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AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:24 pm

Looks like the fleet upgrade plan at AA is starting to leak out. The article is kind of vague and I have yet to find an official press release.

Highlights:
1. PTVs will continue to be installed on new aircraft, except for a 'handful.'
2. PMUS A319s will get new seats, MCE (24 seats), and POWER. No PTVs.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...rovide-cushy-seats-onboard-tv.html

[Edited 2014-12-06 12:40:06]

[Edited 2014-12-06 12:40:20]
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:54 pm

I think official press release or maybe more details will come Monday. PMUS A319s are more than a "handful" in terms of not getting the PTV. But if ALL the A321s, 320s and remaining 737-800s are getting it then I guess that will equal "handful"...hopefully more will be said on Monday.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:57 pm

Since all the 319s has wifi...no PTV's is a sweet compromise as long as the fleet has power outlets!!!
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:04 pm

Quoting graham697 (Thread starter):
PMUS A319s will get new seats, MCE (24 seats), and POWER. No PTVs.

So does this mean that the US 319s are about to get super cramped a la the AA 319s?
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:06 pm

Would be REALLY nice for AA to provide a consistent hard product once the dust settles, but I guess that makes too much sense... (shakes head)
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:05 am

More of Parkers penny pinching. So instead of a consistent product we now have PTV roulette. New AA, same poor decisions.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:11 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 5):
More of Parkers penny pinching. So instead of a consistent product we now have PTV roulette. New AA, same poor decisions.

How is this penny-pinching? IT seems that all but one mainline narrowbody type are being outfitted with better entertainment options and at least one (I'm assuming all of them) are getting MCE as well. The 757s are getting lie flats and they are planning to add WiFi to the regionals as well. While nothing honestly groundbreaking or original, I'd hardly call this penny-pinching.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:30 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 6):
While nothing honestly groundbreaking or original, I'd hardly call this penny-pinching.

Yeah I agree that I don't think that it SAVES cost. I just feel like it's another let down from AA. Not having PTVS on every and all aircraft is honestly annoying and to me, makes no logical sense. If AA is rebranding themselves as a better airline, and with all the new technology their using to do that, I can't understand why there doing this. I'm a huge fan of what AA is becoming but this really disapoints me.

Does it have anything to do with the routes those aircraft are going to be flying?
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:47 am

Quoting americanfan123 (Reply 7):
I can't understand why there doing this. I'm a huge fan of what AA is becoming but this really disapoints me.

I imagine it's because of the average length of the routes that their a319s fly. Many of them are concentrated on shorter east coasts routes. They fly some longer routes out of all the hubs, especially PHX, but I guess they think it's not worth it with the wifi and the power ports. Similar to how Delta only has wifi and power ports in the 717s and MD-90s (and only wifi in the MD-88s).  
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:54 am

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 1):
PMUS A319s are more than a "handful" in terms of not getting the PTV. But if ALL the A321s, 320s and remaining 737-800s are getting it then I guess that will equal "handful"...hopefully more will be said on Monday.

Maybe I am reading what was written wrong but to me new aircraft means newly delivered....I'm not sure if that means retrofitting them onto the existing fleet.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:56 am

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 1):
PMUS A319s are more than a "handful" in terms of not getting the PTV.

The article mentions that all but a handful of new aircraft will be getting PTVs. The LUS A319s have been in the fleet for quite some time now.

I would imagine that the handful are the LUS A321s that are being delivered in the LUS configuration.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:04 am

Just flew on a AA A319 and no one really purchased the system...it was like 7.99 to activate the screen just a waste of money to add this to the fleet.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:22 am

I'm curious what seat will go in these "lie-flat" 757s. All of the current international 757s (AA and US) have angled flat seats.
So will this be them rearranged, use the seat from the 772 refit, the 763 refit, the 77W, the 787, something else?
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 12):
I'm curious what seat will go in these "lie-flat" 757s. All of the current international 757s (AA and US) have angled flat seats.

Just a guess but I'm assuming they'll be the same seat that's in J on the A321 Transcon fleet (the same as UA's PS 757s).

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
Maybe I am reading what was written wrong but to me new aircraft means newly delivered....I'm not sure if that means retrofitting them onto the existing fleet.

