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Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:20 am

Welcome to the 112th edition of the Australian Aviation Threads.

Australian Aviation Thread 111 (by allrite Nov 30 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:24 am

In relation to the UA diversions due to the runway incident at SYD, since UA has cancelled their next Australian bound flights and will instead put all passengers onto the same aircraft, does it raise questions about the current loads, unless of course UA has managed to put a fair bit of the affected passengers onto QF, DL, VA, NZ via AKL etc?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:25 am

""""Quoting qf002 (Reply 202):
The only other thing I can think of is that UA's 77Es mightn't have the capacity to carry more than the bare minimum of reserve fuel. While others might have the ability to wait an extra 15-20 minutes, UA might be forced to divert at the first suggestion that there could be any issues getting into SYD (which would also explain why they went to CBR rather than MEL/BNE which would both be far more sensible options).""""



Good point. The other flights from the USA are operated by the 777-200LR, A380 & 747-400 - which all could outlast the 777-200ER of UA IIRC...

But, the flight from LAX, which is slightly longer in distance to SYD than the flight from SFO, actually diverted to BNE. It was the flight from SFO that diverted to CBR. I wonder where they were when they decided to divert? I will now look at flightaware to see where they were...

Hmmm... Interesting... The flightaware map for the flight from SFO on 10/12/2014 shows the SFO-SYD flight did a cicrle over NSW slightly inland North of Sydney before flying over SYD and then going down to CBR... The flight on 10/12/2014 from LAX shows that it just made a turn to BNE from a similar position, maybe a bit farther North...

Meanwhile, today's / tonight's UA 839 is 15 mins out of LAX
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
UA has cancelled their next Australian bound flights

From what I can see it looks as if UA863 from SFO to SYD has been cancelled but UA839 from LAX just departed to SYD.

So, UA cancelled both USA bound flight today -(I guess the US crew due to operate to the USA but had to be flown in to CBR and BNE to bring the birds down to SYD would have timed out)- but UA will have three going back to the USA tomorrow: The two cancelled flights from SYD today plus the one arriving in from LAX tomorrow morning. I wonder if SFO or LAX will get the extra flight? My money is on SFO.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:11 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 3):
From what I can see it looks as if UA863 from SFO to SYD has been cancelled but UA839 from LAX just departed to SYD.

My son was scheduled to be on UA 863 SFO-SYD tonight but when he arrived at SFO he was informed he would be going to LAX to catch UA839 LAX-SYD due to "damage to ATC equipment". UA839 pushed back at 00:47 (UTC-8) 19:47 (UTC+11) 2:17 late, now due in SYD at 9:50am 13/12.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:02 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 4):

  

SFO is a mess today, first with the storm itself and then the flow-on effects. Yesterday morning (US time) the average delay at SFO was 220 minutes (almost four hours!) and that was before the worse of it even hit.

UA have enough slack at SFO that they could easily cover the flight if it was only smarter of aircraft been stuck downroute.


And QF is probably spot on about them using sUA 772s meaning they have less wige room. Even using sCO 772s would give them a bit more breathing room, but given that they have been using 777s for 9 months now they are probably fairly satisfied overall.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:41 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 4):
My son was scheduled to be on UA 863 SFO-SYD tonight but when he arrived at SFO he was informed he would be going to LAX to catch UA839 LAX-SYD due to "damage to ATC equipment".
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
SFO is a mess today, first with the storm itself and then the flow-on effects.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
UA have enough slack at SFO that they could easily cover the flight if it was only smarter of aircraft been stuck downroute.

Not that airlines see much good out of IRROPS, but how convenient for the storm & flow-on effects at SFO to be happening right when UA had two birds stuck overnight in SYD.

I have heard that the chances of UA863 operating last night were almost none regardless of what was happening at SFO.

"Damage to ATC equipment" resulting from the storm was the perfect reason to blame the cancellation on.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:38 am

Today only the two usual UA flights departed from SYD. The third UA 777, N782UA, will spend another night in SYD and is scheduled to operate as UA870 to SFO tomorrow.

Meanwhile, UA863 is on its way to SYD from SFO, being operated by N783UA, and is scheduled to operate back to LAX as UA840 tomorrow. UA839 is also on its way to SYD from LAX, being operated by N224UA, but is not scheduled for a flight back to the USA tomorrow at this stage...

So, I wonder what UA intends to do with the extra bird in SYD -- Eventually just operate a third flight on a specific date, or, possibly cancel one inbound flight to SYD one day and then send it back to the USA the following day so that there will be the two normal departures from SYD each day???

Also, according to an article on news.com.au about the UA plane stuck in CBR yesterday, I found the following quote:

"United Airlines would not foot the bill for Australian Customs officers to travel out to the aircraft to clear the passengers."

