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Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:07 pm

Belgian airspace will be closed as union group ACV/CSC Transcom and thus air traffic controllers at Belgocontrol just announced a 24-hour strike from 14 December 22:00 onwards.

http://www.luchtzak.be/airports/brus...-closed-24-hours-14-december-2200/
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:15 pm

I believe some other unions were on strike on Dec 8 and they are again striking on Dec 18. 9W had cancelled all flights via BRU on the 7th and 8th and has now cancelled flights on 14th and 15th.

I have a trip coming up and hope no one's on strike on the 24th and 25th.
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:44 am

So that's why our BRU flight was cancelled on Sunday. I was wondering about that.

Is striking for only 24 hours effective?
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:08 am

Just landed in FRA from DTW, I am waiting for my flight to BRU, should I expect any kind of delay today?
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:38 am

Quoting Mict (Reply 3):
Just landed in FRA from DTW, I am waiting for my flight to BRU, should I expect any kind of delay today?

No, the strike is on Monday 15th - today is normal.

Quoting golfradio (Reply 1):
I have a trip coming up and hope no one's on strike on the 24th and 25th.

Avoid Mondays for the time being.
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:03 am

Jetairfly will shift operations to AMS (long haul) and MST & LIL (short/medium haul) on monday.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:24 am

TNT Express must be loving this with their Major european Hub at Liege, it is X-mas Peak week in the Package industry. guess that new IPad might be a bit late this X-mas??
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:40 pm

Those were 2 awesome weeks for us as well as it's our main European destination.

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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:03 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 6):
TNT Express must be loving this with their Major european Hub at Liege

Actually for TNT the timing of the strike shouldn't be too disruptive. It's scheduled for 24 hours starting Sunday at 22:00. By then very little is happening at the platform and they may have to reschedule a handful of flights if that. Daytime flights on Monday will be cancelled obviously, but there are just a few, and if the airport tower reopens on time, European flights will be able to land more or less as scheduled for Monday night's sort.

It would have been much more disruptive if the strike had begun and ended on weekdays.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:10 am

Any news on the strike happening tomorrow?

My AMS-IAD flight is already upgauged from 763 to 772. Is this to accommodate passengers from the canceled BRU-IAD flight? I have a tight connection at IAD and hoping to make my flight  
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:33 am

Hi all!

Back posting after leaving in disappointment following the Demand takeover... Curiosity killed the cat...   New user name though as I have also changed employer since  

On Monday Dec. 15 all of Belgium is on strike from 06:00 lt. in the morning to 06:00 lt. on Tuesday morning. ATC have just decided they need a longer break, so they start tonight at 22:00 lt.

So TNT will be affected just as they were during the Belgian regional strikes Monday Dec. 1st. All hands on deck working on contingency routing in and out of Europe since days I suppose  

But the Italians are at it too. Their Transport Sector were on strike all Thursday!

Now we just need LH's pilots to go on strike too this week and we will all have a very merry xmas in Europe with loads of delayed presents and travelers  
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:38 pm

Quoting Integrator (Reply 10):
New user name though as I have also changed employer since

well, welcome back, lets hope the People network are sure they can! Bad Timing for strikes, especially in the Express Industry!
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:12 pm

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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting Integrator (Reply 10):
On Monday Dec. 15 all of Belgium is on strike from 06:00 lt. in the morning to 06:00 lt. on Tuesday morning. ATC have just decided they need a longer break, so they start tonight at 22:00 lt.

Incorrect. ATC strike starts at 22.00 tonight, but ends tomorrow at 22.00. It's the same as the railways, they also start at 22.00, until 22.00 tomorrow.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 13):
Incorrect. ATC strike starts at 22.00 tonight, but ends tomorrow at 22.00. It's the same as the railways, they also start at 22.00, until 22.00 tomorrow.

thanks for claryfiying, but I guess those many Pax flts outta BRU and those Freighters outta LGG need to be early tonight! I dont want to get into politics, and certainly ABSOLUTELY appreciate the right to strike, but does this timming not BADLY hurt belgian industry... not only on the aviation side?
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 14):
but does this timming not BADLY hurt belgian industry... not only on the aviation side?

Air transport is probably going to suffer the most because the total closure of airspace below Eurocontrol's upper area was unexpected. The strike itself has been scheduled for quite some time now, and is actually just one of several to hit Belgium in recent weeks. Belgian industry has had time to prepare and airlines were expecting to be able to operate a reduced schedule.

They found out less than a week ago that there would be no flight at all taking off or landing during the strike period. For smaller charter operators relying on O/D traffic like Jetairfly, that's still enough time to plan the use of alternate airports outside of Belgium, but for an airline the size of Brussels, the only practical option is to shut down.

TNT will be somewhat affected, but thankfully for them, not much is happening on the LGG platform during the strike period anyway. As long as the strike ends on schedule (not always a given), planes ought to be able to land in time for the Monday night sort.

[Edited 2014-12-14 10:11:21]
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:15 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 15):
TNT will be somewhat affected, but thankfully for them, not much is happening on the LGG platform during the strike period anyway. As long as the strike ends on schedule (not always a given), planes ought to be able to land in time for the Monday night sort.

just read on another Website, the TNT 737 crews will join the strike. is that not the bulk of their fleet or are they still using Icelandair 757s?? Fingers crossed for TNT and ´all our X-mas presents´!!!
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:42 pm

The strike may also impact flights in and out of LUX and AMS as many begin their descent over or even before Belgium and use Belgocontrol part of the way.

Some operators are getting out as fast as they can, others don't care much apparently. Singapore Cargo is getting out 2 hours early to avoid being grounded but Atlas just landed in LGG and clearly won't go anywhere for 24 hours.

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 16):
is that not the bulk of their fleet or are they still using Icelandair 757s?

It's still a mix of 737s, 757s, a few Avros and a few widebodies. Some aircraft are company-owned, some not. If they were going to strike in December, this is probably the best, or least worst, time as far as management is concerned.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:01 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 15):
They found out less than a week ago that there would be no flight at all taking off or landing during the strike period. For smaller charter operators relying on O/D traffic like Jetairfly, that's still enough time to plan the use of alternate airports outside of Belgium, but for an airline the size of Brussels, the only practical option is to shut down

The Brussels Airlines website is still showing that some flights are operating. For example SN2174 at 10:40 from MAN-BRU.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:02 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 18):
The Brussels Airlines website is still showing that some flights are operating. For example SN2174 at 10:40 from MAN-BRU.

Clerical error most likely.
http://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-be/misc/AlertMessageDetail.aspx
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:10 pm

Of all the days... Etihad was ready to go almost an hour late, got clearance to take off at 21:58! Whoever was late probably would be hanging off a gate by now if the plane had missed the cut-off.
 
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RE: Belgian Airspace Closed For 24 Hours From 14 Dec

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 17):
The strike may also impact flights in and out of LUX and AMS as many begin their descent over or even before Belgium and use Belgocontrol part of the way.

Fortunately for AMS the winds come from the South thus no problems as the aircraft can descent well into Dutch airspace over the North Sea.

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