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Hawaii Aviation Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:40 am

Everything aviation in Hawaii. From HA to HNL to Molokai to Hilo to Lihue. Knock yourselves out!!

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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:35 am

So, now that GO! is gone, anyone think Aloha will spring back, or something new to replace them?
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:42 am

What ever happened to the HNL Rarebirds threads?

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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:00 am

Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 1):

As much as locals don't like to hear it, Aloha was a terribly mismanaged airline, particularly in its later years

Thankfully, HA was able to absorb many of its employees in the fallout.

Hawaii's seasonality is good for one airline and MAYBE a smaller one (not counting Island Air and Mokulele). Two airlines the size of HA and AQ will never work in the future

Debate that how you will...
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:14 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 3):

Agree, but I think we're seeing the same problem now with Ohana, Mokulele, and Island Air. I think one of them is going to disappear and sadly I think it will be Island Air.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:23 pm

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 4):
Agree, but I think we're seeing the same problem now with Ohana, Mokulele, and Island Air. I think one of them is going to disappear and sadly I think it will be Island Air.

That would be sad if Island Air would disappear! Flew all three of them last month and despite the interior being a bit worn I enjoyed my Island Air flight the most  
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:44 pm

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 4):
Agree, but I think we're seeing the same problem now with Ohana, Mokulele, and Island Air. I think one of them is going to disappear and sadly I think it will be Island Air.

One must view 'Ohana as an extension of Hawaiian, therefore as long as Hawaiian is around, it's not going anywhere. IF another airline exits the Hawaii market, it would be either Island Air or Mokulele. Though, Island Air does have the financial backing of Larry Ellison, which is a game changer for the company and Mokulele has found a niche in the smallest under served communities. In the end, I think there could be a scheduled market where HAL/'Ohana, Island Air and Mokulele all coexist. There is likely not room for another scheduled carrier and certainly not one that would want to, or even could attempt to reach the size, coverage and reliability that HAL enjoys at the moment.

[Edited 2014-12-16 12:48:56]

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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:02 pm

I find it interesting that AS has become such a dominant player in the Hawaii market. It definitely helps that AS has a loyal following in places such as ANC, SEA, PDX, Bay Area, and LAX. To me they have essentially replaced Aloha for feed to the mainland. Also I think AS has been the main reason WN has not entered the Hawaii market.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:22 pm

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 7):
Also I think AS has been the main reason WN has not entered the Hawaii market.


I agree totally with this statement. Will WN try a Hawai'i route in the future, maybe, but I would think that they might want to code share with AS like they did with ATA back in the day.

What are the thoughts of the 717's going to slimline seats so that they can get another two rows in the plane. It was a nice ride every time and they seems to have more room of the 717 than the 767 I took from the mainland.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...lim-line-seats-20141205-story.html
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:09 am

I'm not sure if AS would want to partner with WN for Hawaii flights only.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:26 am

Anyone know when Island Air is supposed to be receiving their first new Q400?
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:34 am

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 10):

Anyone know when Island Air is supposed to be receiving their first new Q400?

It should be any time now. Planespotters says it got delivered a week ago on the 11th, but their is still saying that it has a Canadian registration and nobodys seen the plane(or at least theres no proof) so who knows where/ what its doing.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...Canada/DHC-8_Dash-8/DHC-8-400/?p=5

Also, I see that Island Air is getting 7 F seats on their Q-Series, thought that was interesting to see F on a Q400
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:02 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 8):
What are the thoughts of the 717's going to slimline seats so that they can get another two rows in the plane. It was a nice ride every time and they seems to have more room of the 717 than the 767 I took from the mainland.

The refresh of the 717s will provide a consistent product, which will be fresh, modern and complement the concept on the 330s. It also allows HAL to add seats to the market, without adding airframes. In the end, everyone wins.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:40 pm

Quoting nikeson13 (Reply 11):
Also, I see that Island Air is getting 7 F seats on their Q-Series, thought that was interesting to see F on a Q400

Considering the market that the Four Seasons Lanai resorts cater to, and Ellison's ownership of both Island Air and most of the island, having a first class offering makes sense.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:43 am

Quoting hawaiian717 (Reply 13):

Not sure you need a first class for a 15-20 minute flight though.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 14):

Quoting hawaiian717 (Reply 13):

Not sure you need a first class for a 15-20 minute flight though.

