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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:43 am

NZ's new Regional Domestic Lounge in AKL, has finally opened. http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...w-regional-koru-lounge-in-auckland

Although it looks to be better than the main Lounge
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:50 am

Stuff is reporting an announcement of the new route is on Friday and likely to be the US.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:15 am

^ interesting that the article is tipping ORD ahead of IAH ....and if it's announced Friday I won't find out for days...going down to Fiordland at the crack of dawn to spend four days tramping, LOL
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:27 am

From the previous thread

A South American route could be dependent on SQ and how they may choose to participate in it.
Could also use VA, CX and Air China if those airlines are interested.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
interesting that the article is tipping ORD ahead of IAH

Interesting. A 77E would definitely be payload limited west bound so it would need either a 789 or a 77W although I would expect the 77W to have substancial over capacity for the route. The 302 seat 789 would also be payload limited so if there was an intention to use the 789 it is likely that this would not happen until a ~254- seat version is in the fleet.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 5):
Interesting. A 77E would definitely be payload limited west bound so it would need either a 789 or a 77W although I would expect the 77W to have substancial over capacity for the route. The 302 seat 789 would also be payload limited so if there was an intention to use the 789 it is likely that this would not happen until a ~254- seat version is in the fleet.

Would there be any payload restrictions on an IAH-AKL leg? Surely this must factor in NZ's choice of destination. I just can't see ORD offering anything over what is already achieved through LAX and SFO compared to what could be offered through IAH i.e. connex to USA and Canada's eastern seaboard, as well as Central America and the Caribbean.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 6):
Would there be any payload restrictions on an IAH-AKL leg?

I am assuming a westbound sector time of 14hrs 45min. Based on this and from the load/range tables the 77E should have ~ 34t payload. Assuming a passenger load factor close to the NZ 90%+- on Nth American services there would be capacity available for 3 to 4t of freight westbound. I think there are two plans on the go at this time. One is an additional U.S. mainland destination and the other is how soon could the 789 be ready for South American service , probably GRU. If this can be achieved a year from now then the question is whether a 254+- -seater can be part of the FY2016 delivery schedule or whether the service might start with the 302- seater. A 789 would save better than 40t of fuel over a 77E on a round trip which is ~ $US27000 at current fuel prices. Or run the service with a 77E for a year and switch to the 789 in late 2016.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:30 pm

Last year there were a few articles in various papers about the NZ govt planning a trial with NZ 767's to Pegasus Field Antarctica, does anyone know if the trial actually took place?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:32 pm

Does anyone know how the transit arrangements now work for NZ AKL -> LHR flights now NZ have moved to TBIT? Do Business Class passengers still need to clear full US immigration to get to the lounge.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Last year there were a few articles in various papers about the NZ govt planning a trial with NZ 767's to Pegasus Field Antarctica, does anyone know if the trial actually took place?

My recollection is that the flights did not take place.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting wawaman (Reply 9):
Does anyone know how the transit arrangements now work for NZ AKL -> LHR flights now NZ have moved to TBIT? Do Business Class passengers still need to clear full US immigration to get to the lounge.

Yes CBP processing, then TSA screening before being allowed back into the public gate area or lounge.
Baggage however remains onboard aircraft.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Yes CBP processing, then TSA screening before being allowed back into the public gate area or lounge

Can you explain what the CBP processing and TSA screening procedures are.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:17 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 12):

The usual entry formalities. Right thumb right fingers left thumb left fingers then retina scan, or if you are a regular to US just a couple of random fingers then retina scan.. . Then a TSA bumhole scan and bag X ray

I know NZ2 had delays with this the other day. Teething issues perhaps.
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 13):
TSA bumhole scan

Ummm… bumhole scan?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:56 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Ummm… bumhole scan?

the body cavity scanner thing they have at TSA screening points., a colloquial expression perhaps..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 13):

But the CBP screening is done in a separate area away from all the USA entry passengers?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:22 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
But the CBP screening is done in a separate area away from all the USA entry passengers?

