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Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:28 am

Time again to say happy birthday to this amazing aeroplane.
First flight 17 December 1935, still going.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:41 am

Just curious: how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline? My first plane ride was in a -3, from Catalina Island to Burbank in, I think, 1954. The airline? United Air Lines. Not United Airlines. United Air Lines, which was its name in those days. I was 5 years of age.  old 

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:02 am

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

1969/1970, DC-3 flights on AnsettMAL in Papua New Guinea:
MAG-MAS
MAS-MAG-GKA-POM
MAS-LAE-POM
MAS=Manus Island, MAG=Madang, GKA=Goroka. LAE=LAE(!) POM=Port Moresby

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:17 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
1969/1970, DC-3 flights on AnsettMAL in Papua New Guinea:
MAG-MAS
MAS-MAG-GKA-POM
MAS-LAE-POM
MAS=Manus Island, MAG=Madang, GKA=Goroka. LAE=LAE(!) POM=Port Moresby

(hands raised) I give up! My only other DC3 flights were in 1955, from SLC to Jackson Hole WY. The "terminal" was a log structure, the strip was gravel. Rental cars? The rental car outfit had a 1955 Plymouth (brand new!) sedan.

We flew from SLC back too Los Angeles on a DC6B. It was quite a big deal for a 6 year old. I mean, four engines? And it had radar! It said so right on the side of the fuselage.
Remember: Only one dwarf in seven is Happy.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:56 am

In the 80's, I regularly flew PBA DC-3's from New Bedford, Massachusetts (EWB) or Hyannis (HYA) to Nantucket (ACK) to commute to my own job at Gull Air. PBA ran regular shuttles from EWB to both ACK and Martha's Vineyard (MVY). EWR ACK were every hour on the hour, EWB MVY were every hour on the half hour with extra sections to both on Friday's and Sunday's. The people of South Coast and Cape and Islands were very used to the sound and slow pace of a DC3 in the skies above. I can still recall all the sounds of the aircraft today... engine start coughs, silent landings with the tire squeeks and the lumbering growl of cruise.

Interiors varied between a few former Air New England birds with wood paneling decor and hunting duck scene pictures on the bulkhead walls to a more consistent PBA scheme of navy, sky blue and white trim with the PBA logo on the bulkhead.

PBA was an excellent airline supported by a great family of airline employees, as was Gull Air and Will's Air. I'd say much of that great spirit is enjoyed today at Cape Air/Nantucket Airlines minus the classic aircraft. A great period of time in aviation.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:01 am

My DC-3 story: North Central Airlines. MSP to Bemidji. 1968.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:32 am

I never had the privilidge of flying on a DC-3 however my aunt flew in the 60s from Istanbul to Bursa,

one thing she told me is that at mid-flight the door at the back opened and one of the flight attendants had to go to the back, hold a rope latched to the fuselage and extend her arm outside to close the door, you don't see these that much on todays airplanes  
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:27 pm

In 1956 I was on a Northeast Airlines DC-3 from Manchester NH to New York LaGuardia
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:42 pm

My DC-3 ride was from Johannesburg to a remote airport in NE South Africa, 1979, I think.

Trying to find my colour slides of its interior!
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 pm

I flew on First Air in the late 1970s. YMX-YOW, then YOW-YYB-YSB-YYB-YOW.

This aircraft ....


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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:32 pm

How did you guys managed without a PTV, WiFi and lie flat seat? Were the nuts served on paper as well? It must have been miserable.

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 10):

PQM earning so I could retain my Elite status for upgrades and preboarding kept me loyal while suffering the loss of these absolute requirements of air travel.  
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:11 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 10):
How did you guys managed without a PTV, WiFi and lie flat seat?

It was more than made up for by courteous crew, well-mannered fellow passengers, and the art of conversation.
Remember: Only one dwarf in seven is Happy.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:12 pm

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

Trans Texas Airlines, which later became Texas International, and eventually wound up as part of Continental. Early 1950's from LIT to ELD. Known in those days as going from Adams Field to Goodwin Field.