It has less to do with need, than perception for high-end travelers and if I'm not mistaken, Island Air still maintains a codeshare with UA which will make it easier to fill those seats.

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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:27 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 8):
I agree totally with this statement. Will WN try a Hawai'i route in the future, maybe, but I would think that they might want to code share with AS like they did with ATA back in the day.

I think HA would be a better code share partner.. They already partner on cargo

Quoting nikeson13 (Reply 11):
Also, I see that Island Air is getting 7 F seats on their Q-Series, thought that was interesting to see F on a Q400

RP (UAX) has it on theirs
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:20 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):
I think HA would be a better code share partner.. They already partner on cargo

Indeed. If an airline that chooses not to serve Hawaii wants a code-share partner, HAL is the obvious choice. With more destinations than any other airline on offer, it's a no brainer.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:24 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 17):
HA does not have more Hawaiian destinations than Mokulele. Mokulele has them beat on that I believe.

[Edited 2014-12-20 19:26:04]
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:44 am

"Hijacking" this Hawaiian topic a little, just to felicitate Gabriel Medina for winning the first Surfing World Title for Brazil in our history! HNL was packed full of Brazilians showing support, at least some good news for a country devastated by corruption and so many other sad things, at least a good thing to finish off the blood bath this 2014 was!
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 19):

Is the Pacific your new stomping ground? If so your insights will be interesting/
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:42 am

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 18):

My comment was made in response to a suggestion Southwest code-share with Alaska, meaning code-sharing TO Hawaii from the mainland. It was suggested by another poster, to which I agreed, Hawaiian would be a better partner, considering their network. Though Mokulele does serve a good amount of destinations in Hawaii, that's not really the point.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:11 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 21):

Okay I see what you mean now. I think either HA or AS would be great for any airline to partner with on Hawaii flights.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:58 am

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 7):

I find it interesting that AS has become such a dominant player in the Hawaii market. It definitely helps that AS has a loyal following in places such as ANC, SEA, PDX, Bay Area, and LAX. To me they have essentially replaced Aloha for feed to the mainland. Also I think AS has been the main reason WN has not entered the Hawaii market.

Just went to Hawaii for the first time! My GOD! It is paradise. I took AS from SEA to PDX to OGG. The SEA to PDX ride was on a Q400, which was my first ride on one. N405QX was run down, and needs a serious refurb. The PDX to OGG was on a 737-800 with the new sky interior. I seriously don't know how I survived that trip without the digital player. The service was great, but.... I learned AS is coming out with a new IFE system that works with cell phones, tablets, and laptops. Very much needed on such a long ride.

The trip home was fast, nonstop, and a good crew.

If you have never been to Hawaii, you have to go! The people of that island are incredibly friendly. The food is amazing! Loco Moco is now my fave! It is paradise!

We are planning another trip next year. I think we will give Kona a try. I know Alaska has nonstop service, but I really want to try Hawaiian this time. I really want to try my first ride on a A330, and 717. I also hear Kona is a little less expensive. Any suggestions?
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:56 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
The service was great, but.... I learned AS is coming out with a new IFE system that works with cell phones, tablets, and laptops. Very much needed on such a long ride.

