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Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:06 pm

Jon Ostrower tweeted this yesterday.
Just a typo or do you think they'll really skip the 777-8/-9 designations?
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:29 pm

Why would Boeing make a new 777 a "797" ? That will probably be what the 737 replacement is called in 10 years when its made.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:30 pm

I always had a suspicion that the 777X may become the 797... I speculated as much around the time of the twin Malaysian 777 tragedies...
To me, the time between 'launch' and dropping the 'X' designation (still not done) suggests that something is going on behind the scenes.
I guess we I'll soon find out!
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:32 pm

It's a 777. Not a new aircraft. So, to answer your question. No. It will not be called the 797.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:35 pm

You can see the whole doc. http://www.aspireaviation.com/wp-con.../12/777X-airport-compatibility.pdf
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:27 pm

No, it's just new wings and updated engines with minor changes here and there.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:36 pm

It's a typing error.

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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:48 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
It's a 777. Not a new aircraft. So, to answer your question. No. It will not be called the 797.

I am not sure if that is true or not. I believe there were reports about 6 months ago that the FAA will certify it as an amended type certificate, but if it ends up with a new type certificate, then by definition it would be a new plane. I doubt that affects what it is named since 777-8/9 or 797 is based on marketing and branding rather than whether it is truly a new plane or not.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:51 pm

Generally, if you need a new type rating to fly the plane, you get a new designation. This is not always the case, but it is very common.

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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:51 pm

It has already been advertised as the 777-8 and 777-9. So we kan put this to rest now.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
I am not sure if that is true or not. I believe there were reports about 6 months ago that the FAA will certify it as an amended type certificate, but if it ends up with a new type certificate, then by definition it would be a new plane.

Considering how much it draws from the 777, it will assuredly be an STC.


I agree it's probably supposed to be "779" and someone fat-fingered it or auto correct strikes again.


Interesting it took over a year for anyone to catch it (the document was published in July of 2013).

[Edited 2014-12-16 07:15:08]
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:20 pm

It would make very little sense to market the 777X as an all-new type when the changes to it are very similar to the changes that turned the 737 Classic into the 737NG.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:24 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It would make very little sense to market the 777X as an all-new type when the changes to it are very similar to the changes that turned the 737 Classic into the 737NG.

Whether or not the changes are comparable to the B737 at the time is to me not even that relevant. What is evident is that this version of the B777 is another version of that highly successful aircraft program. The changes are possibly comparable to the B777-200ER turning into the B77W (I leave the B777-300 out of the equation here) and that caused no name change of the airplane either. And why would you give up the very successful brand "Boeing 777" if you don't have to.  
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:26 pm

It is highly unlikely, but one never knows (until 777X gets certified). Look how Boeing changed the model numbering (i.e. 747-436 to 787-8 -> no more customer codes).

However it does make sense to stay at current Boeing 777-8/9 as its is continuation of the Boeing 777 line.

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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):
The changes are possibly comparable to the B777-200ER turning into the B77W (I leave the B777-300 out of the equation here)

777X is a much bigger change than Longer Range 777. 777 -> Longer Range 777 consisted of an update to the existing GE90 engine, a large MTOW boost with the associated structural changes, and raked wingtips. Fuselage length did not change. Interior, wing (except the tip) and systems stayed almost exactly the same. Longer Range 777 -> 777X is an all-new engine, an all-new wing, a fuselage stretch (in both lengths), a new interior, and significiantly revised systems. Those are pretty much the same changes that featured in the 737NG program.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Why would Boeing make a new 777 a "797" ? That will probably be what the 737 replacement is called in 10 years when its made.

I agree. Besides, the 777X is already named and anything like it won't exist for 20+ years. Save it for something new.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:34 pm

Was the 737NG called the 787? I've never seen Boeing do a volte-face once the names are this established, I'll bet a case of whisky they keep the existing names.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:58 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 2):
To me, the time between 'launch' and dropping the 'X' designation (still not done) suggests that something is going on behind the scenes.



No it doesn't, when I see 777X used today, whoever used it is referring to both the 777-8 and 777-9 as a family. Until the new program gets an official moniker like Dreamliner, NG or MAX, etc it will be referred to as the 777X Program.

Quoting hilram (Reply 9):
It has already been advertised as the 777-8 and 777-9. So we kan put this to rest now.