All new delivery AA a/c have PTVs, and I'm guessing that some point in the future new delivery US a/c will too complete with the full AA interior. The "handful" that won't are likely the ones with delivery positions too early to be changed.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 5):

More of Parkers penny pinching. So instead of a consistent product we now have PTV roulette. New AA, same poor decisions.

Really no different than DL or UA. And keep in mind AA has ~200 737 a/c that were never destined to get PTVs, so the "roulette" was there before Parker came around.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
So does this mean that the US 319s are about to get super cramped a la the AA 319s?

At least you won't have the same old crappy service. I also don't find that the A319s all that cramped.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:46 pm

Quoting COalways (Reply 11):
Just flew on a AA A319 and no one really purchased the system...it was like 7.99 to activate the screen just a waste of money to add this to the fleet.

How long a flight was it? Because less people are going to pay for the system on a shorter flight.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:26 pm

I'll be happy when the 738's/757 (upgraded seats) are gone from these planes. These seats in F are horrendous. They are glorified coach seats that are extremely hard, upright, and the design is not conducive to comfort in anyway. I would normally pay for F, but when a 738 is involved, it's really not worth it. I'll play the upgrade roulette instead. Bring back the MD80 F seats, these I find so much more comforting.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:33 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 15):
Quoting COalways (Reply 11):
Just flew on a AA A319 and no one really purchased the system...it was like 7.99 to activate the screen just a waste of money to add this to the fleet.

How long a flight was it? Because less people are going to pay for the system on a shorter flight.

It is not $7.99 to activate the screen. There is a significant amount of free content (mostly TV shows through AA's partnership with the NBCUniversal family of channels) and there is paid content that starts at $4.99. Everything is free if the flight is international.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:42 pm

I believe, but am not certain, that the 752s are getting the B/E Aerospace Diamond, found on DL BusinessElite 752s and UA PS birds as well as a good portion of United's international fleet.

763s/772s are going to get the B/E Contour sleeper suite, which is found on all Delta international 763s and 764s.

What about the 330s, though? They use a version of the Weber Cirrus suite (also found on the 773s and A321Ts in J and F, respectively), which was very comfortable and spacious in my opinion. I hope they just reskin them in black leather, or something.

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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 18):
763s/772s are going to get the B/E Contour sleeper suite, which is found on all Delta international 763s and 764s.

No, they are not. The 772s (and 787s) are getting a seat designed in-house and used exclusively by American Airlines.

Those B/E Contour seats absolutely suck, but it's all that really fits on a 763 to give all-aisle access. And fortunately AA upholstered them nicely with cloth, not leather.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:30 pm

If AA is designing the seat, who is manufacturing it?
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:10 am

I figured this would happen. It is not surprising considering how US Airways was run the last few years. I remember the time they discontinued free non-alcoholic drinks domestically and then retracted that idea. I understand it is expensive to outfit the entire fleet with PTVs, but NONE of the LUS domestic fleet are getting them. That's over 100 A321s that will not be consistent with the rest of the fleet and many of those fly transcons. This "news" article is just stating facts about a plan that was already in place before the merger for the most part. Disappointing but not unexpected news from Doug Parker and his penny pinching team. It will be two completely different products under one airline because the LUS planes will not be getting any of the upgrades.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:19 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):

It is not $7.99 to activate the screen. There is a significant amount of free content (mostly TV shows through AA's partnership with the NBCUniversal family of channels)

It did seem strange to me that they would charge to use the screens, but since I've never ridden on an AA plane with the PTVs I had no grounds to say otherwise.

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 21):
Disappointing but not unexpected news from Doug Parker and his penny pinching team. It will be two completely different products under one airline because the LUS planes will not be getting any of the upgrades.

Where does the article say that the LUS planes aren't getting any PTVs?
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:23 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
I also don't find that the A319s all that cramped.

Are you sitting in regular Y?

At just 30", AA's 319 seat pitch is the worst amongst the majors, and a step backwards from US's 319 configuration.

I didn't really think this was a point of contention considering how much people complain about the AA 319 configuration.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:06 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
At just 30", AA's 319 seat pitch is the worst amongst the majors, and a step backwards from US's 319 configuration.


