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Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:14 am

The New York Times says that they came to JFK from Britain on a commercial flight. Anyone know what carrier? Thanks!
 
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Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:25 am

British Airways:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ble-charm-offensive-Big-Apple.html

"William and Kate travelled with their entourage, which totals seven in all plus security, on a scheduled British Airways flight into JKF airport, which arrived 15 minutes late at 5pm. "

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:16 am

The New York Times says that they came to JFK from Britain on a commercial flight. Anyone know what carrier? Thanks!

Yeah they flew on Ryanair  
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:05 am

Norwegian of course!  duck 

In the past they have taken Easyjet to ski vacations. But of course for an official trip they take British Airways.

[Edited 2014-12-08 00:06:16]
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:48 pm

The Daily Mail is reporting they arrived on a commercial flight and that they arrived at 5 pm, fifteen minutes late.

I think the flight may have been BA177 operated by 744 G-CIVF.

Flightaware is reporting that this flight arrived at 16:34 on 7 December compared to a scheduled arrival at 16:15.

So that flight was certainly a quarter of an hour late (having left LHR 31 minutes late). By the time it had taxied to the terminal, docked and the Duke and Duchess had disembarked it would be close to the Mail's '5.00 pm'.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:53 pm

What happens when Royalty take a commercial flight - do they book out the whole of First class? If so, how much would that cost and how much time in advance would they book it? What would happen to the passengers who are already booked onto the flight? Just moved onto another one?

Return First class fares with BA to NYC are around £5000 aren't they? So 14 seats x £5000 is 70K - wouldn't it be cheaper to hire a private jet??
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:01 pm

Does any one think the royals pay the published fare? The bragging rights that they flew BA is priceless. Virgin would love have flown Wills and Kate.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
do they book out the whole of First class?

I know when the Queen came to NZ last time NZ removed all the seats up from and installed a special cabin with a bed. When they (Queen and other Royals on official business) are in NZ the NZ govt picks up the tab for the entire trip as they are here as our Head of State. Ditto for most other commonwealth countries which still have them as Heads of State.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
If so, how much would that cost and how much time in advance would they book it?

Official State visits are known about years in advance, I'm sure booking flights is taken care of 12 months or more out from departure.

When they travel privately it's probably different. In Norway I've been on a couple of flights with the Clown Prince and his wifey, they've always take the first couple of rows with security sitting behind, then the rest of us behind them.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
What happens when Royalty take a commercial flight - do they book out the whole of First class?

Last time Prince William was in the USA (on a private visit) he flew economy in a crowded cabin. Here is a link to a report and photo:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...merican-airlines-article-1.1781300
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Return First class fares with BA to NYC are around £5000 aren't they? So 14 seats x £5000 is 70K - wouldn't it be cheaper to hire a private jet??

Probably, but it's a question of image as well to fly a commercial, normal aircraft, instead of an exclusive one...

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:13 pm

Honestly. As cool as it would be, I don't know if the hassle would be worthwhile. Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

Just adds to everyone else inconveniences.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):
Honestly. As cool as it would be, I don't know if the hassle would be worthwhile. Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

Just adds to everyone else inconveniences.

That's what I thought too - more hassle than it's worth, just to be seen on a 'normal' flight. Just get a private jet and be done with it. No one REALLY cares. Besides, 'normal' people get private jets too.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:48 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
What happens when Royalty take a commercial flight - do they book out the whole of First class?
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Return First class fares with BA to NYC are around £5000 aren't they?

The BBC reported that their entourage amounted to seven people [not sure if that included the Duke and Duchess] so wouldn't need a full F cabin - but who knows BA might have opted to keep the riff raff away and not sell the remaining seats.

The cheapest return published F with BA is approx. £10k, so your estimate of £70k still holds good despite the smaller number of people. Presumably whatever deal they had with BA means that a private jet was not a goof financial option - not to mention the fact that it wouldn't be seen as politically correct for them to get above themselves and fly in an exclusive jet.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:53 pm

If they paid full published fare (which they wouldn't) even a modest midsize jet for 8 Pax and baggage would be getting on for double that for a States Trip, so good for them I say.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:08 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):
Honestly. As cool as it would be, I don't know if the hassle would be worthwhile. Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

Just adds to everyone else inconveniences.

