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Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:10 am

Ending service to IAD, LGA and Trenton, NJ. LGA slots being reallocated to MIA, sounds like the DEN-LGA flight is moving to MIA as well. Frontier states the routes were not performing as expected. This comes after only about 3 months. Not good for CLE, but I can say that I work for a decent size company in downtown CLE and we never really consider using Frontier because many of the flights were not daily. It just wasn't convenient for business travel.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:31 am

Quoting atlaaron (Thread starter):
It just wasn't convenient for business travel.

I am surprised that given the popularity of NYC for tourism and presumably far lower average fares than with incumbents, CLE-LGA couldn't work.
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:39 am

Frontier is not really catering to the business traveler with its ULCC transition. The flights were started to cater to the O&D traffic. Some routes work, some don't. It's all a work in progress.
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:06 am

WHAT?! How could this happen? How could Dave Siegel leave so much money on the table, just like SMI/J?!

Obviously, the cartel of large, overserved hub cities is at work again (evil MIA!). I wonder what Ricky Smith has up his sleeve now. JetBlue needs a Midwestern gateway because, well, the Midwest is in the middle. There's always Etihad, too.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:36 am

Well the Topic is off base, cutting service so they can increase service so they increase Florida service for the winter, then this spring return service to RDU, SEA and more.
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:51 am

I'm fairly certain you are reading the wrong Cleveland.com article . . . the one from August 25th talks about Florida service expanding. The one from today says nothing of the such. It does mention Seattle & RDU service resuming April 30. I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but it's certainly worth noting major destinations are getting cut.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:05 am

Reducing service? It's all in the definition of "service". Weekly departures are still increasing, it's just that those departures will be spread over fewer destinations. Those 3-4x weekly departures to IAD, TTN, and ORD that are being discontinued are being replaced with increases to daily service at RDU, ATL, and DFW next year. In addition F9 is adding daily SEA next April. Most Florida routes have gone to at least daily as well for the season.

So yes, while destinations have been cut by F9 at CLE, all of those cuts have been replaced with other routes or frequency additions. The net change is still more "service" despite destinations being cut.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:17 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 6):
So yes, while destinations have been cut by F9 at CLE, all of those cuts have been replaced with other routes or frequency additions. The net change is still more "service" despite destinations being cut.

This seems to be Frontier's MO of late. Its happening in TTN as well. CLT, DTW, MSP and ATL go to daily starting April 30th while IND,BNA,STL,MKE, CLE are being discontinued.
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:24 am

I have major respect for the F9 execs for not being afraid of change and fir finding their niche. If only more would follow then we wouldn't have had so many airlines fail.
 
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
This seems to be Frontier's MO of late. Its happening in TTN as well. CLT, DTW, MSP and ATL go to daily starting April 30th while IND,BNA,STL,MKE, CLE are being discontinued.

  

Same-same CLE-ATL and CLE-DFW - both go to daily. When CLE-SEA and CLE-RDU come back in the spring both are daily.

Indigo doesn't seem keen on less than daily service, except at some resort places. Most of the new routes at PHX, ORD and SLC - and MIA - are daily.

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[Edited 2014-12-02 20:05:21]
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:32 am

Let's also note that NK is starting a plethora of routes next spring from CLE. It looks like CLE is turning into a ULCC heaven!
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:28 am

Quoting jetero (Reply 3):
WHAT?! How could this happen? How could Dave Siegel leave so much money on the table, just like SMI/J?!

Obviously, the cartel of large, overserved hub cities is at work again (evil MIA!). I wonder what Ricky Smith has up his sleeve now. JetBlue needs a Midwestern gateway because, well, the Midwest is in the middle. There's always Etihad, too.

All your sarcastic posts/comments are so...I don't know, suppose to be funny or something?
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:04 am

Spirit, United, American and Southwest are going to competing against F9 on a number of the routes F9 is operating. Can F9 coexist with Spirit on DFW-CLE? CLE-MCO? CLE-RSW? CLE-LAS?
 
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I hope some actually decent airlines refill this void. CLE and the rest of Ohio deserve a lot better.
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:09 am

Quoting atlaaron (Thread starter):

Well that didn't take long..
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:18 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 13):
Can F9 coexist with Spirit on DFW-CLE? CLE-MCO? CLE-RSW? CLE-LAS?