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:21 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 7):
The third UA 777, N782UA, will spend another night in SYD and is scheduled to operate as UA870 to SFO tomorrow.

Here she is this afternoon (about 2 hours after she was supposed to fly out):

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:56 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):

Lucky the MEL tag has been dropped otherwise MEL & SYD passengers would've been stranded. Then again QF probably would've picked up the disrupts.

Btw, I see you drive a Golf  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):

It's 11 days until Christmas, nobody is flying around with empty flights right now. I would be really intrigued how UA dealt with all those rebookings without putting on an extra segment.

And since we're on the subject of UA, I have my first 787 flight today (US time) on UA98 to MEL. I really am quite excited to try out the Dreamliner!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:23 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 10):
It's 11 days until Christmas, nobody is flying around with empty flights right now. I would be really intrigued how UA dealt with all those rebookings without putting on an extra segment.

And since we're on the subject of UA, I have my first 787 flight today (US time) on UA98 to MEL. I really am quite excited to try out the Dreamliner!

Agreed and would've been interesting to see how UA managed to reshuffle all of these disrupted pax.

Enjoy the Dreamliner experience it's certainly worth it & probably beats the A380 to be honest with you.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):

Nice pics!

Today was the day when the third UA 777 flew back to the USA from SYD. N782UA is operating as UA2195 to LAX and departed SYD at 1543 in addition to the normal two UA departures (N783UA as UA840 to LAX departed at 1327 & N224UA as UA870 to SFO departed at 1448). I am guessing that UA2195 would just be a ferry flight without pax??? Or was it a revenue flight???

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 10):
And since we're on the subject of UA, I have my first 787 flight today (US time) on UA98 to MEL. I really am quite excited to try out the Dreamliner!

Enjoy your first 787 flight  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:01 am

Apparently Sydney airspace has been closed due to the hostage situation in Sydney CBD.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting LandSweetLand (Reply 13):
Apparently Sydney airspace has been closed due to the hostage situation in Sydney CBD.

At this stage it is just airspace over the CBD that has been closed.

According to the news one of the people who has taken the hostages has said that he has devices planted all over the city and wants to talk to the PM.

This is quite disgusting...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:22 am

ABC news24 just updated saying that cbd airspace is not shutdown but they are rerouting air traffic.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:24 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 10):

It's 11 days until Christmas, nobody is flying around with empty flights right now. I would be really intrigued how UA dealt with all those rebookings without putting on an extra segment.

While I don't know about USA flights, I can tell you that there are plenty of international flights operating into BNE at the moment that are very far from full.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:35 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 16):
While I don't know about USA flights, I can tell you that there are plenty of international flights operating into BNE at the moment that are very far from full.

Inbound or outbound though? I would be very surprised if there were outbound international flights that are not 80%++ full.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:44 am

What days and what route does the JQ 787 operate domestic services on?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:22 pm

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/410/emirates-a380-for-perth

Apparently EK will be servicing PER (EK420/1) With an A380 from 1 May.

Hopefully this is correct, anyway it is overdue by now.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):

What days and what route does the JQ 787 operate domestic services on?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:39 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):
Apparently EK will be servicing PER (EK420/1) With an A380 from 1 May.

VA will also see this as good news as it means the new (and very late) terminal redevelopment will be complete and it can relocate into the new T1 and open its new Lounge as well as unveil its new check-in concept for which PER is the first port.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:10 pm

VA has released the ASP flights for sale. First service seems to be 30 March 2015. Schedule as follows:

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That week is still within daylight savings time for ADL so presumably VA1740 will arrive 1205 and VA1741 will depart 1245 after daylight savings ends (as the routing is anchored in DRW). MEL-DRW may have some adjustments as well. I'm having issues with VA website at the moment so not going to look too far into it!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:38 am

Not too sure if this has been raised on here, but it looks like Qantas will ditch the QF15/16 flight number on the LAX - JFK sectors in favor of QF11 and QF18 from/to Sydney. Looks like it will change from April.

Any reason for the change? Maybe it is more marketable to have QF18 to Sydney, instead of QF16 to Brisbane on the boards at JFK.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:53 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 23):
Not too sure if this has been raised on here, but it looks like Qantas will ditch the QF15/16 flight number on the LAX - JFK sectors in favor of QF11 and QF18 from/to Sydney. Looks like it will change from April.

Any reason for the change? Maybe it is more marketable to have QF18 to Sydney, instead of QF16 to Brisbane on the boards at JFK.  

1st April 2015
SYD1JFK 0950 1715 QF 11

5th April 2015
JFK1SYD 1845*0735 QF 18

Pretty sure this hasn't even changed yet to QF15/6, thought that was changing in the new year. Strange!