Just a little note - i was actually on a plane with William, flew from Aberdeen to LHR, this was a few years back now - maybe 10 or so. When he was at university at Aberdeen. I didn't even know he was on the plane until we parked up at LHR, noticed a couple of posh cars waiting by our stand and saw him leave the plane 1st and get in one.

I know it was only a domestic flight - but from a security and hassle point of view - we didn't even know he was on our plane...
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:20 pm

Quoting lhrlocal (Reply 14):
I know it was only a domestic flight - but from a security and hassle point of view - we didn't even know he was on our plane...

That still doesn't imply that they didn't impose additional security. Frisked a few more passengers than usual. Not sold seats that they normally would have. Slightly altered boarding. Etc.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):
Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

Just adds to everyone else inconveniences.

I do not think this is the case. Being discrete is much more effective than creating a security menagerie that catches every one's attention. For example when the US President has flown into LHR the airport is, at the request of his security advisors, closed to other traffic. Of course this cessation of air traffic movements would enable any waiting terrorist to identify Air Force One without even seeing it.

Here is a report about President Bush's arrival at LHR in June 2008:


'The disruption began the week before the visit when armoured cars arrived at the airport - which led to 60-minute delays for some passengers - and four helicopters were involved a major rehearsal ahead of the visit.

'On the day the airport was effectively closed down for a period of time. And the aircraft "flow rate" was reduced from the usual 42 planes an hour to just 24, causing a backlog that took six to seven hours to clear.'


The above is from an explanation in The Telegraph dated 6 March 2009. The article was explaining why President Obama would fly into STN and not LHR in Air Force One over three weeks later for his visit starting 31 March.

If you are seeking a high level of security closing a major airport or publishing details of the arrival almost a month in advance does seem to me to be a little indiscrete.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:15 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 16):
I do not think this is the case. Being discrete is much more effective than creating a security menagerie that catches every one's attention. For example when the US President has flown into LHR the airport is, at the request of his security advisors, closed to other traffic. Of course this cessation of air traffic movements would enable any waiting terrorist to identify Air Force One without even seeing it.

Being discreet? The royal's visit has been all over the NY papers here for the last week or so. Most of us could have guessed they were coming on BA, and it was indicated they were set to arrive yesterday (Dec. 7) so that really narrows down the flights.

My guess is that a lot of behind the scenes security was going on, and I would not be surprised if the other guests of this flight were reviewed and potentially subject to additional security measures, even if they were unaware of it. William is second in line to the throne, so it would be extremely prudent of the Royal Family, if not the United Kingdom as a whole, to ensure their flight was a safe one.
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 17):
eing discreet? The royal's visit has been all over the NY papers here for the last week or so. Most of us could have guessed they were coming on BA, and it was indicated they were set to arrive yesterday (Dec. 7) so that really narrows down the flights.

They could just as easily travelled on VS, Junior members of the Royal family move in the same circles as SRB''s children.

Just by sticking to either BA or VS metal, not code shares they would have a choice of 16 flights from LHR to either JFK or NEW, plus 2 flights from LCY to JFK
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:48 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):
Honestly. As cool as it would be, I don't know if the hassle would be worthwhile. Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

I should think almost everyone on board noticed nothing until they landed or even after. They would have board at the last minute, taken their seats and the flight would have departed as if nothing unusual happened. The Royals are pretty regular travellers and apart from State visits with the full ceremonial, often travel just as you and I do (including on EasyJet).

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 12):
The BBC reported that their entourage amounted to seven people [not sure if that included the Duke and Duchess] so wouldn't need a full F cabin - but who knows BA might have opted to keep the riff raff away and not sell the remaining seats.

