remains to be seen...my guess if they stay at 4th daily it might take a long time before A380...if they get forced to remove 4th daily, then one of the remaining has better chance to be upgraded
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:27 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 32):
BHX will get it I guess some point next year may be? EK can sustain even F class doesn't get booked till they receive 2 class A388.

A little off topic but still.

I'm sure they can sustain it yes however I would like to know which bright spark at Emirates decided there wasn't a first class market out of BHX without first even offering it.

I am often reminded of the film 'Field of Dreams' in this instance, if you build it, they will come.

I can understand if they had previously offered a first class product and nobody took them up on it then only offering a 2 class product, but to never have offered it and deem it unworkable, just doesnt make sense to me. Hardly a shortage of aircraft on their part either.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:31 pm

How about DUB ? The way business is growing there (with quite a few pax coming from N Ireland/UK mainland ... to avoid APD) the A380 will be needed.

I thought EK was going to operate a "one off" A380 flight ? Any news ?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:56 pm

The obvious one is LCY with 32 seats on each deck

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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting ElanusNotatus (Reply 24):
Under the current bilateral agreement EK can serve four destinations with unrestricted frequencies. They currently fly to FRA, MUC, DUS and HAM. To start BER they need to drop one of the other destinations, something they would be unlikely to do unless one of them was making less money than they would expect to make in BER.

I'm quite sure they will drop one city in favour of Berlin, and send the A380 to Berlin eventually, but not before the new airport opens (i.e. not before 2017 at the earliest). Right now TXL is so small and overcrowded (and will become even more so, with U2 moving some flights to TXL), they probably don't want to get into that mess at all.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 33):

Is that load factor year around? or seasonal?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:08 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 38):

They will never drop any of the current destinations in Germany , and they will get BER through some local authority which will skip the federal bilateral between Germany and UAE, maybe between Dubai and Berlin city.
As said they are waiting for the new airport to finish and they will start working silently.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 27):
AFAIK the only time an A380 has actually parked at a gate at a Scandinavian airport is at OSL, when Lufthansa visited with their big bird. At ARN and CPH the aircraft had to park remotely due to lack of terminal space.

CPH is upgrading its Pier C (non-schengen) gates at the moment. Initially they won't upgrade any gates to be A380 capable, but they will start the construction once they get approached by an interested operator. So please EK, send them an email ASAP.
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:13 pm

Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 35):


I'd like to know that too, I can think of one company right now that I'm sure would be interested as several of its directors travel to India on an almost monthly basis not to mention their travel needs around the world on business...

And there's lots of other big business around the midlands who I'm confident would be very interested too
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:25 pm

Quoting TC957 (Thread starter):
With EK getting something like 20 more A380's next year, I've been thinking where they may deploy them next

20 in 1 year????

I'm almost sure that MAD will go A380 tonwelcome EY, howevervaddino a 3rd daily would be awesome too.

3rd daily A380 to JFK is schedule starting March 8.


I think they'll add more A380 to SIN, FRA, and maybe some regional Kuwait, BOM, DEL.

And we will see PER and MNL as new destinations.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 39):
Is that load factor year around? or seasonal?

The CAA offficial stats for the 9 months to September + the provisional October figures show 663064 passengers on the route (up 3.8% on the same period last year). If we assume the following operated the routes: 427 seat 77W on EK21/22, 517 seat A380 on EK17/18 and 360 seat 77W on EK19/20, then they offered 792832 seats. Thus it equates to 83.63% loads. Allow for substitution of aircraft with less seats and you get up to the 85% to 90% mark.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:44 pm

What about MXP? they have 3 daily flights to Milan (B777-300). One flight continues to JFK also. Don't you think MXP should be on the wishlist for the 380 too?
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:51 pm

A380s to MXP should have started on 1st December?

and today's Flightradar 24 listing show this from MXP:

19:35 EK91 Dubai (DXB) Emirates A388 A6-EDU Estimated 19:44

[Edited 2014-12-03 05:53:57]
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:58 pm

Surely
VIE and OSL as well, maybe ATH and IST as well?
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 46):

Amazing numbers...apologies, should have waited to see those numbers...unbelievable.

Quoting JEKY (Reply 45):

Yes it has started, I saw on 24 radar yesterday + someone confirmed on here on some other thread.
 
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RE: EK A380 Routes - Where Next?

Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:33 pm

EK will offer IMO First Class out of BHX in the near future. I flew BHX-DXB-HKG-DXB-BHX last month in Business and it was full up front on EK38/39. I don't think there were any upgrades as I checked seat maps a few days before each flight and there were no spare seats showing in Business. BHX loads on EK are well ahead of GLA and about the same loads as MAN were getting when they got upgraded and their 3rd daily flight.

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