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- Budapest
- Catania
- Florence
- Funchal
- Hamburg
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- Budapest
- Edinburgh
- London LGW
- Manchester
- Naples
- Paris CDG
- Verona
Nice to see Iberia growing again and expanding into the UK outside London!
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RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Great to see IB reactivating their European network (not sure if to call it net expansion yet, as they shut down a lot of routes during the restructuring that are now being reopened, though there are some novelties in this list.)
Question is: with what aircraft? During the cutbacks, IB gave their A32x delivery slots to VY and BA, and severely cut back its own fleet. So perhaps these will be low frequency?
Also good to see IAG (IB and VY) expanding into the non-hub cities in Germany. After STR, HAJ, etc, HAM was the next one missing on the list. Some more competition in Star territory will be welcome.
Long overdue, though not possible with the old cost structure due to the strong LCC competition. This means IB Express now feels confident to take it up against U2 & Co.
To me those would be the kind of leisure routes for Express, except maybe HAM. Why IB mainline? Perhaps lack of aircraft at IB Express? But then again, I think only HAM and BUD have competition, so they should be able to command a premium to offset the somewhat higher costs vs Express.
Question is: with what aircraft? During the cutbacks, IB gave their A32x delivery slots to VY and BA, and severely cut back its own fleet. So perhaps these will be low frequency?
Also good to see IAG (IB and VY) expanding into the non-hub cities in Germany. After STR, HAJ, etc, HAM was the next one missing on the list. Some more competition in Star territory will be welcome.
| Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter): expanding into the UK outside London! |
Long overdue, though not possible with the old cost structure due to the strong LCC competition. This means IB Express now feels confident to take it up against U2 & Co.
| Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter): Iberia mainline - Budapest - Catania - Florence - Funchal - Hamburg - Palermo |
To me those would be the kind of leisure routes for Express, except maybe HAM. Why IB mainline? Perhaps lack of aircraft at IB Express? But then again, I think only HAM and BUD have competition, so they should be able to command a premium to offset the somewhat higher costs vs Express.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
I've heard they are adding 6 A320s, 3 for IB and 3 for IBS. From the announced routes only HAM, FLR, EDI, MAN, CDG, LGW and NAP will be year-round.
So, we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter): |
Indeed it's great to see more UK growth. IB/I2 are evolving into a great operation. Hopefully more Winter seasonal flights to come too.
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RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Hope the MAN times are better, the last few atempts seem to have failed for some reason or other.
6 new A320´s or secondhand?
6 new A320´s or secondhand?
from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Iberia needs to find the Indian and Pacific Oceans, among the "New" routes they should at least fly to Qatar and connect with Qatar Air's system to the east. Flying to Cathay's HKG hub would be better. In this day and age when the Me3 fly to GRU and EZE the airline of the "Spanish Motherland" can fly beyond its former colonies in the Americas. IB has a huge fleet of A340-600 but has it ever used the full range of that plane ? NO. Just because they flew a 747 to Japan for years via Moscow and the route was a looser doesn't mean they should never fly to Asia again.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Hoping IB considers a return to JNB soon.
A 3x weekly A330-200 flight would be ideal, with somewhat improved timings perhaps for more connection options.
They will be offering the fastest options to most of Southern Europe (All of Portugal,Spain, southern France) as well as North-Western Africa (Morocco).
Also for those that travel via Europe between South Africa and the Americas, they could also be offering a much better option.
With TAP also off the JNB route, the amounts of Portuguese expat travelers could also remain a big market.
They didn't have as long daytime idle standing at JNB as other European carriers, but if it is an issue then perhaps extension to Maputo (MPM) will also help with feed.
The old A340-300s they used on the route played a big role in the demise...as the product was inconsistent while other airlines improved significantly. Now with the new A330s, they can make it work again?
A 3x weekly A330-200 flight would be ideal, with somewhat improved timings perhaps for more connection options.
They will be offering the fastest options to most of Southern Europe (All of Portugal,Spain, southern France) as well as North-Western Africa (Morocco).
Also for those that travel via Europe between South Africa and the Americas, they could also be offering a much better option.
With TAP also off the JNB route, the amounts of Portuguese expat travelers could also remain a big market.
They didn't have as long daytime idle standing at JNB as other European carriers, but if it is an issue then perhaps extension to Maputo (MPM) will also help with feed.