You're assuming that their group all flew in First, I doubt that and fully expect that other seats were occupied by regular passengers. Indeed over on Flyer Talk there is a comment from someone who was sat a few rows behind them.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Does any one think the royals pay the published fare? The bragging rights that they flew BA is priceless. Virgin would love have flown Wills and Kate.

Almost certainly not, the Palace and the Royal Family get discounts on all sorts of trade!

[Edited 2014-12-08 11:03:40]
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:26 pm

Something that may surprise a few non UK people is that the Queen often travels to Sandringham from London by public train. Again beyond one of the two first class compartments per 4 coach EMU (12 seats behind the driver's cabs) being closed, I doubt anyone is aware that HMQ is aboard. You wouldn't pay attention to that old lady in the mackintosh and headscarf with her very large sons helping her with bags.

[Edited 2014-12-08 11:28:41]
 
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:03 pm

They landed just after 5 p.m. and were photographed outside the Carlyle Hotel around 7. Not a long time in to clear customs!  

The question I have is - if they take a commercial flight is there a military fighter escort along with it for part of the ride?
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:07 pm

Like most Brits (I think it is still most) I am a royalist. That said I do not fawn over them. I am very glad that they are willing to travel in almost the same way I do. Much better to travel BA or VS than to go to the expense of a private plane. That is looking after my Tax pounds.

As far as I know when POTAS flies two 747's are detailed (in case goes US) and then other substantial flights move in the hugely ugly but very well protected limo's and also in many cases more than one presidential helicopter. Now I am not sure that is looking after the Tax dollar.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):
Honestly. As cool as it would be, I don't know if the hassle would be worthwhile. Can anybody imagine security on that flight?

Just adds to everyone else inconveniences.

Barely any hassle, you might not even notice if you were in economy. God forbid you might have another 30 minutes to an hour of inconvenience in your day, how dare the royals not realise how important YOU are!

This applies to people who complain about these things in general, like when the America President visits. They are more important than you, your day can be inconvenienced for a few minutes or even hours, that is how society works. Get over it.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:31 pm

Given it was a 747 they (most likely) travelled on, it would be easy enough to block out the top deck, without having to deprive any other customers of seats. They wouldn't have minded flying business instead of First, and there's still 50 other seats for regular customers - instead of blocking out the whole First class.

They probably checked in at the Royal Suite (for convenience and discretion), and just before departure were driven directly to the gate, straight on to the top deck without anyone noticing. I very much doubt any extra background checks were done, but there may have been a couple of uniformed/non uniformed police hanging around at the check-in and gate before hand keeping an eye out for anything suspicious.

At JFK, either wait for everyone else to disembark (as they all crowd towards the doors anyway) or get ushered off first to waiting vehicles going to a dedicated customs checkpoint. I can't see the reason or likelihood for any other measures.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:10 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 21):
The question I have is - if they take a commercial flight is there a military fighter escort along with it for part of the ride?

Erm, no, we're a bit more relaxed over here than the hysterical amount of fuss that goes around the POTUS when travelling (let alone the inconvenience to everyone else who happens to get in the way).

Quoting bthebest (Reply 24):

Given it was a 747 they (most likely) travelled on, it would be easy enough to block out the top deck, without having to deprive any other customers of seats. They wouldn't have minded flying business instead of First, and there's still 50 other seats for regular customers - instead of blocking out the whole First class.

They were in First, with other paying passengers around them.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:29 pm

The Prince flew to D.C. today to meet with President Obama. Newscast said he flew commercial for this trip as well. DL Shuttle? JetBlue? Anybody know?

[Edited 2014-12-08 13:29:52]
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:55 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 26):
The Prince flew to D.C. today to meet with President Obama. Newscast said he flew commercial for this trip as well. DL Shuttle? JetBlue? Anybody know?