Which I find mildly amusing considering AA loyalists will do everything they can to nitpick everything possible about PMUS-down to the look of the FA uniforms to the carpet in CLT, while they overlook that US still has 32'' of pitch on their A321s, and 31'' on all other Airbus narrowbodies. And because US hasn't installed slim-line seats in YCL, the seats are more plush and tend to have more padding.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 13):

Really no different than DL or UA. And keep in mind AA has ~200 737 a/c that were never destined to get PTVs, so the "roulette" was there before Parker came around.

not completely true for Delta. Right now that is the case but the plan will be that you wont get a mixed fleet.

Ie all 757, 737s, 319s and 321s will have PTVs.
all MD88, MD90, 717 and A320 will NOT have PTVs.

AA is going to have some 738s with, some without. Some 319s with, some with out.

As Delta found out when they played that game with some 737/757s having PTVs with some not....it becomes a spot where you get emails from PAX asking why the JFK-PHX flight had no IFE(or no PTVs) but the SLC-PHX had PTVs. (or you really hurt your utilization)

I am not really sure why AA wont put PTVs on some of the newer 737/32S but some is better than none.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:03 am

Be curious to see if anything is done to upgrade economy on the 763s. Previously they had said no, here's hoping that changed. That is by far the biggest current cabin upgrade need AA has.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:25 pm

Office press release:

* Fully lie-flat J on longhaul 757s
* New F/Y seats on A319s, including 24 MCE and powerports (completed by 2016)
* Satellite wifi added to all longhaul aircraft (757, 767, 777, 787, A330)
* Upgraded furniture and food in Admirals Clubs
* Rolling out new ticket counter layouts around the system, plus 400 new kiosks throughout airports and 500 more workbenches with power outlets in gate areas
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:04 pm

Not really much news there:
* ~93 LUS 319s get new seats, but no PTV to match LAA
*~35 757s (16 LUS + 18 LAA) get new F + WiFi
* Everything else is old news

Love to know how they came up with $2bn for this.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 28):
* ~93 LUS 319s get new seats, but no PTV to match LAA

Now why do only the A319s get the new seats?

Thinking about it now though, I believe the vast majority of LUS A320s and A321s now are fitted with new LUS YCL seat.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 28):
Not really much news there:
* ~93 LUS 319s get new seats, but no PTV to match LAA
*~35 757s (16 LUS + 18 LAA) get new F + WiFi
* Everything else is old news

Love to know how they came up with $2bn for this.

I thought the 763s were getting new seats in coach as well. Other improvement through out the system include updating the Admiral's Clubs (CLT, for example, does not have showers) and other changes at airports. I'm sure that $2B is on the high side, but I can see the estimate. Yet I do agree with much of this is old news. I tend to think that AA is overselling this to its customers. They tend to raise expectations, and then passengers become disappointed when the expectations are not met.

I am not that concerned about the PTV issue. I bring my own entertainment, as do many passengers. I tend to find what the airlines provide to be hit or miss.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:19 pm

So what is happening to the older 737-800s, PUS A320 and PUS A321? Will they get the new seats, power and all or what?
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:25 pm

A couple of other points.

1. Most of the LUS a320 family will get wireless entertainment added. I assume that means entertainment to your IPad that won't be charged for...making the IPad kind of like a seat back ptv.

2. For the higher end customers...AA will use Cadillacs to transport them to connecting flights. This sounds really good in theory and in places like DFW I can see thiis somewhat working....but how good is it really going to be in practice.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 24):
Which I find mildly amusing considering AA loyalists will do everything they can to nitpick everything possible about PMUS-down to the look of the FA uniforms to the carpet in CLT, while they overlook that US still has 32'' of pitch on their A321s, and 31'' on all other Airbus narrowbodies. And because US hasn't installed slim-line seats in YCL, the seats are more plush and tend to have more padding.

Okay, but that doesn't negate the fact that, indeed, USAirways did - and does - have inferior product and service offerings in several areas. Having now flown on USAirways multiple times, over multiple routes and hubs, my experience is that USAirways' IT system is absolutely inferior (takes way longer to do relatively simple things compared to nAAtive SABRE) and its airports aren't as nice.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 25):
not completely true for Delta. Right now that is the case but the plan will be that you wont get a mixed fleet.

Ie all 757, 737s, 319s and 321s will have PTVs.
all MD88, MD90, 717 and A320 will NOT have PTVs.

True, although the net effect is the same - within a few years, a substantial portion of both AA's and Delta's domestic fleets will be flying around with PTVs, and a substantial portion will not.

