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Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:35 am

Working on a project in which I need to know if 747s flew LAX-BOS in the 1990s? If so, what airline?

What other types and airlines typically flew that route during this era?
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:51 am

It would not have been in the 1990s if 747s ever appeared on the route. The legacy carriers on the route during regulation were American and TWA. I see schedules with AA flying the DC-10 and TW flying the L-1011, but I cannot see a 747. Here, for example, is a 1983 schedule where AA is running DC-10s, TW is running 1011s, and UA has gotten in the game with a DC-10.

http://www.departedflights.com/BOSp3.html

By 1990, TWA was already in crisis because of the Icahn situation, and was selling LHR, which is the only reason they needed to feed 747s in there (the 747s used to turn back to London back in the day and not do domestic tags). By 1990, UA had already made the 767-200 and 757 its newer transcon birds, and was replacing the DC-10s with those smaller aircraft. 747s were all over domestic routes in the 1990s, but only on inter-hub routes and a few other trips to SEA, LAS, etc. I was a UA FA in the late-1990s and the 747 would never have touched BOS-LAX because we couldn't have filled it up at the frequency we wanted to offer.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:03 am

Quoting TW870 (Reply 1):
The legacy carriers on the route during regulation were American and TWA. I see schedules with AA flying the DC-10 and TW flying the L-1011, but I cannot see a 747.

A quick look at TWA timetables in the 1990s shows no 747s flying LAX-BOS... in fact, no TW equipment of any kind flying that route nonstop. Most connections were via STL and the segments into or out of STL used 767s, L-1011s, and an occasional B757.

AA flew the route nonstop in the 1990s using a mix of 767s, DC10s, and 757s.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:42 am

Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 2):
AA flew the route nonstop in the 1990s using a mix of 767s, DC10s, and 757s.

I could be wrong but for some reason I have this image in my head of an AA MD-11 departing from terminal C to LAX. That would have been in the 90's because I moved to Boston in 1990.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:47 am

Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 2):
A quick look at TWA timetables in the 1990s shows no 747s flying LAX-BOS... in fact, no TW equipment of any kind flying that route nonstop.

Yeah TWA didn't really do a lot of domestic 747 flying after the mid-1970s. In the early 70s, 747s used to show up on a lot of routes connecting SFO, LAX, ORD, LAS, and JFK. But once the L1011 fleet was built up, they kept the 747s mostly on Europe. Once LHR was sold off 747 flying was more common on JFK-LAX, JFK-STL, STL-HNL, etc. But the 1011 was really the transcon workhorse.

The only candidate for BOS 747 domestic service in the 90s would have been UA, as they had a huge 747 fleet once the -400s came, as they had the -122s, the -123s, the -238Bs, plus a couple of -222Bs. But once they converted the domestic 767-222s into 3-class birds, they transcon business out of Boston really became a 767/757 business.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:35 pm

Didn't TWA actually fly a 747SP between BOS-LAX at one point?

I'm sure it wasn't the 90s, but I could have sworn they did for a short while before then.


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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:51 pm

Did AA ever use 747 from Boston to LAX in the early 1970's ?
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 5):
Didn't TWA actually fly a 747SP between BOS-LAX at one point?

I'm sure it wasn't the 90s, but I could have sworn they did for a short while before then.

They flew SPs into BOS around ~1984-85. I think they went to Europe, but a transcon may have been added on. One of the SPs had a sticker featuring BOS.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:17 pm

Did the long-lamented (sarcasm) Tower AIr ever fly to BOS? I know they flew between JFK and LAX/SFO among a list of European destinations...
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:33 pm

OAG shows an AA 747 (AA12) operated LAX-BOS in the April 1, 1981 schedule.

OAG snapshots LAX-BOS:

April 1, 1974
AA12 DC-10
TW88 L-1011

November 15, 1979
AA12 DC-10
TW810 L-1011
AA22 707

April 1, 1981
*AA12 747 (return BOS-LAX AA11 747)
TW846 L-1011

February 15, 1985
AA12 DC-10
TW810 767
UA90 762

December 15, 1989
UA174 767
AA94 767
TW846 L-1011
NW46 757
UA96 767
LY006 767
AA12 DC-10
AA136 767

October 1, 1991
AA94 DC-10
UA174 767
NW42 757
UA890 767
AA12 DC-10

April 2, 1995
UA16 757
AA94 DC-10
UA890 757
AA12 767
UA18 757
AA192 767
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:01 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
I could be wrong but for some reason I have this image in my head of an AA MD-11 departing from terminal C to LAX. That would have been in the 90's because I moved to Boston in 1990.