US/AA according to this: http://twitter.com/willypumarol/status/541938030744178688

Anderson Cooper was also on the flight: http://twitter.com/andersoncooper/status/542029447252434944
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:08 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 26):
The Prince flew to D.C. today to meet with President Obama. Newscast said he flew commercial for this trip as well. DL Shuttle? JetBlue? Anybody know?
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 27):
US/AA according to this: http://twitter.com/willypumarol/stat...78688

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:20 pm

I believe it is standard practice when on official state visits, for senior Royals to take BA at every opportunity. BA even has two dedicated 772s to be fitted with the Royal Suite cabin reserved for Her Majesty exclusively. They are the official flag carrier of the nation after all.

I don't think Her Majesty has every flown Virgin on official state visits, like other Senior Royals (of which HRH William and Kate are now).
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:21 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 21):
The question I have is - if they take a commercial flight is there a military fighter escort along with it for part of the ride?

Nope - not even the Queen gets that  
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:56 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 21):
if they take a commercial flight is there a military fighter escort along with it for part of the ride?

Why would there be?

Who is going to attempt to shoot them down?

Inuits? Polar bears?
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:20 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 7):
In Norway I've been on a couple of flights with the Clown Prince and his wifey

Tell me, KiwiRob, was this a typo ("l" and "r" are not sooo close together on most keyboards), a Freudian, or a Republican and Anti Monarchist Intentional? (While I'm neither a Norwegian citizen nor a patriot and, hence, would not feel "politically insulted", my impression is that the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess are both nationally and internationally respected and well estimated persons, and for some good reasons so).

Whatever, Gro Harlem Brundtland once allowed herself, pressed by a tight timetable, to concorde to NYC in order to avoid being late for a scheduled meeting with the US president.

As anybody living up here, where jealousy is a national disease, can imagine, it became a real scandalon and a law was made that government officials and other public employed persons are banned from using planes of type Concorde or similar ("... skal ikke reise med fly av type Concorde eller liknende...").

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting richierich (Reply 28):

Exactly my thoughts !  
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:09 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Return First class fares with BA to NYC are around £5000 aren't they? So 14 seats x £5000 is 70K - wouldn't it be cheaper to hire a private jet??
Quoting StTim (Reply 22):
I am very glad that they are willing to travel in almost the same way I do. Much better to travel BA or VS than to go to the expense of a private plane. That is looking after my Tax pounds.

I know for one particular trip in the past a friend of mine at BA said that royals and their entourage booked in J class, but that BA upgraded the 2 royals flying to First and left the rest of the group in J. He said that's pretty normal, but that it depends who it is and how busy the flight is... I'm not sure how accurate that is in today's world, but it could still happen.

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:02 am

Quoting richierich (Reply 17):
Being discreet? The royal's visit has been all over the NY papers here for the last week or so. Most of us could have guessed they were coming on BA, and it was indicated they were set to arrive yesterday (Dec. 7) so that really narrows down the flights.

My guess is that a lot of behind the scenes security was going on, and I would not be surprised if the other guests of this flight were reviewed and potentially subject to additional security measures, even if they were unaware of it. William is second in line to the throne, so it would be extremely prudent of the Royal Family, if not the United Kingdom as a whole, to ensure their flight was a safe one.



The British SAS has developed a number of methods regarding protecting their VIPs that adapt to and reflect the expected security environment.

They could choose between a low-key overt or covert protection. In a low-key overt protection method, which is chosen if a low key profile is required, the security team aim to blend in more with their surroundings. Civilian clothing, usually suits, are worn. Weapons (pistols and SMG's) are typically carried concealed beneath jackets. The security team still maintains a visible presence around the VIP who is free to interact with the public.

The American-like heavy security is only used when VIPs enter war zones, and is meant to act as a deterrent to attack and to ensure that the security team can react with maximum firepower.
 
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Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:30 am

Royal Protection Officers are civilian police rather then SAS. They are armed and wouldn't be surprised if the SAS helps to train them.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 32):
Tell me, KiwiRob, was this a typo ("l" and "r" are not sooo close together on most keyboards), a Freudian, or a Republican and Anti Monarchist Intentional?

Intentional, the Norwegian Clown Prince is a fool who married a very inappropriate woman. The Norwegian King is a good man who unfortunately had stupid children whom both married people no Royal should ever marry; I could not imagine either being allowed to marry into any other Royal Family in Europe.