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 28):
Love to know how they came up with $2bn for this.
Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 30):
I'm sure that $2B is on the high side, but I can see the estimate.

I thought the same thing - $2B seems quite high for what's described here.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 30):
I am not that concerned about the PTV issue. I bring my own entertainment, as do many passengers. I tend to find what the airlines provide to be hit or miss.

  

Agreed - as nice as the new AA jets with PTVs are in many ways, the more I travel the less I see the need for PTVs - at least on domestic routes. I agree that it's simply not competitive on longhaul flights to not offer free PTVs at every seat, but on domestic routes, the it seems the propensity for customers to provide their own entertainment only continues to increase with each passing month.

Plus, I agree that the price for the IFE on the new jets is too high, as well, and in any event I'm just frankly happier to load up my iPad with my own movies, TV shows, podcasts, etc. As such, I think that, frankly, wifi and powerports are and should be the far higher priority on domestic/narrowbody aircraft.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:08 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 21):

I figured this would happen. It is not surprising considering how US Airways was run the last few years. I remember the time they discontinued free non-alcoholic drinks domestically and then retracted that idea. I understand it is expensive to outfit the entire fleet with PTVs, but NONE of the LUS domestic fleet are getting them. That's over 100 A321s that will not be consistent with the rest of the fleet and many of those fly transcons. This "news" article is just stating facts about a plan that was already in place before the merger for the most part. Disappointing but not unexpected news from Doug Parker and his penny pinching team. It will be two completely different products under one airline because the LUS planes will not be getting any of the upgrades.

I'm not defending Doug Parker, but there may be a lot more cost to installing PTVs than simply getting seats with TV screens.

When AA did the major cabin refurbishments in the late 1990s (most of the fleet got seats with adjustable headrests), the question was whether the MD-80 fleet would get any sort of IFE, since those planes were flying a lot of longer routes, especially ORD-West Coast.

Management considered it, but the planes were never wired for audio. So putting in IFE wasn't simply buying new seats with outlets for the earphones. The hardware and wiring had to be installed. That would have meant a lot of money, more time out of service, and adding weight to the aircraft.

When you start retrofitting IFE into planes that weren't delivered with IFE, it's more complex than it appears. People in finance have probably figured out how much it would cost to put PTVs into PMUS Airbus narrowbodies, as well as the PMAA 738s that were delivered without PTVs. Remember that Boeing doesn't have an upgrade kit to put the BSI into 738s that were delivered without BSI. So, there may be an evaluation that led to putting PTV in BSI 738s, while leaving PTVs out of the non-BSI 738s.

This shows you how technology changes quickly and makes it hard to deal with older airplanes.

I learned on December 25th last year that a PS4 gaming system, unlike an older Wii, doesn't work with a television using a cathode ray tube. So, I had to buy a new HDTV on December 26th.

Quoting apodino (Reply 32):
2. For the higher end customers...AA will use Cadillacs to transport them to connecting flights. This sounds really good in theory and in places like DFW I can see thiis somewhat working....but how good is it really going to be in practice.

I read that and wondered why the airports that will eventually have this service are LAX, JFK, LGA, and DFW. It seems to me that MIA and ORD ought to be included, especially ORD.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):
Okay, but that doesn't negate the fact that, indeed, USAirways did - and does - have inferior product and service offerings in several areas.

And unfortunately one of those areas - offering inedible premium class meals - is now on PMAA.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):
Okay, but that doesn't negate the fact that, indeed, USAirways did - and does - have inferior product and service offerings in several areas. Having now flown on USAirways multiple times, over multiple routes and hubs, my experience is that USAirways' IT system is absolutely inferior (takes way longer to do relatively simple things compared to nAAtive SABRE) and its airports aren't as nice.

I'll give you that. SHARES is such an inferior system that I don't understand why US changed over from Sabre when they merged with HP.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 34):
the question was whether the MD-80 fleet would get any sort of IFE, since those planes were flying a lot of longer routes, especially ORD-West Coast.

Management considered it, but the planes were never wired for audio

IIRC, I thought plans were confirmed to add IFE to the MD-80 fleet, and the contract was down to two different suppliers. 9/11 supposedly canceled those plans.