Does AS plan on installing satellite based WiFi? Because without it, you won't be able to stream on your device over the water on the flights to Hawaii.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:00 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):

North Shore Oahu is where it's at! You get the local flavor of Hawaii and also you get great smaller Hawaiian beaches. You have great local beaches at Sunset, Waimea, and Haleiwa is a great little surf town. Kahuku shrimp truck is a must go, best you'll have. BYU-Hawaii is a great little university to check out, it's located in Laie, near Kahuku. Also in Kahuku, you also should go to the Kahuku cafe, great food! Laie is a small little Mormon type town. There is a great little beach their called Temple Beach. You can also visit the Mormon visitors center in Laie, located near the Mormon temple in Laie. The Polynesian cultural center in Laie is a must go to on a Oahu as well! They have great food, shows, and activities, and it's for a good price. Waimea Bay is my favorite beach on the island. Also Waimea valley is a cool place to check out. It's where Jurassic Park was filmed. Turtle Bay Resort is a good place to stay at on North Shore. You also have smaller hotels around Laie and Haleiwa as well. There is great local food places all over North Shore.

Again North Shore is only recommended if you want the local Hawaiian type vacation. If you want the more typical tourist type Hawaiian vacation then Waikiki on Oahu, Kona on the Big Island, and west Maui are your best bets. If you want the local Hawaiian type vacation, then Hana on Maui, North shore Oahu, and the island of Molokai, are you best choices. Local type vacations are going to be a lot cheaper than the more tourist type I mentioned.

I also recommend Mokulele Airlines if you are going to hop around the islands or nead a quick little hop to another island.

[Edited 2014-12-21 11:01:13]

[Edited 2014-12-21 11:05:05]
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
I also hear Kona is a little less expensive. Any suggestions?

Kona is wonderful and if you have the time, you absolutely must check out the Hawaii Volcanoes Natl Park, among other sites. Mrs. 777fan and I used to live in Honolulu and on a couple of occasions, would fly into ITO (you skirt the northern face of the island and are afforded some awesome views - sit on the right side of the plane), visited the park and then drove counter-clockwise around the island, stopping several times along the way to admire the insanely beautiful landscape (the Big Island has something like 7 of the earth's 11 climate zones). Aviation-wise, ITO is mostly unremarkable, like any other regional airport on the mainland.

The windward (Hilo) side of the island is mostly devoid of decent hotels and resorts, save for some bed and breakfasts and inns. There's a lodge within the volcano park and it looks pretty homely, but is isolated from anything other than the park which is amazing; you can smell the sulfrous vents, stand in lava fields that were molten 40 years earlier, feel the warm ground, hike through old lava tubes, and mosey down toward the ocean to see the active flows dump into the sea.

The windward coast features amazing scenery with cliffside highways, tall, thin waterfalls and amazing vegetation and vistas. The high country (Waimea) is great for hiking and in some ways always reminded me of Northern California. The Kailua-Kona coast is dotted with resorts of varying levels of comfort and service; they're a bit cheaper than Oahu, comparable to Kauai, and generally less expensive than Maui. For the most part, the leeward side of the island consists of gently sloping fields of volcanic rock that resemble a lunar landscape and climb all the way to Mauna Kea/Loa - it's pretty surreal.

The Kailua-Kona town area is just a few minutes from OGG and has a quaint town center. If you're a beer drinker, check out the Kona Brewing Company on the way to the airport. Their pupus and pizzas are solid and if you go at night, they host some decent live music. All in all, the Big Island is probably worth a week by itself, and as you've probably seen on TRs, OGG is a pretty unique airport with its mostly outdoor terminals and seaside tarmac.

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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 24):
Does AS plan on installing satellite based WiFi? Because without it, you won't be able to stream on your device over the water on the flights to Hawaii.

Yes, you will. The streaming systems that AA, DL, AS, etc. have stream from a local server that stores the content on the plane, not from the ground.
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:25 pm

On a slightly different subject, Obama arrived into HNL on Friday night. There is a presidential TFR over the WHOLE island... the GA community isn't very happy (we can file IFR flight plans straight to another island, but thats all we can do)
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:37 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):
Yes, you will. The streaming systems that AA, DL, AS, etc. have stream from a local server that stores the content on the plane, not from the ground.

Oh that's right, I forgot it was from an onboard server and not WiFi. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):
I think HA would be a better code share partner.. They already partner on cargo
Quoting azjubilee (Reply 17):
Indeed. If an airline that chooses not to serve Hawaii wants a code-share partner, HAL is the obvious choice. With more destinations than any other airline on offer, it's a no brainer.