I'm quite happy living under a monarchy, I prefer the idea of a Head of State who is above politics.
 
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Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting steady eddie (Reply 13):
If they paid full published fare (which they wouldn't) even a modest midsize jet for 8 Pax and baggage would be getting on for double that for a States Trip, so good for them I say.

Actually, I saw a video not long ago about the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh preparing for a trip to Estonia. The palace travel office asks for bids and the contract--at least for that flight--went to BA. They showed the crew being briefed prior to the flight. All cabin crew are hand-picked and the purser was experienced in serving the Queen. She showed that she remembered exactly how HM likes her Dubbonet and Gin mixed and in what portions. (Actually, that sounds awful!). But since this was an official trip I would imagine that the bid was put out for contract and BA gave an acceptable price. Of course, they will always fly a British carrier if at all possible unless the hosting government decides to supply the transportation.
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 38):
Actually, I saw a video not long ago about the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh preparing for a trip to Estonia. The palace travel office asks for bids and the contract--at least for that flight--went to BA. They showed the crew being briefed prior to the flight. All cabin crew are hand-picked and the purser was experienced in serving the Queen. She showed that she remembered exactly how HM likes her Dubbonet and Gin mixed and in what portions. (Actually, that sounds awful!). But since this was an official trip I would imagine that the bid was put out for contract and BA gave an acceptable price. Of course, they will always fly a British carrier if at all possible unless the hosting government decides to supply the transportation.

On official state visits, Her Majesty always takes BA as the UK's flag carrier, when acting as the Head of State of the UK (can you imagine HM stepping off an aircraft that has VIRGIN written on the side of it during an official state visit). BA has a dedicated A319 for Royal shorthaul travel and two 772s that are capable of being installed with the Royal Suite for Longhaul Royal travel. This involves removing the F class cabin and replacing it with a bedroom with double bed and wardrobe. A section of the World Traveler cabin is removed as well to make space for the Royal baggage. The Club section is reserved for other Royals and Senior Civil servants (and sometimes government ministers). the WT+ cabin is occasionally used by the media.

BA, naturally, puts its best cabin crew onboard to serve Her Majesty and the Royal party- and rightly so.

When Her Majesty leaves the UK to represent another country in which she is Head of State- she doesn't necessarily take BA. For example, when she went on a visit to Canada two years ago, the Royal Canadian Air Force, flew a jet to London to bring her to Canada, paid for by the Canadian tax payer.

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 37):
Intentional, the Norwegian Clown Prince is a fool who married a very inappropriate woman. The Norwegian King is a good man who unfortunately had stupid children whom both married people no Royal should ever marry; I could not imagine either being allowed to marry into any other Royal Family in Europe.

I'm quite happy living under a monarchy, I prefer the idea of a Head of State who is above politics.

Hi, again, KiwiRob,

Norway, or let's say Scandinavia and Finland, are a "little bit", mildly speaking, different from most other European countries, possibly all, in that the peope "are" more socialist than in other parts of Europe by Nature. The reason for that is a topic of discussion in a number of research fields.
As a positive - arguably - consequence, it is not a problem for Royalties to have "Roturiers" as spouses.
The negative consequences are ironically described by "Janteloven", the "Law of Jante", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante .
Most things in this world have two sides, and there are also two aspects of this specific kind of "socialism".


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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:38 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 23):
Get over it.

Honestly don't get the offence. I'm a rather happy monarchist. And that's rarer these days for Canadians. Particularly among immigrants.

I just think it's pointless for the second-in-line to the throne to impose inconveniences on a commercial carrier and its passengers for the sake of appearances ("Look at us. We're regular Joes! We fly like you guys!".....seriously?). I would consider it equally absurd if our Prime Minister were to fly commercial for a State visit.

A head of state (or their heir) or head of government flying on a commercial carrier means security and intelligence services are vetting a whole bunch of passengers and staff behind the scenes. And a whole bunch of extra security hassles that the general public will never know about. And all so that they have the appearance of saving money and the public image of being commoners? There's nothing common about the Royals (or other Heads of State). No need to pretend.