I just keep seeing the same cities discussed all the time. Hopefully, at some point, F9 might look at some different destinations, like SAN.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Indigo doesn't seem keen on less than daily service, except at some resort places. Most of the new routes at PHX, ORD and SLC - and MIA - are daily

If this is the case, and it continues, maybe I will see F9 try something again at SAN. To date, almost every non-DEN route that the various iterations of Frontier have tried from here -- including CUN, MZT, OMA, MKE and COS -- have been less than daily. And all have failed rather quickly.

I've suggested all along that SAN just doesn't seem to work with less than daily domestic air service. (Witness G4 horrible history with Lindbergh service.)

I see now that F9 will be flying less than 2 daily flights out of SAN for the foreseeable future (both to DEN of course) and I do hope that, with this new "daily-is-good" outlook, perhaps they will again try some p-2-p routes from SAN. This is certainly a city that can support more than 1.5 flights per day by an airline such as F9.

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Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:01 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I just keep seeing the same cities discussed all the time. Hopefully, at some point, F9 might look at some different destinations, like SAN.

At this stage of the game it is all guesswork.

Forget the past. Indigo is radically transforming the Frontier route map, and is using this winter - with aircraft going out of service for the installation of new seats - as the changeover.

It's fair to assume that the concentration will be on "bigger cities" and that most big city pairings will be at least daily service (all the routes from PHX and SLC e.g.) but LGA-MIA and PHL-MCO are 2 x daily for the winter.

Several of the Apple routes have gone as Frontier "reclaims" the aircraft and a number of the smaller - connection heavy - regional cities from DEN are gone. The concentration is on O&D, with connections as a by-product. TTN-UST survives because it is (a) gangbusters and (b) all O&D.

I have no idea if SAN fits into this new model - it may - but for now, everything is guesswork until they start announcing the coming spring/summer schedule.

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[Edited 2014-12-03 00:08:45]
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:53 pm

Though many complain that F9 is too erratic, (I tend to agree) I do understand their tactic. They are in a transitional period right now, and they have to tinker it for a bit to see what works for them.

I see MIA and IAD as a smart move for F9, with all the LCCs and Spirit at FLL, BWI, DCA, they bring some interesting competition to those markets.

What about similar markets like CLT?

Some markets that NK doesn't serve that I think are worth a try for F9 are RDU, BNA, CMH, JAX (instead of UST), BDL, AUS and SAT. Continued expansion in cities like SFO and PHL. ATL maybe?

My thoughts...
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:06 pm

Isnt this months-old news?
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:08 pm

Quoting Legend757 (Reply 17):
... they have to tinker it for a bit to see what works for them.

I agree and still think Frontier underpriced their short-haul CLE markets. It may also be the case that a single less-than-daily flight won't work on high frequency routes like CLE-Chicago (26 flights by other airlines) and CLE-LGA (13 flights by other airlines). Dulles seems to be a different case - simply a marketing failure?

As knope2001's traffic data shows, however, Frontier has achieved high marketplace recognition and they're certainly not running from CLE with tail between legs, just concentrating about the same number of departures on fewer cities.
 
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 19):
Dulles seems to be a different case - simply a marketing failure?

I think CLE-IAD just doesn't make much sense. Even UA, that used to have a hub on both ends, only flies it a few times a day with RJ/Q400's. And for the leisure customer that F9 is targeting, the drive from CLE to IAD really isn't that bad. Depending on where you are going, the drive from the Virginia suburbs to the Cleveland suburbs is only about 5.5 hours.
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:19 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
Several of the Apple routes have gone as Frontier "reclaims" the aircraft and a number of the smaller - connection heavy - regional cities from DEN are gone. The concentration is on O&D, with connections as a by-product. TTN-UST survives because it is (a) gangbusters and (b) all O&D.
Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Indigo doesn't seem keen on less than daily service

It seems to me that TTN has a lot of trouble if you are correct about the distaste for non-daily domestic routes...and I think you are right about that being the direction. More room for G4...

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):

Isnt this months-old news?

