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Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:27 am

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/9313562667_1045fa2a42_h.jpg

Recently I posted a thread about a "hybrid National Airlines DC-8 cabin" with overhead Boeing style pods for the a/c and lighting and I assume O2 masks. While on Flickr checking out the same commercial aviation pages I found this photo of a Convair 880 Yellow Bird Northeast Airlines passenger cabin circa 1966 (beginning of Yellow Birds). This cabin was 4 abreast 2 X 2 both classes and has a unique looking overhead PSU design not of other 880's and this cabin featured curtains a la early Palomar era DC-8's. Another thing I noticed, the windows look very ovoid like that of the soon to arrive DC-10's, and even 787 new 737-800 cabins. Whats the deal with this cabin design? Always thought 880 and 990 windows were squared at the top like the Boeings of the era and I thought 880's all had pull down shades like the Boeing jets of the day. Any information or recollections are appreciated.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:01 am

I enjoyed the DC-8 thread. I don't think that "Yellowbird" picture is an 880. I looked at the books I have on 880's and don't see anything that looks like your picture.

Here's one of Delta's 880's when first delivered with an all first class configuration (those were the days!)

DL 880, delivery all first class


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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:10 am

Great find! Someone of my advanced years remembers Northeast and their Yellowbirds very fondly. Their two-tone yellow livery and black logo and titles were so striking for the time. Those 880s were real smokers and screamers.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:31 am

No way that is an 880. Amongst other issues, the windows are spread apart way too far. The 880 had windows similar to Boeing at the time that were very close together. It is also too narrow to be a DC-8 and the windows look too oval. I would have guessed at a Viscount, but any Viscount I was in, did not have that cabin roof and used netting for the overheads. I am 99% sure, that Coach in NE's 880's would have been 3 x 2 anyway.
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:19 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 3):

The Viscounts had Egg shaped super ovoid windows that were humongous. I'm stumped by that Flickr picture. I remember those pics of the DL CV 880's.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 2):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15774845720/

This is the link to this way cool Flickr spread. This is where I got that funky DC-8 cabin pic with the Boeing style overhead pod PSU's but still retaining the Palomar style curtains.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:44 am

Of Flickr photos referenced here:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15774845720/

This is the link to this way cool Flickr spread. This is where I got that funky DC-8 cabin pic with the Boeing style overhead pod PSU's but still retaining the Palomar style curtains.

the caption to the photo posted in the OP, says it is a Northeast FH-227, or a Fairchild version of the Fokker F-27. I actually guessed that before confirming! It looked to me like a modern (contemporary) turboprop cabin, and if the caption is correct, so am I.

Direct link to the photo in question: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9313562667/in/photostream/

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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:54 am

Quoting rampart (Reply 5):

Thank you. Now that I think of it this makes sense. I swear I thought this photo was captioned Convair 880.


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It's still hard to tell.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:29 am

The wing supports and exit hatch match the locations in this photo:


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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Being the Northeast Airlines Yellowbird junky I have been all my life the 2 X 2 seating threw me as well but when I saw the FH227 reference, I said "ok" that is indeed the explanation.

Not even resolved that it was an FH227, you knew it was Northeast. First, all their tray tables had fabric backings which looks so much better than just the bare plastic we've seen for the last few decades. Further, you knew this was Northeast by the blonde "stewardess". Northeast as did National always featured a blonde in their advertising!

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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:49 pm

There was a British airline in the 60s and 70s also called Northeast Airlines. It was based in Newcastle and flew Tridents - so no, it didn't stand a chance. The thing is it also had a strong clear yellow livery. Does anybody know if that was coincidence, or what?
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:42 am

[quote=DL_Mech,reply=7]The wing supports and exit hatch match the locations in this photo:

Looks like it's parked at that craphole of a concourse at LGA, gates 28/29. I still can't believe that we operated DC-10's & later L10's from that concourse in the 70's with no jetways. And we also handled those North Central DC-9's before NW ever had them.