I'm not so sure any more. I just know there have been some delays so far with screening
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:50 am

Quoting flyjetstar (Reply 2):

Don't be surprised if the new route possibly to be announced on Friday is not in the USA  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:54 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):

I will be surprised if it is USA this year and I might even be a little disappointed if it was...... I'm hoping on eating Patagonian Steak, Cuy and copious Caiparinhas and Coca Sours on a direct star alliance link in the new year   I don't mind where exactly. I would be happy for MNL to start too. Most of my holidays are divided up between both places.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 19):
I'm hoping on eating Patagonian Steak, Cuy and copious Caiparinhas and Coca Sours on a direct star alliance link in the new year I don't mind where exactly. I would be happy for MNL to start too.

Hear hear! on both accounts. I too would be a little disappointed with IAH (more so ORD). My hope is a triangular route for AKL-EZE-GRU-AKL and AKL-GRU-EZE-AKL, both starting in SYD, BNE or MEL and timed to best fit with NRT, SIN, HKG connex.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
Don't be surprised if the new route possibly to be announced on Friday is not in the USA

This is what I've been hoping to hear (or not to hear as the case may be).
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 20):
My hope is a triangular route for AKL-EZE-GRU-AKL and AKL-GRU-EZE-AKL, both starting in SYD, BNE or MEL and timed to best fit with NRT, SIN, HKG connex.

this makes eminent sense but does this mean stations in both EZE and GRU ? Maybe this depends on what * arrangements can be made at either of these points. Would It would mean an additional crew for the EZE-GRU-EZE sector which is about a 2.5hr leg.?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 19):
I will be surprised if it is USA this year and I might even be a little disappointed if it was...... I'm hoping on eating Patagonian Steak, Cuy and copious Caiparinhas and Coca Sours on a direct star alliance link in the new year

  

I've wanted to see South America on the the route map for a long time.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:46 pm

After all the anticipation and speculation wouldn't it be frustrating if it just turns out to be a short haul route ? CBR ? HBA?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
Don't be surprised if the new route possibly to be announced on Friday is not in the USA

If it is South America the most interesting part of the announcement might be what aircraft they expect to use. They will have four EDTO 330 77E's and the 789 would also be at least at 240-min and possibly at 330min. Not sure when the 789 counts from , whether it is when TT service started or whether from PER service start.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:21 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 24):

LA's SCL-AKL-SCL will be a 788 from 16 Apr 2015. They will have 10 788's and 2 789's by then.

CC-BBA was delivered 31 Aug 2012, CC-BBB 25 Oct 2012, CC-BBC 07 Dec 2012. So about two and a half years after they put the 788 into service they will use it on an EDTO 330 route.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 25):

But the 787-8 was not certified fo 330 straight away until the battery issues and groundings had stopped. LA had 3-4 in SCL grounded. Surely the time stems from boeing announcing 330 for type not delivery of the first LA 787. Also LA had been operating since 2001 on this route which counts even though quads.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 24):

I reckon it was originally 77E but became a 789 with the additional 2 ordered, possibly a direct result of LA 789 announcement. Like for like in a codeshare agreement with LA. one to SCL one to EZE/LIM/GRU. As NZ/CA would be to China. Given the fact that with codeshare agreements seem to come daily flights too, I would think they would at least match LA on about 5 a week
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:36 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 26):

I reckon it was originally 77E but became a 789 with the additional 2 ordered, possibly a direct result of LA 789 announcement. Like for like in a codeshare agreement with LA. one to SCL one to EZE/LIM/GRU. As NZ/CA would be to China. Given the fact that with codeshare agreements seem to come daily flights too, I would think they would at least match LA on about 5 a week

I can't imagine LA doing a deal with NZ given their relationship with QF.

The NZ/CA alliance is perhaps different. CA would open AKL with or without NZ.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:52 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 27):
I can't imagine LA doing a deal with NZ given their relationship with QF.