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
Just curious: how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

Frequent round trips between ATL (Georgia Tech student) and HSV (home town) on Southern Airways (1963-1965). Some time in '65 it became an all Martin 404 route.

With a Southern youth card, the round trip was only $20 more than bus fare and cut the one way trip time from 6 hours to less than 1.

Plus dodging thunderstorms at FL100 along the Georgia-Alabama line made for interesting flying especially when the FA's were trying to serve coffee. Those sweet Southern girls gave it all they had. Sure do miss them.

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:38 pm

An aside ... does the very first DC-3 still exist?

(1935 to 2015 ... that's 80 years old, if it does ...)
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:32 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 15):
An aside ... does the very first DC-3 still exist?

(1935 to 2015 ... that's 80 years old, if it does ...)

Negative. The first DC-3 built crashed in Missouri in October 1942 after being taken into the AAF. The oldest DC-3 still in existence is N133D, built for American as a DST; I think it is the sixth one. Currently under restoration by prop liner legend Frank Moss, I saw it this summer during a trip to Punta Gorda, FL. The oldest one still flying is Flagship Detroit also ex-AA s.n. number 36 IIRC.

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:51 am

Sadly, Im about 35+ years to young to have flown on one, but my dad has an old picture of him on board one flying from MSO - BIL on NW as a child.

On a side note, how many were lost in WWII? I know they made up a huge part of the Military Transport fleet
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:13 am

About 1,200 to 1,300 as near as I can figure from the Aviation Safety Database. Wow!

http://aviation-safety.net/database/types/Douglas-DC-3/losses
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:20 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 17):
Sadly, Im about 35+ years to young to have flown on one, but my dad has an old picture of him on board one flying from MSO - BIL on NW as a child.
http://www.buffaloairways.com/index.php?page=passenger-service

It's not too late for you! You still have a chance to go by DC3. You just have to get yourself to Yellowknife first. If you have some United miles to spare, it's pretty good value to use them for an AC flight to YZF.

edit: fixed the URL

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

June, 1974. SIG - STT. Don't recall the airline. Re-booked from L(inger)I(ndefinitely)A(t)T(erminal), who were on strike or something. Very short flight but I remember it fondly. Lucky to have had the chance. (LIAT also lost my bags.)

(Got to fly on an Antilles Airboats Goose that trip too.)

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:16 am

Sadly I'm too young. I am certainly old enough to have hopped on one of the PBA or Eastern Metro Express DC-3s, but I was a teenager in Minnesota then and Miami was enticing but far, far away.

My Dad's first flight was on a DC-3 in 1950 from RAP-MSP with stops in between. His grandfather took him to the black hills. He says it was on NW - but I believe it would have been on NC as NW never flew through rap in the early days if I recall correctly.

Mom mother's first flight meanwhile was on an NW DC-4 in 1958 on a Girl Scouts charter from MSP-RST. That one I have photographic evidence of so there are no questions.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:06 am

Quoting TW870 (Reply 21):
My Dad's first flight was on a DC-3 in 1950 from RAP-MSP with stops in between. His grandfather took him to the black hills. He says it was on NW - but I believe it would have been on NC as NW never flew through rap in the early days if I recall correctly.

Actually it would have been Western on this route in 1950. In those days NC was still Wisconsin Central. And you are correct NW didn't fly there then.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/wa52/wa52-3.jpg
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 22):
Actually it would have been Western on this route in 1950.

Right! Thanks for the correction. I forgot that - as the image shows that you linked - you couldn't get to the West Coast on Western during this time period, as the CAB hadn't given them the authority on the MSP route to go west of the Black Hills - unless you were going north towards GTF or south towards DEN. My grandparents would go to California from Minnesota in the 50s and would usually fly Braniff to Kansas City and then change to TWA if their stories were correct.