The old A340-300s they used on the route played a big role in the demise...as the product was inconsistent while other airlines improved significantly. Now with the new A330s, they can make it work again?
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Great to see Iberia in expansion mode again - hopefully validates both the reasons for, and success of, the difficult and painful restructure program carried out for the last several years.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
On a related note, Norwegian has announced new routes from MAD to BHX, CTA (too!) and DBV.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting mfc (Reply 2): I've heard they are adding 6 A320s, 3 for IB and 3 for IBS. |
Leased? New from the IAG order of around a year ago? I think IB even had some in storage last time I was in MAD.
| Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5): IB has a huge fleet of A340-600 but has it ever used the full range of that plane ? NO |
It has certainly used every bit of payload-range out of it.
| Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 6): Hoping IB considers a return to JNB soon |
If not JNB, definitely more Africa in general. They can cover all of West Africa with (higher frequency) A319/A320's, whereas others have to fill at least an A332. A 3x weekly A332 to JNB should work too. Their flight to Luanda apparently does very well, as do their current West Africa routes. They should build on this kind of "out-of-the-box" thinking.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Do we know the frequencies of the new routes and of the expanded routes?
avi8
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 4): Hope the MAN times are better, the last few atempts seem to have failed for some reason or other. |
The last time MAN was served from MAD, there was competition from both FR and U2. Initially all three decided to cancel the route (crazy), but FR eventually stayed on, operating year round. Hopefully this time, U2 will stay away.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting r2rho (Reply 9): |
I haven't read anything in that respect. Stored A320s are very old and, AFAIK, are going to be scrapped, if they haven't been yet.
Flightglobal shows that Iberia has some A320s in option, maybe some of those are the ones coming, I don't know. They could also lease used ones as they have done recently.
| Quoting avi8 (Reply 10): |
You have some details here:
http://airlineroute.net/2014/12/11/ib-europe-s15update1/
So, we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
It is indeed nice to see IB expanding again, hopefully they will increase service to the US, too. Perhaps BOS will be back to year-round soon? Or even a return to IAD? United seems to be doing well on the route over the summer, they are back on it for S15, and it seems impossible to find award seats (I know, I know, that is a poor proxy for profitability, but I do not have any insider information 
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RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting mfc (Reply 12): They could also lease used ones as they have done recently. |
If leasing used ones, it will be for short-term pending new, or interiors will be replaced.
Recent IAG briefing made it quite clear like model narrow body interiors must be interchangeable between group members in less than 7 days.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
It's great to see IB expanding, I hope this in the begging of a brighter future.
Funchal is the oddest one fot me, I would have guess that one.
I have always said that, they're not using the whole potentialot of MAD location, Africa to US&Canada and Europe to Africa are developing markets, they can even attract some traffic to Asia, just in case one day I decides to start places like Tokyo, PVG, HKG or Beijing.
Maybe also finding parunes that fly to MAD, I'm not sure if I could make HKG work but an agreement with CX to operate the route could work better, IB can attract pax in South America, West Africa and Europe with a well known brand and CX could do the same in South East Asia, CX right now has the B777, that is better for the route than the A346.
I think IB in the future could do Tokyo and Beijing at least.
The article also reads this:
Además, el grupo Iberia programará 65 frecuencias adicionales en 24 rutas ya consolidadas, entre ellas México y Nueva York en el largo radio, y París-Orly, Lisboa, Tel Aviv, Venecia, Dublín, Praga, Berlín, Stuttgart, Asturias, Canarias, Baleares y Galicia, entre otras, en el corto y medio radio.
65 new frequencies in 24 existing routes.
Iberia ha sido la aerolínea más puntual del mundo en junio, agosto y octubre, e Iberia Express la más puntual de Europa en el primer semestre- han contribuido a lograr unos índices de calidad y recomendación históricos.
IB has the best On time performance worldwide in June, August and September and IB express best one in Europe in the first six months of 2014.