LA/QF do not get on well for alliance partners - especially locally speaking in AKL. If LA has issues it is NZ that helps not QF in general (unless NZ are full and QF are empty) It would be no different to our arrangement with CX which is oneworld.. Also NZ can offer plenty more connections to Australian/Asian ports direct from AKL than QF can. The closer arrangement for LA is with CX IMO. I see an arrangement which includes LA codeshares to HKG/NRT/SIN and CX/SQ to South America on NZ metal to be more beneficial than QF out of SYD,
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:24 am

Newcastle?

Hobart?

Bangkok?

Certainly not a US route.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:26 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 26):
But the 787-8 was not certified fo 330 straight away until the battery issues and groundings had stopped. LA had 3-4 in SCL grounded. Surely the time stems from boeing announcing 330 for type not delivery of the first LA 787. Also LA had been operating since 2001 on this route which counts even though quads.

Not according to the NZCAA rules.

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Air Operations - Large Aeroplanes

Subpart N - EDTO Authorisation and Requirements (page 122)

121.961 Requirements for EDTO more than 240 minutes maximum diversion time - twin engine aeroplanes
(a) A holder of an air operator certificate may apply in writing to the Director for an EDTO authorisation to operate an aeroplane with 2 turbine powered engines on an EDTO more than 240 minutes maximum diversion time if, immediately before applying, the certificate holder has been --
(1) conducting EDTO in accordance with an EDTO authorisation issued by the Director under rule 121.955 or 121.959 for at least 24 consecutive months; and
(2) conducting EDTO of more than 180 minutes with the aeroplane airframe / engine combination to be used in accordance with an EDTO authorisation issued by the Director under rule 121.959 for at least 12 consecutive months.

121.955 relates to up to 180 minutes, 121.959 relates to up to 240 minutes, and both specify 'twin-engine aeroplanes'.

My interpretation for Air NZ is that after 12 months of more than 180 with the 789 they can apply for more than 240 as the first 12 months of the 24 months requirement is not 'airframe / engine combination' dependent. So the first 12 months can be a 77E or 77W. Previously I understood the whole 24 months had to be the same aircraft type.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:35 am

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 29):

MNL or BOM would be more likely than BKK IMHO. Alliance partner TG has it's base covered.

Likewise CBR over NTL, but HBA maybe.

Still hoping for the long awaited South American announcement though.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:52 am

QQ: I have a list of 14 Air New Zealand (or Eagle Air/Nelson etc) flights between 23 July 2013 and 16 Apr 2014 that I am trying to find the registration of the aircraft that operated. Does anyone know of a good website to visit to find this info? I have tried libhomeradar.org but I am having no luck.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:30 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 28):

apart from BA and now QR if there is one airline that is very pro OW it is LAN...

I would be stunned if they partnered with NZ
I reckon QF should launch Brazil via AKL

it is hard for NZ because star does not have the coverage/frequency that OW has
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:34 am

Due to fly home after the week in Oz only to be on nz734 BNE to AKL affected by the electrical storm tonight, the one predicted all week......
So after waiting a couple of hours for storm to pass we get on plane and wait half an hour then push back and taxi to end of EB runway, waiting for plane after plane to land. There was our a320 and on next ramp emtry a Q400. Eventually I timed the gap, 4.50 between landings and neither of us took the gap. Then the wind changed and we had to taxi to other end, we had enough fuel for 45 min taxi and after 57 min they called it quits. Then crew had expired their 13 hours so no stuck in BNE for another stinkint night! Several things spring to mind

1 why did we not take on more fuel, pilot claims they had enough for max landing wait so therefore did not anticipate the longer taxi, fair enough. To be fair it was full flight due etihad missed connection earlier in the day
2 obviously it was a touch and go situation so should have been assessed better and possibly waited at gate longer before departing
3 the a320 not capable in testing weather, the only other time I turned back was on an a320 who did not have enough fuel to circle SYD due fog. Again not capable for the wx demands
4 could the traffict control not have given priority or did NZ ask? Other domestic craft were taking off ahead of us, only 1 other flight affected, a VA to WGN
5. Storm was well predicted so incompetence on both NZ and ATC, NZ could have sent larger plane given the etihad missed connection and safe guarded the storm incident