Exactly

The 777-8 and 777-9 WILL BE called 777's. Remember what happened when Airbus tried to pass off the A330NG as the A350 mk1... the same will happen to Boeing if they tried to call it a "new" design.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:30 am

I don't think the problem of the A350 was the name, but rather that people thought it wouldn't be competitive with the 787. Like we know, they were wrong.

The A350 used a new material for the fuselage (glare) so in a way it was almost 100% new.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 16):
Was the 737NG called the 787?

No it wasn't. The 737NG was called 737-X when it was launched by Southwest back in 1993/1994. It eventually became the 737-700. Back then the 787 was not even on the drawing board.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 17):
It has already been advertised as the 777-8 and 777-9. So we kan put this to rest now.

Exactly

The 777-8 and 777-9 WILL BE called 777's.

I agree. Although I think that calling it the 777NG is also a possibility.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:09 am

What is up with that little escape hatch on the rear fuselage? Seems odd this day and age.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:26 am

No!
The 777X is just the next generation of the same thing. Like the 737 becoming the 737NG and now the 737MAX.
The 787 was and is the replacement of the 767, but they replaced it with an entirely different airplane. I can see the 757 becoming the 797, because the 757 production line has stopped and been dead for a while. I guess they could call it the 787-4, but they will not.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:41 am

The bigger question might be, what comes after the 797 designation?
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:15 am

Quoting cschleic (Reply 22):
The bigger question might be, what comes after the 797 designation?

The 807.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:35 am

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 4):
You can see the whole doc. http://www.aspireaviation.com/wp-con...y.pdf

That's not the document Jon tweeted a picture from. Notice that the overall length is different and that Jon's tweeted picture has Boeing Proprietary markings. In the one or two tweets before this he noted the slightly increased length compared with previous information.
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:11 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 23):
The 807.

I'd vote for 808. (Or is that already taken by any other airliner out there?)

I think Boeing will create some new fancy name ('Dreamliner', 'Wordlliner' etc.) as others already mentioned. If they follow Airbus 'neo' approach they'll call it 777MAX.


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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:59 pm

In the past Boeing never used different designations, except maybe 720 and 707. And 717 is basically MD-80 (DC-9). So I don't think that 777x will become 797. But i thinks in the future there will be a 797 which will be a completely new plane. Possibly 757 successor.

But if you want 797 why don't you take haul truck from Catterpillar?
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:35 pm

I personally think that the 777, being one of the most popular aircraft brands ever, will stay 777 for a long time. Besides, 777 is a fabulous brand name.

I would hope to live long enough to see Boeing leap to the 808 category. They will do that (I think) once all 7X7 numbers mean "old planes". Perhaps the 808 series will fly with anti-gravity systems or super-sonic. It should be reserved for a new flying technology that's doesn't use petroleum as fuel.

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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting Karadion (Reply 5):
No, it's just new wings and updated engines with minor changes here and there.

Nope.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 14):
significiantly revised systems.

Yep.

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...ics-and-electrical-systems-awarded is a pretty interesting read if your a techie. The 777X will create 30% more electricity than 777W so you can immediately see changes needed for that. Beyond that, GE won the common core computing system deal over Honeywell so the main computer architecture inside the plane is changing. It's not just "minor changes here and there" its a major revision of the aircraft systems.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:14 pm

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 20):
What is up with that little escape hatch on the rear fuselage? Seems odd this day and age.

That is a Type III (most likely) door, which replaces the overwing Type I door on the 777-300ER (and lowers the overall Exit Limit from 550 to 475).
 
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:09 pm

Quoting LTH (Reply 25):
I think Boeing will create some new fancy name ('Dreamliner', 'Wordlliner' etc.) as others already mentioned. If they follow Airbus 'neo' approach they'll call it 777MAX.

I liked the name "Globeliner" for the 777-8.
Not sure about the 777-9.

Quoting cobra27 (Reply 26):
But i thinks in the future there will be a 797 which will be a completely new plane. Possibly 757 successor.

A lot of us are assuming that's what the Boeing NSA will be.
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RE: Will The 777X Become The 797?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:05 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 23):
Quoting cschleic (Reply 22):
The bigger question might be, what comes after the 797 designation?

The 807.

I'd rather see, 7107.
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