Funchal is the oddest one fot me, I would have guess that one.
| Quoting r2rho (Reply 9): If not JNB, definitely more Africa in general. They can cover all of West Africa with (higher frequency) A319/A320's, whereas others have to fill at least an A332. A 3x weekly A332 to JNB should work too. Their flight to Luanda apparently does very well, as do their current West Africa routes. They should build on this kind of "out-of-the-box" thinking. |
I have always said that, they're not using the whole potentialot of MAD location, Africa to US&Canada and Europe to Africa are developing markets, they can even attract some traffic to Asia, just in case one day I decides to start places like Tokyo, PVG, HKG or Beijing.
| Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5): Iberia needs to find the Indian and Pacific Oceans, among the "New" routes they should at least fly to Qatar and connect with Qatar Air's system to the east. Flying to Cathay's HKG hub would be better. In this day and age when the Me3 fly to GRU and EZE the airline of the "Spanish Motherland" can fly beyond its former colonies in the Americas. IB has a huge fleet of A340-600 but has it ever used the full range of that plane ? NO. Just because they flew a 747 to Japan for years via Moscow and the route was a looser doesn't mean they should never fly to Asia again. |
Maybe also finding parunes that fly to MAD, I'm not sure if I could make HKG work but an agreement with CX to operate the route could work better, IB can attract pax in South America, West Africa and Europe with a well known brand and CX could do the same in South East Asia, CX right now has the B777, that is better for the route than the A346.
I think IB in the future could do Tokyo and Beijing at least.
The article also reads this:
Además, el grupo Iberia programará 65 frecuencias adicionales en 24 rutas ya consolidadas, entre ellas México y Nueva York en el largo radio, y París-Orly, Lisboa, Tel Aviv, Venecia, Dublín, Praga, Berlín, Stuttgart, Asturias, Canarias, Baleares y Galicia, entre otras, en el corto y medio radio.
65 new frequencies in 24 existing routes.
Iberia ha sido la aerolínea más puntual del mundo en junio, agosto y octubre, e Iberia Express la más puntual de Europa en el primer semestre- han contribuido a lograr unos índices de calidad y recomendación históricos.
IB has the best On time performance worldwide in June, August and September and IB express best one in Europe in the first six months of 2014.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Interesting to see EDI back, IB Express did that route during Summer 13 on a seasonal basis however it was not carried on into Summer 14 and rumor had it it was because they had been mauled by EasyJet and pax number were dismal. I have to say though my comparison of fares during the Summer 13 run found IB a lot more expensive than EZY on any given day.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting EGPH (Reply 16): Interesting to see EDI back, IB Express did that route during Summer 13 on a seasonal basis however it was not carried on into Summer 14 and rumor had it it was because they had been mauled by EasyJet and pax number were dismal |
Yip, and I suspect this venture will be no different. Avios isnt all its cracked up to be with OW carriers by all accounts.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Hm, doesn't regional flights in EU hemorrhage money?
I suppose IB long haul needs the connecting Passengers.
I suppose IB long haul needs the connecting Passengers.
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RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting thekorean (Reply 18): doesn't regional flights in EU hemorrhage money? I suppose IB long haul needs the connecting Passengers. |
I don't think all of them lose money but some are very necesary, with the new cost control measures in place and the combination of IB&IBX I think it will be easier to make profit.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting r2rho (Reply 9): IB has a huge fleet of A340-600 but has it ever used the full range of that plane ? NO It has certainly used every bit of payload-range out of it. |
r2rho,
Where has IB used the "full" range of the A340-600 ? Madrid to EZE is a 10 hour flight, hardly the extreme edge of the planes capability.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 22): MAD-EZE is almost 13 hours. |
Yes, and SCL is lon get, but it could fly for more hours, however nobody said that they have to do.
Iberia Investor Update - 12 December 2014 (by LHRFlyer Dec 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)
In this topic, you can see the IB presentation, and they say clearly that they are considering new markets, also that that the A340 are going to stay at least until 2020 and they will continue operating "hot and high" airports" and IB consider MEX, SFO, BOG and UIO.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting EGPH (Reply 16): Interesting to see EDI back, IB Express did that route during Summer 13 on a seasonal basis however it was not carried on into Summer 14 and rumor had it it was because they had been mauled by EasyJet and pax number were dismal. I have to say though my comparison of fares during the Summer 13 run found IB a lot more expensive than EZY on any given day. |
This is a much better frequency and year round too. It should do much better, certainly when compared to the disaster that was GLA-MAD not so long ago.
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
Some more details already revealed.
IBERIA in Summer 2015 season is increasing Madrid – New York JFK service, as the airline adds 18th weekly flight from 02JUN15, 19th weekly from 06JUL15.
