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Alnicocunife
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What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:33 pm

Would there be such a stink if Norwegian was just called "Airline" and they flew all white plain aircraft while flying everywhere from many European cities? Low cost is low cost and others have done it without such a stink before.

What would happen today if Laker wanted to start an airline based in Ireland or Panama or Liberia?

Let the free market take care of the airline. It will IMO. Everyone wants a competition except when it affects them or is there a real good reason to not let a viable company try to be based in one country and never or almost never fly there?
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:10 am

It wonders me why many of you use only Norwegian to name the carrier - after all you don't only say British for British Airways. The correct name of the airline is Norwegian Air Shuttle and this has been their name since 1993.

Norwegian alone on the other hand is an expression for:
- a person with a citizenship in Norway
- an ethnic group native to Norway
- a language (actually two written languages - bokmål and nynorsk)
- for those of you familiar with railways; talking about a Norwegian within this field means a coupling (this coupling is also called a meat chopper and this tells a lot how it works)
- a township in Pennsylvania, USA
- if you are a breeder of dairy cattle you would know about the Norwegian Red
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:16 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 6):
after all you don't only say British for British Airways.

But they do say American for American Airlines.
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:35 am

Quoting Alnicocunife (Reply 3):


Also Turkish for Turkish Airlines.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:40 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 6):
It wonders me why many of you use only Norwegian to name the carrier...

When names get very long, typically more than 4-5 syllables, then we tend to abreviate. Norwegean is only one example in addidtion to:
Continental
United
South-West
American
Swiss
Austrian
Malaysian
Thai

Not all of them are always or equally often abreviated, neither is Norwegian Air Shuttle.

BTW, did you ever try http://www.norwegian.com ? Otherwise try it and see how the owner of that URL presents itself.
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 6):





It wonders me why many of you use only Norwegian to name the carrier - after all you don't only say British for British Airways. The correct name of the airline is Norwegian Air Shuttle and this has been their name since 1993.

Because British Airways writes British Airways on their aircraft and their website is Britishairways.comwhereas Norwegian writes norwegian.com on their aircraft which is also their website. Also Norwegian Air Shuttle is only correct if you are talking about NAX, if you are talking about NLH or NAI the correct names are Norwegian Long Haul and Norwegian Air International respectively.

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:11 am

There's tons of people that refer to British Airways as British, and if you work in an airport you refer to it as BA.

Back on track, I don't think Norwegian Airlines renaming to just Airlines will matter. John Q Public only takes airline names for face value, as do counts of law.
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:29 am

For us oldies there was a time when British Airways was just British

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:50 am

What about calling the three largest US based airlines for Airlines, Airlines and Air Lines; would that be OK? I don't think so. We are after all talking about registered trade marks and these names are important marketing assets for all companies. What airport workers call an airline is part of the tribal language at that airport. If you use this tribal terminology talking to passengers at the same airport they may well not understand what you are talking about.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:56 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
There's tons of people that refer to British Airways as British

In my experience, it's pretty much only Americans that do this.

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 7):
For us oldies there was a time when British Airways was just British

Indeed. Some of us are so old they were even working for BA at the time! The change to "British" titles caused a huge uproar within the airline (far more than the World Tails ever did). Personally, it made sense to me - if you see "British" on the side of a big plane, you're not going to think it might be British Rail, are you?
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:16 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 1):
It wonders me why many of you use only Norwegian to name the carrier

Why don't you ask that question of the Norwegian press, they only ever refer to them as Norwegian! I don't know anyone who calls them Norwegian Air Shuttle, I'm pretty certain that 99% of Norwegians call the airline Norwegian as well.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:24 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):

You are somewhat correct however that is only the case in North America where you tend to do so. No one in the UK/Europe or elsewhere in the world that I have travelled to does this. In the UK specifically we refer to the airline as BA generally, not only airport staff. Of course, some do use the full British Airways too.

If you just said "British" it would not be understood in the same context. However, we often just say Virgin, however the that's more understandable/acceptable as the Virgin group has many products all under the Virgin brand, for example my TV and Broadband is with Virgin Media etc etc...
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:41 am

Airline or Plane is not very descriptive. When Air Nauru got their 737 repossessed they called themselves Our Airline ; But Worldwide Service you need a "nickname" Condor was a good one It is all in the branding. NorBridge ??

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 9):
Indeed. Some of us are so old they were even working for BA at the time! The change to "British" titles caused a huge uproar within the airline (far more than the World Tails ever did). Personally, it made sense to me - if you see "British" on the side of a big plane, you're not going to think it might be British Rail, are you?

But at that time there were two other airlines with British in their name, British Midland Airways and British Caledonian. At the airport you may well find a third British other than BA, BP - British Petroleum. Some of the structurs inside the airport may well have been made of steel from British Steel and gas used for heating at the airport came from British Gas. A quick search in the UK Intellectual Property Office database I got over 1000 hits for British between British Airways being founded and today.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:06 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 4):
Malaysian

It's Malaysia Airlines, not Malaysian Airlines

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 4):
South-West

Southwest

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:49 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 13):
But at that time there were two other airlines with British in their name, British Midland Airways and British Caledonian.

Yes, but if they all dropped the redundant Airways/Airline(s) from their titles they would all still be different. In fact, BCal and BM didn't have the word Airways in their titles anyway!

Likewise, the word 'Trains' is totally redundant on the side of Southwest trains in the UK. I'm not going to confuse them with Southwest Airlines even though their colour scheme is nearly identical!
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:57 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 15):
Likewise, the word 'Trains' is totally redundant on the side of Southwest

It's South West Trains anyway not Southwest Trains, you can see the space in your photo! But I take your point.
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:06 pm

Quoting Alnicocunife (Thread starter):
Would there be such a stink if Norwegian was just called "Airline" and they flew all white plain aircraft while flying everywhere from many European cities? Low cost is low cost and others have done it without such a stink before.