What equipment did AA use on BOS-SJC? Did the MD-11 used on NRT-SJC continue to BOS, or was there a change of gauge to a smaller aircraft?
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:04 pm

Not BOS-LAX but UA flew 747's BOS-SFO-HNL in the mid 1970's
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:36 pm

I recall taking a TWA 747SP from SFO to BOS in the 80s. But I don't know about LAX
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:45 pm

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 5):
Didn't TWA actually fly a 747SP between BOS-LAX at one point?

I'm sure it wasn't the 90s, but I could have sworn they did for a short while before then.
Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 7):
They flew SPs into BOS around ~1984-85. I think they went to Europe, but a transcon may have been added on. One of the SPs had a sticker featuring BOS.

This was in the early 80's ... each of TWA 747SP's was "Boston Express" (possibly not all at the same time)

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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Did AA ever use 747 from Boston to LAX in the early 1970's ?

I have a couple of Kodak Instamatic pics from December 1973 of a AA 747 at Logan. Alas, these pics are not good enough quality to post here. Very possibly that 747 was bound for LAX ... or maybe ORD. This was from the old South Terminal at Logan - NO jetways .... AA boarded all their flights - even 747's and DC-10's via air stairs
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:57 pm

Does anyone have a schedule that shows TWA 747SPs on BOS-LAX or SFO? I know they flew them on LHR-IAD-LAX, and in various months on Europe/Middle East-JFK-LAX. But to serve BOS-LAX, they would have either have done a BOS turn out of LAX after coming in from Europe or New York, or would have done an LHR or CDG through flight at BOS. Doing a domestic turn out of LAX would have eaten up a lot of time on a fleet of only 3 airplanes. I would be surprised if they ran it like that. Although after the BAH route award fell through, anything is possible.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:28 pm

AA's Sep 1977 timetable shows AA flew BOS-BDA with 747s. AA did not fly NYC-BDA with 747s; AA flew 1x week JFK-BOS redeyes to move the aircraft used on this route to the rest of their system.
 
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting TW870 (Reply 15):
Does anyone have a schedule that shows TWA 747SPs on BOS-LAX or SFO? I know they flew them on LHR-IAD-LAX, and in various months on Europe/Middle East-JFK-LAX. But to serve BOS-LAX, they would have either have done a BOS turn out of LAX after coming in from Europe or New York, or would have done an LHR or CDG through flight at BOS. Doing a domestic turn out of LAX would have eaten up a lot of time on a fleet of only 3 airplanes. I would be surprised if they ran it like that. Although after the BAH route award fell through, anything is possible.

In this July 1983 schedule TWA operated the SP to/from FCO as TW846/847 . Not seeing any domestic SP ops out of BOS, at least not in the schedules at departedflights.com:

http://www.departedflights.com/BOSI83p1.html
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:38 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
What equipment did AA use on BOS-SJC? Did the MD-11 used on NRT-SJC continue to BOS, or was there a change of gauge to a smaller aircraft?

I am almost 100% certain SJC-BOS was run by 757s, I think the M11 just returned to NRT.
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:47 pm

Back to the original question, What about Tower Air?
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting cxb744 (Reply 19):
Back to the original question, What about Tower Air?

That was my first thought
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:22 pm

My room mate flew from SFO-BOS on a UA 747 on several occasions between 83-85. We lived near the Boston's North End just off the waterfront. I picked him up at Logan on several occasions.

Landings seem to occur every three or so minutes on 4R and 33L I want to say landings on 4R brought them just to the east and over the downtown area. http://skyvector.com/files/tpp/1413/pdf/00058AD.PDF
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RE: Did Anyone Fly LAX-BOS With A 747 In The 90s?

Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:16 pm

What about Tower Air?

Quoting bluefltspecial (Reply 20):

Quoting cxb744 (Reply 19):
Back to the original question, What about Tower Air?

That was my first thought

That was my first thought yesterday as well, but it didn't take long to discover that Tower Air never flew to Boston.
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