IB6251 MAD1230 – 1445JFK 333 D
IB6253 MAD1700 – 1915JFK 340 D
IB6257 MAD1850 – 2115JFK 340 x45
IB6250 JFK1705 – 0625+1MAD 333 D
IB6252 JFK2055 – 1015+1MAD 340 D
IB6258 JFK2305 – 1225+1MAD 340 x45
IBERIA, including IBERIA Express, is introducing a number of European routes, which some of them are service resumption. Planned operation as follow.
IBERIA Mainline:
Madrid – Budapest eff 02JUN15 3 weekly
Madrid – Catania eff 20JUN15 1 weekly (up to 3-4 weekly in July/August, including IBERIA Regional service, until 12SEP15)
Madrid – Florence eff 29MAR15 6 weekly
Madrid – Funchal eff 04JUL15 2 weekly (5 weekly from 26JUL15 to 29AUG15, including IBERIA Regional service, until 12SEP15)
Madrid – Hamburg eff 30MAR15 4 weekly
Madrid – Palermo eff 23JUN15 1 weekly (until 08SEP15)
IBERIA Express service:
Asturias – Tenerife North eff 31MAR15 3 weekly
Madrid – Edinburgh eff 29MAR15 4 weekly (6 weekly from 20JUL15 to 06SEP15)
Madrid – Naples eff 01JUN15 3 weekly (4 weekly from 29JUN15 to 06SEP15)
Madrid – Verona eff 02JUN15 3 weekly
IBERIA in Summer 2015 season is increasing Madrid – New York JFK service, as the airline adds 18th weekly flight from 02JUN15, 19th weekly from 06JUL15.
IB6251 MAD1230 – 1445JFK 333 D
IB6253 MAD1700 – 1915JFK 340 D
IB6257 MAD1850 – 2115JFK 340 x45
IB6250 JFK1705 – 0625+1MAD 333 D
IB6252 JFK2055 – 1015+1MAD 340 D
IB6258 JFK2305 – 1225+1MAD 340 x45
IBERIA, including IBERIA Express, is introducing a number of European routes, which some of them are service resumption. Planned operation as follow.
IBERIA Mainline:
Madrid – Budapest eff 02JUN15 3 weekly
Madrid – Catania eff 20JUN15 1 weekly (up to 3-4 weekly in July/August, including IBERIA Regional service, until 12SEP15)
Madrid – Florence eff 29MAR15 6 weekly
Madrid – Funchal eff 04JUL15 2 weekly (5 weekly from 26JUL15 to 29AUG15, including IBERIA Regional service, until 12SEP15)
Madrid – Hamburg eff 30MAR15 4 weekly
Madrid – Palermo eff 23JUN15 1 weekly (until 08SEP15)
IBERIA Express service:
Asturias – Tenerife North eff 31MAR15 3 weekly
Madrid – Edinburgh eff 29MAR15 4 weekly (6 weekly from 20JUL15 to 06SEP15)
Madrid – Naples eff 01JUN15 3 weekly (4 weekly from 29JUN15 to 06SEP15)
Madrid – Verona eff 02JUN15 3 weekly
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting migair54 (Reply 23): |
| Quoting migair54 (Reply 23): In this topic, you can see the IB presentation, and they say clearly that they are considering new markets, also that that the A340 are going to stay at least until 2020 and they will continue operating "hot and high" airports" and IB consider MEX, SFO, BOG and UIO. |
Did you mean LAX? IB doesn't fly SFO. I don't read any mention of SFO in the investor presentation?
RE: IB To Launch 12 New Destinations From MAD In S15
| Quoting thekorean (Reply 18): doesn't regional flights in EU hemorrhage money? |
Well, the goal of the restructuring was precisely to make EU flying sustainable again in itself. IB Express is making a profit, and it seems that they now seems confident enough to take it up against U2. The IB mainline routes are higher yielding, with little or no competition, so they should work as well.
| Quoting Markam (Reply 13): Perhaps BOS will be back to year-round soon? Or even a return to IAD? |
When the new A332's come in, that is certainly a possibility, particularly BOS. IB's problem on those routes was that they were abusing an A343 as they had nothing better, but an A332 should do well.
| Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21): Where has IB used the "full" range of the A340-600 ? |
I should have explained more. IB uses the pretty much full combined payload-range (since they go hand-in-hand) on a number of routes, where they fly deep into LatAm hot&high, terrain-challenged destinations, and fly back out with a full pax load and full belly. It's not about pure "marketing" range, it's how much range you have with a full load.
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