Those old Western DC-3 routes in Minnesota and the Dakotas stayed on well after the -3s were gone. They had 737-200s doing hops across the Dakotas and overnighting in MSP until the mid-/late-70s.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:16 pm

My first trip in a DC-3 was on Lake Central Airlines from CMH-MFD-CLE and back on a Sun. This was sometime time
around 1963 or 64. Later when I was a controller at OSU, we were allowed to ride with Gov. Rhodes in the state's
DC-3, N34D. I believe it had previously belonged to the Kind of Denmark. The interior was plush for it's time and had
added sound proofing which made it very quite compared to other DC-3's I had been in. I rode both in the cockpit and
the back where I operated the air-stair door. The Ohio Dept. of Aviation tried to sell the plane and use a King Air but
the Gov. put a stop saying i was his favorite airplane. He always made me and my fellow controllers feel welcome.
This all took place in 1968 and 69. I have fond memories of both CMH and OSU growing up.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting aerolimani (Reply 19):
It's not too late for you! You still have a chance to go by DC3. You just have to get yourself to Yellowknife first.

I did this last year. Wonderful experience

Flying Ice Pilots DC3 And First Air Incl 732 (by YVRLTN Nov 2 2013 in Trip Reports)

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 16):
The oldest one still flying is Flagship Detroit also ex-AA s.n. number 36 IIRC.

I flew on this one too in 2007, at the time she was 70 years old. Now 77, incredible...
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:14 pm

Flew On DC-3 from Bournemouth in England to Yorkshire in the 70's/ Landed at Cranwell each way, so I can claim 2 flights each way for a total of four. Lovely flights, red leather seats and nice handwritten notes from the pilot keeping us updated.
And a lot of good memories and I am same age as first flight of DC-3 within a month.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:45 am

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
Just curious: how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

I've flown on Desert Air a couple times up here in Alaska but thats non-sched cargo. Great outfit.
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:58 pm

Was Buffalo Joe flying the one that had a problem at Hay River
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:14 am

Buffalo Airways Douglas DC-3, registration C-GWZS performing flight J4-169 from Hay River,NT to Yellowknife,NT (Canada) with 16 passengers and 3 crew, was in the initial climb out of Hay River when the left hand engine began to run roughly prompting the crew to reduce engine power, report some engine indication but not request assistance or priority and return to Hay River for a safe landing about 11 minutes after departure. Ground personnel observed smoke from the engine and notified emergency services, Buffalo Airways staff discharged fire extinguishing agent into the smoking engine.

I should have posted this to the above message
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:49 am

Ah yes, the former NZNAC (now part of Air NZ) from WAG-NLP-AKL and WAG-HLZ-AKL and v/v in the 1960-63 period IIRC. Very exciting for a 7-year-old travelling on his own. I don't think you'd have a chance of travelling on your own these days as a seven-year-old? My parents flew internationally AKL-NLK-AKL on a DC3 in 1952 on their honeymoon . . .
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:44 am

My one and only DC-3 flight was in a freighter in 1986. I went on a test hop around Huntsville Alabama to help troubleshoot the Janitrol cabin heater. We had the door in the aft bulkhead open to access the heater. From where I was, I could look past the tail wheel to the outside. It was a fun ride, even if we couldn't get the heater to work!
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:27 am

I flew around both the North and South Islands of New Zealand for about 10 days in 2002 in a DC-3 owned and operated by Pionair on an aviation tour put on by Airways Magazine and it was absolutely unforgettable!