Yes
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
It seems to me that TTN has a lot of trouble if you are correct about the distaste for non-daily domestic routes...and I think you are right about that being the direction.

All the TTN (non-Florida) destinations are going daily.

But it isn't a hard and fast rule that routes have to be daily - the recently announced STL-LAS is 3 x weekly. IAD-CVG and IAD-MEM come back as 3 and 4 x weekly respectively.

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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):
I think CLE-IAD just doesn't make much sense. Even UA, that used to have a hub on both ends, only flies it a few times a day with RJ/Q400's.

UA charges nose-bleed, traffic-destroying fares and operates not just Q400s but Q200 and 300's - 50's technology was faster and more comfortable than Q2/300s. No wonder there's no traffic. Indy Air used to draw crowds on CLE-IAD (but they underpriced the route, too.).
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:33 pm

Beyond the less than daily frequency on the CLE-LGA route, the schedule stunk for business traffic as well. I don't blame F9 for moving the CLE and DEN slots to MIA.
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):

I think it's because even leisure pax prefer to land in DCA that IAD when visiting DC. And, Cleveland likely doesn't draw in pax so much especially during Winter.

The drive has a rough terrain patch between Somerset, PA and the MD border and Central PA. Not a fun drive on a Winter night with tractor trailers on the road present also.
 
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Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
All the TTN (non-Florida) destinations are going daily.

And we will see how that goes. The fact they are attempting to do that validates your point. Whether it will work is a different matter.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
And we will see how that goes. The fact they are attempting to do that validates your point. Whether it will work is a different matter.

If it doesn't work they can always cut back to the present schedule - 4 or 5 x - but it really only affects three routes - CLT, DTW and MSP.

I was surprised they didn't put TTN-MSP up to daily last year once the bookings became evident, but they only had three aircraft assigned to TTN last year and they were going flat chat.

I think it's more interesting that Indigo appears to have embraced TTN and the airport director has said there may be a 4th aircraft assigned there.

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The guys and gals who plan the routes and schedules certainly earn their pay at F9. Being a multitasker must be a prerequisite for the job.
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:20 pm

I was going to start a separate thread on this but it now appears UA is ending flights to DFW, RSW, FLL and TPA starting in the spring.
 
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Quoting atlaaron (Reply 29):
I was going to start a separate thread on this but it now appears UA is ending flights to DFW, RSW, FLL and TPA starting in the spring.

No surprise. I think RSW/TPA are likely to just be going seasonal. FLL could be too, but that route is more likely to get multiple other carriers. It'll just be UA hubs soon.
 
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Based on the Cleveland.com article it does not sound as though they will come back seasonal, but who knows.
 
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
No surprise. I think RSW/TPA are likely to just be going seasonal.

TPA is interesting. Two or so weeks ago I read a article in one of the realtor journals which tell the real truth about housing markets. TPA appeared in the top 5 worst U.S housing markets in the here and now. It seems people want to live on the other side of bay in St. Pete and Clearwater; closer to the beaches I suppose.

A lot of years ago I was told by a senior executive at a federal airline symposium airlines use housing metrics in selecting new markets. Now might be the time for F9 to reconsider PIE.
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 32):
TPA appeared in the top 5 worst U.S housing markets in the here and now.

That's interesting. I didn't know that, although as they say there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
 
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 32):
TPA is interesting. Two or so weeks ago I read a article in one of the realtor journals which tell the real truth about housing markets. TPA appeared in the top 5 worst U.S housing markets in the here and now. It seems people want to live on the other side of bay in St. Pete and Clearwater; closer to the beaches I suppose.

Not saying you're wrong, in fact your information is said to be from a high source so I'll take something from it, but from living in the Tampa Bay Area, it may be from a wave of new housing in the further suburbs that is likely the cause. The areas housing market has supposedly improved from a few years ago, such as a recent article in one of the major local newspapers citing a huge increase in "luxury" sales. One of the worst in the country? Maybe, but for the area, I feel the trend in areas in "Tampa" are going up, with projects stalled in the boom days now being dusted off, including some major luxury waterfront projects, in the range of 1000+ units. Also, if you are saying that "people want to live" as in retirees and vacation home owners, naturally the beaches are going to be more attractive. But the beaches aren't really convenient to the major business centers in the area, and the beach areas generally have an older feel, with 55+ communities.