Which airline has more seats to Hawai'i, AS or HA?
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:08 am

Quoting flynhi808 (Reply 28):
On a slightly different subject, Obama arrived into HNL on Friday night. There is a presidential TFR over the WHOLE island... the GA community isn't very happy (we can file IFR flight plans straight to another island, but thats all we can do)

Is this new just this year or was it in place the the other years for his Hawaiian vacation? I would assume the area of Oahu that he is at would have a TFR, but not the other islands.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:13 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 30):
Which airline has more seats to Hawai'i, AS or HA?

Hands down HA... HA is running widebodies down there A330 & 767 vs AS 738
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:24 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 32):
Hands down HA... HA is running widebodies down there A330 & 767 vs AS 738

I only ask, because as a person that flys HA (and only HA) to Hawai'i from PHX, there has not been an open seat on my last five flights. To me it seems as it would be hard to find the seats on planes that are not going to/from LAX or LAS to HNL.

I often wondered why HA has not partnered with someone that has a vast network on the mainland.

How are HA's numbers on HA-50 (HNL - JFK) and HA-51 (JFK - HNL)?
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:45 am

What's the problem with G4 in Hawaii? I just saw that they dropped OGG and now only serve HNL from LAS and LAX. At one point I thought G4 had about ten destinations from the mainland to HNL...

[Edited 2014-12-21 17:46:09]
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 30):
Which airline has more seats to Hawai'i, AS or HA?

HA without question.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 33):
I often wondered why HA has not partnered with someone that has a vast network on the mainland.

HA partners with AA, as well as jetBlue and Virgin America. The latter two have reciprocal code-shares, while HA/AA have a FF'er partnership.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 33):
How are HA's numbers on HA-50 (HNL - JFK) and HA-51 (JFK - HNL)?

Loads are healthy.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:55 am

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 25):
Also Waimea valley is a cool place to check out. It's where Jurassic Park was filmed.

The only scene filmed on Oahu, the Gallimimus herd scene, was filmed at Kualoa Ranch.

Quoting flynhi808 (Reply 28):
There is a presidential TFR over the WHOLE island... the GA community isn't very happy (we can file IFR flight plans straight to another island, but thats all we can do)

Not exactly true. Many GA activities are still allowed over the outer core of the TFR with prior arrangements as listed in the TFR.

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1777.html

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 31):
Is this new just this year or was it in place the the other years for his Hawaiian vacation? I would assume the area of Oahu that he is at would have a TFR, but not the other islands.

It is not new and has been in place every year since 2009. In fact, the TFR has been changed to create an inner and outer core to ease the restrictions and allow most GA activities to occur in the outer core of the TFR.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:58 am

There have been some recent discussions and I believe Wikipedia is showing HA resuming the PDX-OGG flight in summer 2015. Obviously Wikipedia is not the best reference for this information...however can anyone confirm that HA is set to resume the PDX-OGG n/s service?
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:17 pm

It's not impossible that HA will announce a seasonal OGG-PDX flight for Summer 2015, but it's not showing up in their online schedules as of right now.
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 37):

There have been some recent discussions and I believe Wikipedia is showing HA resuming the PDX-OGG flight in summer 2015. Obviously Wikipedia is not the best reference for this information...however can anyone confirm that HA is set to resume the PDX-OGG n/s service?


Nothing official has been announced by HAL regarding this route resumption. And taking a look at the Wikipedia page, there's no mention of this PDX flying, but the page is filled with errors. It also looks to not have been updated in awhile.

[Edited 2014-12-22 11:34:51]
 
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 14):
Not sure you need a first class for a 15-20 minute flight though.

When you have money to burn it just doesn't matter. People want what they want.
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RE: Hawaii Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 40):

Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 14):
Not sure you need a first class for a 15-20 minute flight though.

When you have money to burn it just doesn't matter. People want what they want.

Well if I pay for first class from PHX-OGG, the flight from HNL-OGG needs a first class seat.  

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