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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting jmdc861 (Reply 8):

I keep forgetting Northeast operated these turbo props. I have that mindset; the pre de-regulation period the majors flew only mainline equipment whether it had a propeller or not. Where did these fly. I still associate Northeast's last piston power bird with the Viscount I don't remember seeing the small "regional" turboprop out of BWI or for that matter MIA during family vacations back in the day. Did any other piston aircraft get the yellobird trim?

And regarding crappy gates and hardstands for widebodies. Those were the days seeing wide body birds such as the 747 and L 1011 at smaller old school airports such as LGA. Even FLL and PBI had wide body flights back in the day. Remember this was the era FLL was still the small market facility. MIA was the big kahoona. If they could have shoe horned them into DCA you would have had wide body service on the Patomac. And of course we at BWI then BAL/Friendship would have really gotten the shaft for prestige flights. PAA's 747 was hard stand at BWI, however by the time the L1011 came along we had our token early jetways on what was then concourse B now C (last vestige of the original 1950 facility)

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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
I keep forgetting Northeast operated these turbo props. I have that mindset; the pre de-regulation period the majors flew only mainline equipment whether it had a propeller or not. Where did these fly. I still associate Northeast's last piston power bird with the Viscount I don't remember seeing the small "regional" turboprop out of BWI or for that matter MIA during family vacations back in the day. Did any other piston aircraft get the yellobird trim?

Northeast is the only U.S. major airline to operate the FH-227; well I guess you could also say Delta because they operated them a few years after the merger. They flew the New England short haul routes out of BOS and LGA. Also, I'm sure you remember that the Viscount was also a turboprop, not a piston. NEs last piston was the DC-6B not retired until 1967; I've never seen a picture of one in the Yellowbird scheme.
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:17 pm

Northeast had jet service to many really small New England cities:

Keene, NH
New Bedford, MA
Presque Isle, ME
Nantucket
And of course, larger places like: ORH, BGR, PWM, BTV, MHT, etc.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 12):

Where did you get the idea that NE was the only "major" airline to operate the FH-227 and even DL after they bought NE? Piedmont, Ozark and Mohawk operated a sizeable fleet of FH-227B's and in comparison to those airlines, NE/DL had a significant less number of FH-227's in their fleet.
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:34 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 14):
Piedmont, Ozark and Mohawk operated a sizeable fleet of FH-227B's and in comparison to those airlines

PI, OZ and MO were considered "Local Service" airlines back in those days, not "Majors".
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):
PI, OZ and MO were considered "Local Service" airlines back in those days, not "Majors".

Yes, exactly right. That's where I got the "idea". None of the locals were considered major airlines until annual revenue passed one billion, which occurred sometime in the early 1980s. Either Republic or USAir was the first, I can't remember which.
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:40 pm

The B&W photo posted by Zippyjet is indeed a Northeast FH-227C!!

Out of the six FH-227Cs that Delta inherited from Northeast, only two of them saw any active service with Delta, N376NE and N378NE. The rest were parked out of serivce until the whole fleet was sold to Air New England.

Also, Ozark, Piedmont and Mohawk were not Major Airlines. They were referred to as Local Service Airlines. It wasnt until after Deregulatrion that Ozark and Piedmont became major carriers. By then Mohawk had long since (1972) been merged into Allegheny.
Ironically, Air New England too was historically the very last Local Service Airline to receive its certification in the early 1970s.

Of the original FH-227 carriers in the US.
Mohawk initially ordered 5 base model FH-227s N7801M thru N7805M of which were traded back to Fairchild Hiller for 18 FH-227Bs N7806M thru N7823M. When the initial five 227s went back to Fairchild Hiller they were converted to the FH-227E models and resold. Two of those had Large Cargo Door conversions. One aircraft, N7804M was actually leased by Northeast for a short period of time. Mohawk did lose two FH-227s in crashes N7811M neat Glens Falls in 1968 and N7818M in Albany NY in 1972.