Obviously I am dissapointed not being home in bed now and not the staff fault but comon, let's look ahead a little NZ!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:20 pm

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):

3 the a320 not capable in testing weather, the only other time I turned back was on an a320 who did not have enough fuel to circle SYD due fog. Again not capable for the wx demands


I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that it would be more crew related rather than aircraft i.e. the crew weren't trained for a CAT II/III landing required in fog? Somebody will know I presume.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:36 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 30):
My interpretation for Air NZ is that after 12 months of more than 180 with the 789 they can apply for more than 240 as the first 12 months of the 24 months requirement is not 'airframe / engine combination' dependent. So the first 12 months can be a 77E or 77W. Previously I understood the whole 24 months had to be the same aircraft type.

I believe you are right. I note that the date shown is April 1st 2014; I wonder if there has been a subtle change in wording from the original version.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:58 pm

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
1 why did we not take on more fuel, pilot claims they had enough for max landing wait so therefore did not anticipate the longer taxi, fair enough. To be fair it was full flight due etihad missed connection earlier in the day

You answered your own question. Maximum landing weight is not negotiable without serious mechanical compromise and increased risk. I guess they could have offloaded 20 passengers or everyone's bags for the chance of being able to hold for a little longer. The crewhours were tight as you said, so that was not a viable option. Offloading bags takes ages.

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
2 obviously it was a touch and go situation so should have been assessed better and possibly waited at gate longer before departing

They probably figured they were running out of hours, so they should at least try and get out if the weather was clear enough momentarally for takeoff. Had they stayed on the gate you would be in the same position as you are right now. The weather has been dodgy across the tasman all week, it has affected just about every carrier transtasman.

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
3 the a320 not capable in testing weather, the only other time I turned back was on an a320 who did not have enough fuel to circle SYD due fog. Again not capable for the wx demands

the A320 is perfectly capable - there are over 6000 produced worldwide.... They have to have enough to circle AND reach an alternate without starving the engine of fuel. If given a low priority by ATC for landing at SYD(as they would cos plenty of airports in OZ can handle A320s but not A380s/777s etc) this would mean they have to make the call to divert to their allocated alternate. The fact is plenty of aircraft with the weather in SYD and BNE lately have had to divert QF/VA 738s NZ A320s/767s. All of them are low in priority for ATC being shorthauls with many possible alternates. Longhaul always gets first priority due to having fewer options and less fuel available.

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
4 could the traffic control not have given priority or did NZ ask?

If it is anything like AKL in fog/lightning it is purely first in first serve and is solely controlled by Airways Corp (not Apron Tower as usual). They do what they want, and what is safest and will not accept any airline preferences. They are purely impartial which is the best for everyone.

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
5. Storm was well predicted so incompetence on both NZ and ATC, NZ could have sent larger plane given the etihad missed connection and safe guarded the storm incident

It doesn't work like that. the A320 was scheduled (and able) and it is a huge expense to just change types especially if the slots don't suit the longhaul network. Remember to do so would probably have involved delaying more passengers, more flights and for longer.. The A320 has coped with the lightning all week, sometimes you strike bad timing when you travel. It has nothing to do with ATC or NZ. ATC has the sole task of getting every aircraft up in the storm down (getting pelted with hail and lightning and windshear) on the ground safely. Landings are far more important as they can't just turn around to the terminal and disembark if their slot doesn't clear.

Quoting nz2 (Reply 34):
4.50 between landings and neither of us took the gap

BNE is notorious for having exceedingly restricted airspace when in scenarios like this due to their runway configuration. This is all governed by Metron Traffic Flow (MTF) and as with ALL airports distance between slots is increased in times of low visibility. That's to keep aircraft from crashing into each other - it's a fairly good reason I think...