Honestly, it would probably be cheaper to add LCD drop-down monitors back to the LUS fleet, as I am sure some of the hardware is still there.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:31 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
* Satellite wifi added to all longhaul aircraft (757, 767, 777, 787, A330)

Wifi on the 767 is going to be a major upgrade. My last trip on a retrofitted 767 on JFK-ZRH was horrific, and I was devastated to learn they had not added wifi... Flights to Europe will become much more bearable...
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 34):
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 25):
not completely true for Delta. Right now that is the case but the plan will be that you wont get a mixed fleet.

Ie all 757, 737s, 319s and 321s will have PTVs.
all MD88, MD90, 717 and A320 will NOT have PTVs.

True, although the net effect is the same - within a few years, a substantial portion of both AA's and Delta's domestic fleets will be flying around with PTVs, and a substantial portion will not.

It's not the same effect. Every DL 73W/738/739/319/321/757/753/763/764/332/333/777/747 will have AVOD and, unless there's an aircraft sub into a 717/M88/M90/320, a passenger in every cabin can expect it. It won't be AA's 'Did I get a lucky 319?' roulette.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
And unfortunately one of those areas - offering inedible premium class meals - is now on PMAA.

Oh, for crying out loud. The F meals on AA are just not as bad as you and all the whiners on FlyerTalk are making them out to be. It's hilarious to listen to everyone lose their minds over not getting a bread plate or having to suffer through a meal without a linen tablecloth. The most unpopular of the changes were rolled back a month ago and besides, I thought all your business went to VX the moment AA implemented the meal adjustments.

For most business passengers, loyalty is driven by network, schedule, and benefits, not by the quality of a printed menu or availability of an ice cream sundae. Now, if AA could guarantee that its long-haul flight attendants actually wanted to be at work and could follow SOPs through an entire flight, that might be a REAL selling point.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 39):
The most unpopular of the changes were rolled back a month ago and besides,

No, they weren't. The meals remain of incredibly poor quality. AA claims the quality will be "improving shortly" (shooting down your theory that people are okay with it), but nothing yet other than improved "lite bites" sandwiches, which are served on flights that should be getting full meals in the first place.

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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 36):

HP management thimking their way is better. And this same scenario would be repeated by yet another airline merger that involved that trash known as SHARES.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:04 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
And unfortunately one of those areas - offering inedible premium class meals - is now on PMAA.

AA's 1st class meals are a whole lot better than the bag (ok, two bags) of Snyder's pretzels I got in 1st on US from CLT to LGA. I get that it's a short flight, but it departed at 6PM. I thought they'd at least have warm nuts in the ramekins to offer by now.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:24 am

Quoting global2 (Reply 42):
AA's 1st class meals are a whole lot better than the bag (ok, two bags) of Snyder's pretzels I got in 1st on US from CLT to LGA. I get that it's a short flight, but it departed at 6PM. I thought they'd at least have warm nuts in the ramekins to offer by now.

When AA flew CLTLGA prior to the merger, AA served a meal on this route, on an RJ.

Now you still get those pretzels. I don't think it qualifies for the "warm nuts" threshold, because apparently it's too difficult to heat up warm nuts on flights under 2 hours.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:35 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Those B/E Contour seats absolutely suck, but it's all that really fits on a 763 to give all-aisle access.

Not necessarily true, have you seen UA's GlobalFirst Suite? 1000x better than the B/E Contour, and they fit six of them in front of the J cabin on their 763s. Granted, it's a very large seat, but it's packed with storage space, nice padding, and a huge IFE screen.



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And fortunately AA upholstered them nicely with cloth, not leather.

Well, it's reassuring to see that they're not cowhide. I find leather seats to be much harder than equivalent cloth-upholstered hard products.

Quoting apodino (Reply 32):
For the higher end customers...AA will use Cadillacs to transport them to connecting flights. This sounds really good in theory and in places like DFW I can see thiis somewhat working....but how good is it really going to be in practice.

This is referring to ConciergeKey, the highest status level for AA, which is completely invite-only. Considering the limited number of these FFs, it's not like they'll have a huge issue with it. DL already does this in JFK for their "Delta 360" members, except with Porsche Carrera sedans.

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):

At just 30", AA's 319 seat pitch is the worst amongst the majors, and a step backwards from US's 319 configuration.