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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
Just curious: how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

In 1964 on a Frontier DC-3 when I was 8 years old, round trip from SAF to DEN with several stops along the way in places like Alamosa, Pueblo and COS. Can't remember if we stopped at all 3 or just 2. Even got to go up to the cockpit in flight on the return trip, big deal for an 8 year old! Was a different time back then, that would never happen now.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:08 pm

Flew quite a few DC-3 flights back and fourth between STT and SJU during the 80's aboard the legendary Aero Virgin Islands. Loved those old planes, especially the ones with the panorama window in the back. The view of the coral reefs in shallow swimming pool blue water from 7000 feet was great. I can still hear the roar of those engines!
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:53 am

She's going to be 80 years young. And I bet there will be some DC-3's breaking the Century mark and flying in 2035! So, the way Willard White used to flash pictures of people who made it to 100, they will do this showing 100 year young DC-3's.It wasn't a scheduled airline but back in 1969 at age 11 we flew from FLL to Freeport on one of those 1 day excursions where the price of admission was to ride around and look at real estate on the island for sale. The chance of my dad buying any real estate on foreign soil would be as likely as me all of a sudden loving Gwen Stefani music. Never happen. I should write a humorous trip report on the trip report thread.
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:42 am

Here in AKL, New Zealand the Warbird society operate regular DC-3 sightseeing flights over the city most weekends. Always like to look up when I hear the distinctive engines. A few years ago for a customer event, I hired the DC-3 to fly clients to Tauranga and back, cost about NZD3,000 which was bit of a bargain. Seating was very spacious and we flew around 2,000 feet so very spectacular trip. I was in the cockpit as we flew over the Kaimai ranges, scene of a DC-3 crash (operated by NAC) back in 1963 with loss of all lives, it was a bit freaky seeing the mountains come within 500 feet! Prior to departure, the pilots were working on one of the engines, some sort of oil leak which was normal for this bird, though funny to see 747 captains sweating away covered in engine oil.... Great day out!
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 1):


Just curious: how many of you A-netters have flown on DC3s with a real live actual scheduled airline?

When I was 2 years old I flew on an Ozark Airlines DC-3 PIA-SPI-STL. Would have been in 1967. Too bad I can't remember!
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:43 pm

Quoting ...WesternDC6B (Reply 1):
real live actual scheduled airline?


Apologies for commenting outside your scope and for any other military old timers, but..
My dad snuck me on a USAF or Air Guard C-47 at Selfridge AFB around 1963. The airplane was used as a utility shuttle up to KI Sayer AFB and Wurtsmith AFB in Michigan. Pop was an F-106 pilot at Selfridge. It was my first airplane ride ever. 10 years later, I graduated from AF UPT and got my wings. I guess you could call that Gooney Bird (DC-3) ride a motivator.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:13 pm

I flew Tampa to Naples, FL to Miami in 1973, 1974,and 1975 on Naples Air.
 
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RE: Happy Birthday DC 3

Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:32 am

Quoting jaxfss (Reply 24):
This was sometime time around 1963 or 64. Later when I was a controller at OSU, we were allowed to ride with Gov. Rhodes in the state's
DC-3, N34D. I believe it had previously belonged to the Kind of Denmark. The interior was plush for it's time and had
added sound proofing which made it very quite compared to other DC-3's I had been in.

Nah, it can't be so. First of all the Danish King never owned a plane.

The Royal Danish Air Force got six C-47 through the Marchall Plan. They were augmented by two DC-3 bought from SAS. All eight belonged to the 721st Squadron until 1984.

One of the ex. SAS DC-3 was modified with sort of VIP interior and sometimes used as a VIP plane for government or the royal family. It wasn't much more than some comfortable seats mounted on the reinforced cargo floor. And a carpet. Something which could easily be removed when then plane was used as a military transport.

This plane is in principle owned by the military museum in Copenhagen, but it is lent to a club (FFFM - Foreningen for Flyvende Museumsfly / club for flying museum planes) which makes a couple of dozen flights for members each summer.

For 30 years it has been the only airworthy DC-3 in Denmark. It has never seen U.S. soil since it was built as a C-47 in 1944 and left for the war in Europe. During the last 20 years it has been registered as an "experimental" plane because it would be much too costly to modify it to conform with current safety regulations. That means that it can only carry club members as passengers.

The other seven RDAF planes were pure cargo planes until they were sold at some auktion in 1985.
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