While not a pleasant scenario to experience the best customer service is delivering you safely at your destination rather than ending up injured, maimed or dead.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:52 pm

South America it is but announcement of which destination is embargoed until 9am NZDT.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/6...air-nz-to-fly-south-american-route
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 38):
South America it is but announcement of which destination is embargoed until 9am NZDT.

The devil will be in the details... Payload westbound from EZE would be quite a lot better than GRU which I believe would be max passenger and very little more.

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Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 38):
South America it is but announcement of which destination is embargoed until 9am NZDT.

I never understand whistleblowing of this kind. It steals all the airlines' thunder.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:05 pm

3x weekly to EZE according to the Air New Zealand website. Gonna have to polish up my B777-200ER flightplanning model and run this one!

[Edited 2014-12-11 12:06:26]
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 40):
I never understand whistleblowing of this kind. It steals all the airlines' thunder.

mariner

I didn't whistleblow. We got the media release before 0900 and I said nothing other than what had been reported in other media. Agree with you though, why sour your relationship with NZ Comm's just to get a march on other media?!

Oh virtuous me.


  
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 41):
Gonna have to polish up my B777-200ER flightplanning model and run this one!

Would be interested in what it spits out . One that you did a couple of years ago suggested using PUQ or RGL as the crossing point westbound. It saved ~40-min compared to crossing at PMC
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 42):
I didn't whistleblow

I didn't say you were the whistleblower. Anything that appears in the press is fair game on a.net.   

But someone did.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:43 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 44):
Anything that appears in the press is fair game on a.net.

I didn't mean to imply that you did, just trying to add a touch of humour and announce my virtue being intact. I was agreeing with you in the second part of my answer...

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 42):
why sour your relationship with NZ Comm's just to get a march on other media?!

So EZE is a year away from starting; what will NZ's long-haul fleet look like by then?

* - edited for spelling

[Edited 2014-12-11 12:57:06]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 45):
I didn't mean to imply that you did, just trying to add a touch of humour and announce my virtue being intact.

I have always thought you virtuous.  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting polehillsid (Reply 35):
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that it would be more crew related rather than aircraft i.e. the crew weren't trained for a CAT II/III landing required in fog? Somebody will know I presume.

Pilot announced that SYD ATC declared any plane not able to circle for an hour had to divert, for an A320 that means going home, so not really capable for the mission if there are any speedbump of any reasonable time

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 37):
You answered your own question. Maximum landing weight is not negotiable without serious mechanical compromise and increased risk.
I guess they could have offloaded 20 passengers or everyone's bags for the chance of being able to hold for a little longer. The crewhours were tight as you said, so that was not a viable option. Offloading bags takes ages.

My point is the long taxi was not a surprise, always is at BNE even in good times, the key issue is "landing weight " so they could have taken on more fuel in anticipation it will be burned prior to landing and if not then do a few circles to ensure it happens. Anyway checked in again and waiting for 2nd time lucky, hope we get out before the "predicted" storm rolls in today!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting nz2 (Reply 47):
Pilot announced that SYD ATC declared any plane not able to circle for an hour had to divert, for an A320 that means going home, so not really capable for the mission if there are any speedbump of any reasonable time

That is a weird conclusion, that the A320 is not capable! Airlines "do not fill the tanks" anymore. The A320 was quite capable for the mission, the airline did not add sufficient fuel to complete the mission, under the circumstances. [If the circumstances changed on them that is another question]

Quoting nz2 (Reply 47):
SYD ATC declared

Also love this bit! There is no SYD ATC! It's in Melbourne and the Northern approach control is in Brisbane! AFAIK SYD only has the tower & ground control.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 150

Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:10 pm

In other NZL news, Whangarei is again looking into options to relocate it's airport (if you have ever seen it it is a fairly short runway with cliffs on either end over the harbour with limited space).
There have been suggestions to move it to the other side of the harbour close to the port etc however this seems to have been dismissed so they are looking elsewhere.
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