Also JQ's first BNE-HNL service arrives in BNE today at 1425 as JQ 6 and leaves this arvo as JQ 5.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:25 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 16):

While I don't know about USA flights, I can tell you that there are plenty of international flights operating into BNE at the moment that are very far from full.

I don't know where you are getting that from but the flights are chockers! I wish there was spare seats lol, the airport is crazy busy at the moment! Inbound maybe a bit quieter...but outbound they are mostly all full or oversold with all the biggies like CX, SQ, EY, TG, MH, EK, CZ, QF etc... I know some of the airlines have been so oversold they have been sending pax on domestic flights down to SYD and MEL to connect onto international flights as the BNE service don't have any space for weeks!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:39 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 16):
While I don't know about USA flights, I can tell you that there are plenty of international flights operating into BNE at the moment that are very far from full.

There still seems to be capacity on direct BNE-LAX services on both QF and VA this week. though it looks like they are all basically full-fare options in most classes. Pretty much the same situation ex MEL and SYD.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:12 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 23):
Not too sure if this has been raised on here, but it looks like Qantas will ditch the QF15/16 flight number on the LAX - JFK sectors in favor of QF11 and QF18 from/to Sydney. Looks like it will change from April.

Any reason for the change? Maybe it is more marketable to have QF18 to Sydney, instead of QF16 to Brisbane on the boards at JFK.

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5th April 2015
JFK1SYD 1845*0735 QF 18

I was booked on this service QF15 BNE-JFK in October next year, just noticed the change in flight number, sched stays the same. Looks like they will use same aircraft 744 from BNE to JFK but it picks up QF11 flight number in LAX. As QF11 is A380 to lax then 744 to JFK. The return looks like it is the same 744 all the way back to SYD though as QF18. Which means the 744 that runs QF17 must then return to BNE as QF16.

I'm now booked QF15 BNE-LAX, QF11 LAX-JFK.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:32 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 27):
I was booked on this service QF15 BNE-JFK in October next year, just noticed the change in flight number, sched stays the same. Looks like they will use same aircraft 744 from BNE to JFK but it picks up QF11 flight number in LAX. As QF11 is A380 to lax then 744 to JFK. The return looks like it is the same 744 all the way back to SYD though as QF18. Which means the 744 that runs QF17 must then return to BNE as QF16.

I'm now booked QF15 BNE-LAX, QF11 LAX-JFK.

Does the change affect the earn and burn of status credits? For example the QF calculator shows SYD-JFK as earning 12400 points in Discount Y whereas MEL-LAX-JFK earns 11600 despite being a longer trip overall.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:43 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 23):
Any reason for the change? Maybe it is more marketable to have QF18 to Sydney, instead of QF16 to Brisbane on the boards at J

Why, to help reduce confusion, could they not have 3 flight numbers on the boards at JFK? One for each of the SYD, MEL and BNE flights that branch off at LAX?

A slight follow on, is it at all possible for a carrier to run a flight with 3 of its own numbers? I mean, they carry codeshares, but for situations like this, could it be done? (NB, this is a theoretical question only, as (a), it doesn't look to be broken now so nothing to fix, and (b) the admin here would be increased.)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:05 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 24):

I'm curious why was the inaugural service originatied in HNL & not BNE-HNL?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:24 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
I'm curious why was the inaugural service originatied in HNL & not BNE-HNL?

Doesn't the aircraft rotate through HNL? No JQ A330 services to BNE apart from HNL, so rotating through HNL to SYD and MEL makes sense...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:57 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 31):

I'm not familiar with JQ's aircraft rotations hence why I asked the question.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:27 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 20):

Thanks
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:05 am

Jetstar has announced three new routes - MEL-WLG, CNS-DPS and OOL-PER. Flights commence 29th or 30th of March.

OOL-CNS is on an A320 and appears to operate 3x weekly.
MEL-WLG operates 4x weekly, departing MEL at 0045.
OOL-PER operates 4x weekly

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:10 am

Must surely have been mentioned before, but according to a Facebook post Jetstar are starting:

* CNS - DPS (29 March 2015)
* MEL-WEL (30 March 2015)
* PER - OOL (29 March 2015)

The CNS - DPS is, according to the schedules, an A320

CNS: 2250 DPS: 0130 (+1)
DSP: 0220 CNS: 0855
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:12 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 34):
Jetstar has announced three new routes

Thanks for sharing!

OOL-PER is something I'd like to try on JQ  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:17 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 36):
OOL-PER is something I'd like to try on JQ

It has been tried before and wasnt successful, but maybe now that they no longer operate BNE-PER, they feel they can be more successful. Lets hope so! Its great to see new routes opening up in Australia!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:42 am

What's happening in BNE 03JAN15? I'm operating a flight with a different flight number, and there are 2 BNE-PER that day, QF1201 and QF1203?