Ozark flew 21 FH-227s intially the first few were delivered as Base model FH-227s but all converted to the FH-227B models. Their tail numbers were N4215 thru N4235. They suffered one crash with N4215 in St Louis in July 1973.

Northeast ordered 7 FH-227Cs delivered as Base FH-227s but upgraded to the FH-227C varaiant.
Their tail numbers were N375NE thru N380NE. The had also leased N7804M as discussed above.. Northeast had one fatal accident with one of their 227s and that was N380NE which crashed in 1968 near Lebanon, NH.
Looking at the time frame, I am making an educated guess that N7804M was leased as a filler for the loss of N380NE.

Piedmont ordered and flew 10 FH-227Bs. The tail number range was N701U thru N706U and N708U, N709U, N710U and N712U. They had one fatal accident with aircraft N712U in Charleston, WV in 1968 and incidentally it was the very first FH-227 to crash. Another odd thing about the Piedmont 227s is that while all the other 227s built were built with 12 passenger windows per side, the ten flown by Piedmont were retrofitted to have 13 windows per side. The extra window came about in the window closest to the Passenger Entry/Rear right side cargo door.

Of course, after these planes made it to the second and third hand market, some of the window configurations changed with additions to Large cargo doors added, etc....

I hope that this helps.. By the way, I specialize int he FH-227.... 

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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:52 pm

Quoting access-air (Reply 17):
The B&W photo posted by Zippyjet is indeed a Northeast FH-227C!!

That's it, and a very rare shot indeed. These seat covers were chosen for all the Yellowbirds, including the 727s. There was a gold sort of cross-hatched pattern, and another that was described as an 'oatmeal' shade. The idea was to evoke the feeling of the northeast US - autumnal colors etc.

It is said that the 880 Yellowbirds were done up in this design as well, but I have never seen a pic. The best source would likely be a random pic taken by a passenger, family vacation, etc. We must keep looking!
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:56 pm

Yes, the Viscount was a turboprop. I make the mistake of lumping anything with a propeller whether it be a turbo prop or piston under piston powered aircraft. I'm assuming from what's been posted the FH 227 did not see service south of the New England region for Northeast? How about the short time under DL? Where did they fly before being removed from DL service?
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:32 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6):
It's still hard to tell.

It's easy to tell it's not an 880. The cabin is much too narrow, the windows are much too widely spaced, and no 880 had curtains.
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:46 am

Wow, Access-Air very impressive rundown on the FH-227. I'm struck by the fact every original operator had at least one hull loss with fatalities, if I'm not mistaken these were all pilot error accidents and not FH-227 problems. Also, if I remember correctly the
Fairchild F-27 that preceded it had at two hull losses with Bonanza, two with West Coast and one with Pacific (passenger shooting the pilots). One Bonanza crash and one West Coast were training accidents; none of the crashes I believe were related to the F-27 itself. It was a different era, for sure...
 
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RE: Northeast Yellow Bird 880 Cabin

Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:18 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 21):
none of the crashes I believe were related to the F-27 itself.

On Dec 2nd 1968 I was waiting in AKN (King Salmon AK) for a passenger on Wien Consolidated flight 55. It never got there;

A Wien Consolidated Airlines Fairchild F-27B, N4905, crashed at Pedro Bay, Alaska. The 36 passengers and three crewmembers were killed in the accident and the aircraft was destroyed by in-flight breakup and ground impact.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was an in-flight structural failure caused by an encounter with severe to extreme turbulence. This turbulence was not forecast and its presence was not known to the flightcrew. The failure occurred in an area of the right wing (WS 197) which had been weakened to an indeterminate degree by pre-existing fatigue cracks."

An AD was issued on Dec 20th calling for wing inspections of all F-27's and FH-227's. A number of similar cracks were found.

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