The tourism is also on a major upswing in the area, with Pinellas posting their highest tourist hotel tax year ever, and Clerawater Beach destined to see well over a thousand new hotel rooms.

And another aspect taken into account is even the Bradenton-Sarasota area, which sees alot of leakage into TPA due to the lack of service and high prices from SRQ. And the area is one of the wealthiest in the state, and has been on an upswing from the housing crash.

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Also, it may be interesting to see if UA eventually ends MCO from CLE. Obviously, it is a bigger tourist destination than the others, but don't F9 and NK operate more frequencies on this route versus the other florida ones? And LAS appears to be the other leisure driven flight remaining with UA despite the 2 ULCC present.


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Quoting TPAfan (Reply 34):
The tourism is also on a major upswing in the area, with Pinellas posting their highest tourist hotel tax year ever, and Clerawater Beach destined to see well over a thousand new hotel rooms.

Thanks for posting the tidbit above This at least in part may support what I read and the new popularity of the west Tampa Bay region St. Pete and Clearwater being in Pinellas county and Tampa in Hillsborough county.

I vaguely remember F9 flew to PIE once for a short time and then left it favoring TPA.
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:33 am

On a side note, UA is cancelling their CLE-DFW, CLE-TPA, CLE-RSW and CLE-FLL routes. These are routes where F9 competes, so they must be doing something right.

As for the LGA flights, the NYC-South Florida route is one of the busiest in the country. They must be trying to cash in there.
 
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Quoting Legend757 (Reply 17):
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Today Frontier is having a $19 clearance sale on CLE short-haul routes. See what I mean about underpricing? The would still sell out their inventory at twice the price.
 
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):
Today Frontier is having a $19 clearance sale on CLE short-haul routes. See what I mean about underpricing? The would still sell out their inventory at twice the price.

Availability of these $19/$29 seats is limited. Some cities its not possible to make a round trip out of $19/$29 fares.
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):
See what I mean about underpricing?

I think the underpricing on routes like TTN-CLE happened with the poor schedule that was set up. It was Tu very early AM, Thu very early AM, Sat evening which didn't make a good schedule. The interesting thing is a couple months ago, I saw high fares on the Tu and Thu AM flights but $42 fares on the Saturday evening flight. However, CLE-PHL and CLE-EWR are generally very high fare routes by US and UA, and unfortunate that low fare service isn't around (outside of trekking down to BWI).

Since F9 has realized that daily is better for attracting pax and better yields, I've wondered why not offer CLE-ILG if TTN is gate/capacity constrained for other routes.

At PHL, the problem (for a CLE-PHL) is US/AA will retaliate. At ILG, the problem is the primitiveness of the airport. It lacks curbside cab service for example, that atleast TTN has to make it somewhat better for pax incoming into the Philly/Delaware Valley/NJ region that might need to take Amtrak or Septa/Greyhound for ILG or NJ Transit for TTN, or just take a cab to a nearby hotel, before possibly going with Enterprise the next day.

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Quoting Legend757 (Reply 17):
Some markets that NK doesn't serve that I think are worth a try for F9 are RDU, BNA, CMH, JAX (instead of UST), BDL, AUS and SAT.

F9 (in its current form) lasted at CMH with CMH-TTN about as long as some of these now-cut CLE routes did. Granted, given how they appear to be willing to shake things up, I guess it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to see them come back.

CMH-UST might be worth revisiting, because I think it was full every time I took it on Skybus.
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Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 40):
I think the underpricing on routes like TTN-CLE happened with the poor schedule that was set up.

They were burning up bits and pieces of aircraft and crew time left over before and after longer haul flights. I think you are right that building schedules to suit the plane not the passengers (the old Eastern Airlines model) doesn't work so well these days especially on competitive routes.
 
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):
See what I mean about underpricing? The would still sell out their inventory at twice the price.

That didn't happen on TTN-CLE - they couldn't fill the planes.