Any ideas?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:51 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 37):
It has been tried before and wasnt successful, but maybe now that they no longer operate BNE-PER, they feel they can be more successful. Lets hope so! Its great to see new routes opening up in Australia!

That's what I was thinking.

Must feel now is a better chance.

Quoting allrite (Reply 35):
The CNS - DPS is, according to the schedules, an A320

Will be interesting to see. Both leisure destinations, which hardly seems ideal, but good luck to them there.

Quoting allrite (Reply 35):
MEL-WEL (30 March 2015)

Was waiting to see them add this for a while. With CHC and AKL both getting JQ flights from MEL, makes sense to add WLG.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:41 am

Woo hoo more stupid o'clock departures from Tullamarine!  

In all seriousness, their sale fare on the route - $99 each way - is probably worth the stupid oclock departure times.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:10 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 40):
Woo hoo more stupid o'clock departures from Tullamarine!  

You can go back to the 1960's and find such departure times to NZ were quite normal (from MEB). In those days it was QF and ANZ. In other words back of the clock departures to NZ were, are, and will be, quite normal.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:33 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 34):
MEL-WLG operates 4x weekly, departing MEL at 0045.

Good addition! I wonder if QF will pull back capacity on this route with JQ entering?

On another note, it seems very odd that JQ doesn't have any trans-tasman routes from BNE. IIRC JQ's first (and only) TT route was BNE-CHC, which has since ended. Surely they don't think people are happy to drive from Brisbane to OOL to catch a JQ flight to New Zealand. Even just a few times weekly BNE-AKL flight?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:56 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 42):
I wonder if QF will pull back capacity on this route with JQ entering?

Under the approval conditions of the NZ Competition Commission of the EK/QF JV, I don't think they can.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 42):
On another note, it seems very odd that JQ doesn't have any trans-tasman routes from BNE. IIRC JQ's first (and only) TT route was BNE-CHC, which has since ended. Surely they don't think people are happy to drive from Brisbane to OOL to catch a JQ flight to New Zealand. Even just a few times weekly BNE-AKL flight?

How I see the QF group's approach to BNE & OOL is that for the most part BNE will serve business travel and OOL leisure, hence a route like WLG would logically see JQ from OOL and QF from BNE. Also I think you'd maybe be surprised at the number of people who ARE happy to fly to BNE and drive / train to OOL and vice versa.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:39 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 42):
Surely they don't think people are happy to drive from Brisbane to OOL to catch a JQ flight to New Zealand.

I certainly do, it's significantly cheaper than VA/NZ out of BNE so the drive is well worth it, not to mention how easy flying out of OOL is.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:58 am

Quoting VA82 (Reply 45):
So the drive is well worth it, not to mention how easy flying out of OOL is.

But then thrre are people like me who live in Ipswich and the drive to OOL is almost a cool 90, but admittedly most of it is at 100/110kmh so beats the Brisbane traffic, unless of course you're on a very early morning fight or late night flight, or on the train.

I've only flown out of OOL once, and that was to get JQ's 788 in November last year to MEL. The hardest part was finding a car park buy eventually found a vacant one after having to do a full loop around to find the entrance due to bad signage. I'm personally one to prefer to fly out of BNE even though the carparking is close to double what OOL charges, but most of the time if I'm going away for a few nights I get the train (compared to parking onsite for a day trip).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:23 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 39):
Quoting allrite (Reply 35):MEL-WEL (30 March 2015)Was waiting to see them add this for a while. With CHC and AKL both getting JQ flights from MEL, makes sense to add WLG.

I'm waiting to see competition for NZ/VA on WLG-BNE. Yes fares are at a pretty good level currently but competition certainly wouldn't hurt
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 37):
It has been tried before and wasnt successful, but maybe now that they no longer operate BNE-PER, they feel they can be more successful. Lets hope so! Its great to see new routes opening up in Australia!

Good luck indeed, Virgin when they started this route, ended it fairly quickly, there were weight restrictions out of OOL. I assume that with the limited range of the Airbus with load, it would seat less that 70%.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:56 am

Quoting ThunderB (Reply 48):
Good luck indeed, Virgin when they started this route, ended it fairly quickly, there were weight restrictions out of OOL. I assume that with the limited range of the Airbus with load, it would seat less that 70%.

I took this flight in late 2013 when it was originally operating and it was absolutely chockers. Though this was the eastbound leg.

Have to say it was one of the worst flights of my life. The only thing I could imagine worse than a redeye on JQ... is a redeye on TT!

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