Book Netjets. File the itinerary just before the flight. And avoid major airport. Much more secure. Much less interference in a commercial carrier and commercial airport's operations. And they arrive rested and ready to do their royal duties.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:29 pm

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 40):
Norway, or let's say Scandinavia and Finland, are a "little bit", mildly speaking, different from most other European countries, possibly all, in that the peope "are" more socialist than in other parts of Europe by Nature. The reason for that is a topic of discussion in a number of research fields.
As a positive - arguably - consequence, it is not a problem for Royalties to have "Roturiers" as spouses.
The negative consequences are ironically described by "Janteloven", the "Law of Jante"

I fully understand this but I do not in any way immaginable see the Swedes and Danes allowing their Crown Princess and Crown Prince to marry a man/women with a history like MM's, she only a very small step above what the American's would call trailer trash.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 42):
I fully understand this but I do not in any way immaginable see the Swedes and Danes allowing their Crown Princess and Crown Prince to marry a man/women with a history like MM's, she only a very small step above what the American's would call trailer trash.

Your statement, KiwiRob, certainly would be quite correct 20 or 30 years ago. As of today, I am not so sure about how the situation in Denmark and not even in Sweden would be.
There have been discussions in Norway about parts of MM's past. However, "in public" - which, given her position, involves a large portion of what "normal" people would consider their private lives - she does "behave quite royal", including when travelling by plane, which she frequently has to do although she seemingly really hates just that since she is afraid of flying.

Also think of Luke 15,7.



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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:09 pm

He'd about the be about 3rd or 4th most influential and important person in First on your average BA JFK flight. Not really sure of the news appeal.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:22 pm

Quoting lhrlocal (Reply 14):
Just a little note - i was actually on a plane with William, flew from Aberdeen to LHR, this was a few years back now - maybe 10 or so. When he was at university at Aberdeen. I didn't even know he was on the plane until we parked up at LHR, noticed a couple of posh cars waiting by our stand and saw him leave the plane 1st and get in one.

Sorry to nitpick, but he studied at St Andrews. While EDI would be just that little bit closer, I guess ABZ is a bit easier to handle, being smaller.

Met him in a pub there once.
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 22):
As far as I know when POTAS flies two 747's are detailed

Not always, apparently. During Obama's most recent tour of Asia (last month), one of the two VC-25s was in FTW! The plane was parked in front of a Leading Edge paint hall, so presumably getting its livery refreshed.

Someone else who spotted the plane a day before I did started a thread, but it disappeared. Maybe it is a safety risk to mention a plane that tens of thousands of drivers saw every single day from the major highway that runs right by the runway threshold. It's not like the Air Force could have picked a more discrete location without highway so close if they had wanted to...

That or Hollywood is working on a new Air Force One movie, I suppose!

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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:57 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 28):


Of course! He wanted the OneWorld miles!

I wonder if he does have an FF account. No reason why he shouldn't I suppose. He does pay for private travel out of his own pocket supposedly.
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:06 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 41):
Book Netjets. File the itinerary just before the flight. And avoid major airport. Much more secure. Much less interference in a commercial carrier and commercial airport's operations. And they arrive rested and ready to do their royal duties.

And then they get bashed for being out of touch elites who waste money they didn't earn. Your hour of inconvenience is not as important as the business they are attending. It is as simple as this.

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 35):

The British SAS has developed a number of methods regarding protecting their VIPs that adapt to and reflect the expected security environment.

The military does not guard the royals. Scotland Yard protects them.
 
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RE: Duke And Duchess (Royal Family) Flight?

Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:18 pm

I miss the days when you saw the Queen disembarking from a RAF VC-10. Still one of the most beautiful airplanes ever built.

I have never heard what the royal accommodations were like on it.

Prince Harry flew back and forth to the Middle East on RAF troop flights crammed into the A330 without complaint. He just wants to be a good military officer and fits right in with his troops.
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