Oh my, have you seen the legroom in F? I'm barely six feet tall and very skinny, and my knees were eight inches from the seat infront of me in first class in the two examples I've ridden in (N749US and N819AW). Not sure about the AA 319s, but from I've heard, they're really nice.

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 39):
It's hilarious to listen to everyone lose their minds over not getting a bread plate or having to suffer through a meal without a linen tablecloth.

I was on AA first class on ORD-DFW on a dinner flight (MD80 N490AA), and we got the whole shebang: ramekins of warm nuts, warm bread selection, main course, selection between cookie or some other warmed pastry, and finally a mint service to finish. The elderly PMAA flight attendant was somewhat vocally lambasting US catering, stating that AA used to bake the cookies and pastries fresh on board, but now they're warmed up frozen treats. On the bright side, it was possibly the most thorough domestic F flight I've ever flown on (excluding FF 772 suites), and the purser came around with the flight manifest to tell us our connecting gates in DFW ("Mr. McCormack, (*with a big smile*) I'd like to thank you for flying American Airlines. I see you're going to Miami. Your gate is D21, ride the train all the way to Terminal D, it's in the center of the atrium"). But I have to say that I've had GREAT flight attendants, pilots, and ground agents on both sides. It'd really be a shame for the work groups to squabble and drag down the customer experience in the process.

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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:39 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 44):
Not sure about the AA 319s, but from I've heard, they're really nice.

I've actually heard the exact opposite. And based on pictures I've seen, the AA a319 F seats are horribly narrow.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:12 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 41):
HP management thimking their way is better. And this same scenario would be repeated by yet another airline merger that involved that trash known as SHARES.

HP back in it's hayday was pretty nice in F. I flew CMH-PHX on a 320 in 2004 and we had linens, full meal service with salad to start and hot cookies to finish. I was quite impressed. IF everyone will remember back, HP had video screens, and even meal services in Y class. Another example, I got a bagel with cream cheese, fruit, and yogurt on an IAH-PHX flight in Y in 2001. Everything service-wise went downhill after the US Merger. Not saying US was bad either, I flew them PIT-SAN in 2001 and received a very upscale dinner in Y class.
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 44):
Oh my, have you seen the legroom in F?

Yes, I've been fortunate to spend a lot of my flying time up front on the US 319s. 37" of seat pitch has been plenty for me. I honestly do not think I would notice much difference between the 37" pitch on the US birds compared to the 38" pitch on the AA birds. 8" in front of my knees versus 9" still means my knees aren't coming close to touching the seat in front of me.

I would absolutely notice the 30" pitch in coach though. Yikes!

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 44):
It'd really be a shame for the work groups to squabble and drag down the customer experience in the process.

I'll go one better - I don't want to see it ever. I think it's unacceptable to complain about your job in front of customers, regardless of the industry.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:34 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):

True, although the net effect is the same - within a few years, a substantial portion of both AA's and Delta's domestic fleets will be flying around with PTVs, and a substantial portion will not.

but that isn't really true at all.

With Delta you will book a flight and know that, outside of some kind of sub to a different aircraft type, if you will or wont have AVOD.

With UA and AA its a crap shoot. Most of the time a tail isn't assigned to a route till you get to 2-3 days out. So you will be playing the game of what 737 do I get? 738 with VOD, 738 without? 319 with VOD, 319 without?

I would like to see at least some of the newer frames at US configured with AVOD, as well as some of the older (but not oldest) 738s.
 
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RE: AA/US Fleet Upgrade Plan

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:21 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 12):
I'm curious what seat will go in these "lie-flat" 757s. All of the current international 757s (AA and US) have angled flat seats.

And will it be the same 20 international 757s AA has, or a new subfleet of other aircraft?

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 26):
Be curious to see if anything is done to upgrade economy on the 763s. Previously they had said no, here's hoping that changed. That is by far the biggest current cabin upgrade need AA has.

   The main cabin on the 757 fleet is starting to show its age, too.

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
* Fully lie-flat J on longhaul 757s
* New F/Y seats on A319s, including 24 MCE and powerports (completed by 2016)
* Satellite wifi added to all longhaul aircraft (757, 767, 777, 787, A330)

With Wi-Fi and power ports, I can do without a PTV, especially if AA implements a streaming entertainment option on aircraft without PTVs.

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