What would happen today if Laker wanted to start an airline based in Ireland or Panama or Liberia?

Let the free market take care of the airline. It will IMO. Everyone wants a competition except when it affects them or is there a real good reason to not let a viable company try to be based in one country and never or almost never fly there?

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Dude,
There wouldn't be any STINK at all were this not an onerous Business plan. I don't care WHAT you call the airline.
The flag of convienence isn't going to fly!! Nobody is going to buy that JUST so NAI can hire where it's the cheapest and STILL call themselves "Norweigan Air International".
if Air Lingus did it in ASIA it would still be the SAME! Now the EU Airlines have "tumbled" to the SCAM as well as the USA. We don't care about competing, But we'r NOT going fot that!
and it's not going to happen. And I wonder? Why Isn't NORWAY Protesting this?? I haven't seen anything where they endorsed this plan. WHY NOT??





 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:17 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 1):
after all you don't only say British for British Airways.

But we do say BA, and I think that's pretty much self styled (helped by the .com boom, and is still styled that way in advertising). It's also probably because BA flows off the tongue quite well. You wouldn't say DY or NAX for Norwegian, though.

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:06 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 1):
It wonders me why many of you use only Norwegian to name the carrier

Maybe because Norwegian Air Shuttle call themselves "Norwegian" on their advertisements, commercials, ac, tickets, website and in the numeous e-mails I get from them.
And the Norwegian press goes along.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Why don't you ask that question of the Norwegian press, they only ever refer to them as Norwegian! I don't know anyone who calls them Norwegian Air Shuttle, I'm pretty certain that 99% of Norwegians call the airline Norwegian as well.
Quoting breiz (Reply 19):
Maybe because Norwegian Air Shuttle call themselves "Norwegian" on their advertisements, commercials, ac, tickets, website and in the numeous e-mails I get from them.
And the Norwegian press goes along.

Correct. On a side note, even Norwegian Cruise Line (and they have actually nothing to do with the country anymore) wants to use "Norwegian" alone... a good brand name, no?
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:58 pm

I think this is a pretty interesting discussion, indeed.

I would like to mention another aspect:

When US citizens talk about their home country, they often just call it "America". I do NOT have the impression that most of those, who use this wording, intend to be arrogant, not at all. And, historically, during the decades, when large scale immigration to North America was going on, most would say: "We go to America", irrespectively whether or not they would go to what today is the United States of America or Canada or Mexico.

Nevertheless, the political situation is pretty much different today from what it was a century or centuries ago, and while "American Airlines" neither is a flag carrier for Canada or Mexico - is it one for the U.S.A. and what about "US Airways" then ? -, let alone Brazil, Argentine, Chile a.s.o. a.s.o and while American Airlines has used and does use the flag of the United States of America, it still calls itself "American Airlines". And, yes, it does serve - as far as I know - most of the countries (all?) on the American continent, which, above all, stretches from close to Antarctica to close to the North Pole.

And those were the days, when there was "Trans World Airlines"!

Or what about a no frills airline called "Pan World Communist Airlines"? Or "Pan World Socialist Airlines"? Or "Air Rosa Luxemburg"?
Would it get slots at DFW?

Or a "Biz only" airline called "For the damn rich, only, Air"?

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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 21):
When US citizens talk about their home country, they often just call it "America".

I can givee you another angle on that.
For us French people, when we say "l'Amerique", we definitely mean the USA.
That's very unfair to Canada and Latin America but so it goes. Most probably because the land where people from Europe dreamed to immigrate in the previous century was the USA.
Again in French, "l'Amerique" was synonymous to the Eldorado. Everybody wished to have a rich uncle from "l'Amerique".
Back to the airline business, it is very common, among aviation fans, to refer to airlines in short, abbreviation or code.
British Airways, since the example was taken, is often BAw. Qatar Airways is Qatar. US Airways is US Air mainly because US only would to ambiguous I suppose. Pan American Airways choose themselves to be named Pan Am.
It looks like that the Airlines or Airways word feels redundant.
And we had recently a thread about Emirates w/o any Airlines.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 7):
For us oldies there was a time when British Airways was just British

Thought you were a youngster .. I recall British Overseas Airways Corporation.. and I'm a hair younger (and that is not a baldness joke)

Quoting scbriml (Reply 15):
Likewise, the word 'Trains' is totally redundant on the side of Southwest trains in the UK. I'm not going to confuse them with Southwest Airlines even though their colour scheme is nearly identical!

with todays educational through put of "no fail" we need that definition attached so the know those are not busses (or trolley's) in your picture. Of course let one of those cars go NE or NW and the trainspotters will have a stroke.
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:08 am

Ate least most Norwegians nowadays know that Norwegian is also an airline company. It is worse, everybody knows what a Danish is http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/13097/danish-pastries , except Danes, we call it "Viennese bread", because we stole the recipe in Austria.

Also I didn't get exactly what I expected when ordering a Budweiser in Budejovice, Bohemia. (But I must say that I wasn't disappointed).

Now I'll have a Scots.
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:04 am

The United States of America is the legal name of the USA. Canada and the United Mexican States "Mexico" do not have the word "America" in the name of their Countries or any one else. So in English it makes perfect sense to call the U.S. of A. "America" for short it is not a slight to the other countries in the American Continent (North South or Central)
 
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RE: What If Norwegian Was Just Called "Airline"?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:17 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 24):
Now I'll have a Scots.

You mean scotch, unless you meet Ben Dover and Phil McCracken, then you can have or be had by a Scot.

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