Even at your claimed "too-low" fares, the load factor in August was 76.8%. For TTN-RDU l/f was 91% and on TTN-ATL the load factor was 93% plus.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 40):
I think the underpricing on routes like TTN-CLE happened with the poor schedule that was set up. It was Tu very early AM, Thu very early AM, Sat evening which didn't make a good schedule.

TTN-ATL has - and had - a very early morning departure, 6 am in both directions.

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Quoting mariner (Reply 43):
TTN-ATL has - and had - a very early morning departure, 6 am in both directions.

Yes, but the service is near daily which makes a difference. Many fly out Monday morning for work for example, moreso than Tuesday morning. ATL is also a larger market and there is benefit (for Frontier) that Southwest doesn't fly EWR-ATL and UA/DL are charging high out of EWR.

TTN-RDU also had the benefit of starting and mostly keeping a solid morning oriented schedule and closer to daily. I think TTN-RDU wouldn't have lasted if it was just 3x weekly at the former TTN-CLE schedule.

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Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:44 pm

Short haul flights at less than daily schedules just don't work for consumers. Passengers are highly unlikely to adjust a trip that's a 5-6 hour drive against 3 awkwardly timed flights per week. For CLE-TTN it was impossible to make a weekend trip out of the flights, how can a 9pm Saturday departure stand a chance of being successful?

I think F9 quickly realized their mistake at adding so many less than daily departures across the eastern half of the U.S. as many of these routes being discussed were cut before they even started or immediately thereafter and F9 transitioned to less destinations with daily frequencies.

No shock if UA is cutting those destinations from CLE. UA's 2 daily RJ flights to DFW didn't stand a chance against 4x mainline AA, 1x NK, and 1x F9. Likewise UA can't compete on price sensitive leisure routes to Florida with two ULCC operators on them.

UA continues to hand off more business to Frontier at CLE.
 
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RE: Frontier Reducing Destinations From/to CLE

Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 44):
I think TTN-RDU wouldn't have lasted if it was just 3x weekly at the former TTN-CLE schedule.

Nothing at TTN began as daily. The whole TTN expansion was based on less than daily. ATL began as 4 x.

MCO didn't make daily until last winter and TTN-RDU was reduced from its original schedule until the route had grown enough to support 6 x - and then, eventually, daily.

TTN-MKE - at 3 x weekly - had a load factor (August) of 93%, so obviously, there is rather more to this restructure than filling the planes. The constrained fleet may have at least something to do with it.

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[Edited 2014-12-05 11:03:26]
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RE: Frontier Reducing Destinations From/to CLE

Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:05 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 46):
Nothing at TTN began as daily.
TTN-RDU started at 6x weekly (which is closer to 7 weekly or daily than 0, while CLE started at 2 briefly rose to 4x weekly than settled at 3x weekly but at peculiar scheduling).

http://news.flyfrontier.com/press-re...%E2%80%93-princetontrenton-service

I know you disagree, but in my opinion having near daily service makes more itineries possible for more pax and it helped launched the route to get repeat customers. At the RDU side, F9 wasn't even a familiar airline.

[Edited 2014-12-05 11:08:09]
 
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RE: Frontier Reducing Destinations From/to CLE

Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 47):
TTN-RDU started at 6x weekly (which is closer to 7 than 0, while CLE started at 3 closer to 0).

As above, TTN-RDU was then reduced to 5 x until the route had grown.

If daily is the answer, why is CVG-IAD coming back as 3 x and IAD-MEM as 4 x (up from 3 x)?

TTN-MSP was 4 x - and is coming back as daily, because the demand was so strong.

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[Edited 2014-12-05 11:09:11]
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RE: Frontier Reducing Destinations From/to CLE

Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:12 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 48):
As above, TTN-RDU was then reduced to 5 x until the route had grown.

5x weekly is still more workable and closer to daily. Below 4x weekly, it's closer to the side of 0 than 7, and it can be difficult for pax to fly the airline when the timing doesn't work.

I don't know about CVG-IAD but it helps that Southwest isn't in CVG and not flying CVG-BWI for low fares between CVG and WAS, but instead on DAY-BWI. WAS can be destinational during the summer if pax are interested in visiting DC. F9 may have more capacity for flights out of both CVG and IAD than TTN and maybe the room was there in scheduling for the 3x weekly there.

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