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What Is Up With Passengers?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:38 pm

Every week we her of some unruly passenger on flight. What happened to respect? Are we hearing this more often because of the internet or has this always happened? I think people in pass years had more respect for people and property and in though days they served free alcohol. Should flight attendants have tasers?
Should there be visible security personal on the flights? Really, all you have to do is sit there, read a book, listen to your ipad.
 
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Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:55 pm

I started with Eastern in 1968 on the ticket counter, and trust me, there were just as many jerks then as there are today. And back then there was only newspapers and books to read. Nothing else. The internet has a great deal to do with all this information getting out.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:37 pm

Some people feel entitled, like they are the supreme being and everyone should cater to them. Others, fear of flying makes them act up.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:02 pm

I love the first class passengers who line up and camp out in the priority lane 45 mins before boarding actually starts. What's the point? Is it a status thing? "Everybody look at me! In the front row!" Are they afraid someones going to steal their seat?
 
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Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:10 pm

Although as Eastern747 says, there has always been people behaving badly at airports or in airplanes or simply panicking. Some chronicles published in aviation magazines in past years are there to illustrate it.

I remember one of these being about a 747 flight cruising in quiet blue skies suddenly began to lose altitude. Once the flight crew managed to bring the aircraft back to normal flight altitude, the captain walked in the cabin where a very agitated passenger asked him to apply on his back some sort of medical cream because he was wounded, or thought he was.

Other than people behaving like pretending prima donnas, it is regularly said that nowadays people tend to be ever more selfish and lost in their little own world.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:06 pm

There are crew cabins in the larger aircraft, maybe there has to be a holding pen in the belly of every aircraft, a time out zone. NA.tase them.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:41 pm

I like the holding pen idea, or even a special aluminum (got to save weight remember) jump seat with no padding, baby style car seat belts and a big arrow pointing downwards to it saying "yep, I'm the annoying idiot on this flight", you even get a photograph taken and posted on a twitter account "this is what happens to self entitled brats" when you land.

Shame it won't happen, you can but dream...

Actually I am all for hanging them out of the plane by their feet, but that has pressurization issues...

I just don't understand the mentality, everyone wants to get from A to B, as quickly as possible and with some comfort and amenities (unless you are flying NK or FR), what makes 1 person more important than another. Even 1st/business, yes they pay more, but they get more services. Otherwise suck it up, enjoy the flight, be nice to the flight attendants (and other staff) and get off the other end.. It's that simple..
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:08 am

I once got told by someone who was retiring from the industry when I was starting out, that first class passengers always say please and thank you. They have always had money or just worked out that money is meaningless and doesn't make them "special" or a more important person.

Where as business class passengers think that by buying a business class ticket they have paid for the aircraft.

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Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:20 am

Airlines carried 2.8 Billion passengers in 2011, and are expected to carry 3.6 Billion in 2016 - thats a massive increase on passengers carried in 1980, coupled with a media that is more bias toward trash reporting in order to achieve a larger audience.

Seeing more reporting doesn't necessarily mean a greater incidence rate.
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:45 am

Everything has changed, the good old days were better! - said every generation previous.
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:50 am

There were rude and obnoxious passengers in the 70's and 80's too. Crying babies too...

Big difference is that back then only a small percentage of the population flew. Now it is routine and a lot more of the population flies. Flying to a destination is now bulk public transportation.

Of course, internet news and gossip has increased reporting of incidents by at least 10 times over the 80's.

Have a great day,
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:13 pm

A number of factors, a toxic mix of behaviors and policy that seems to be in play.
More flights are more crowded. Many just don't have any responsibility or manners. Fewer are willing to give in to others and more selfish. The stress of more security. Less ability to choose your seat unless pay a lot more or to be moved to another seat due to yield management. Alcohol and drug use. Being forced to pay for stuff in flight, for your bags that used to be free. Lower paid staff.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting nwadeicer (Reply 3):
I love the first class passengers who line up and camp out in the priority lane 45 mins before boarding actually starts. What's the point? Is it a status thing? "Everybody look at me! In the front row!" Are they afraid someones going to steal their seat?

I never understood that, either.

The whole flying thing runs the gamut of reasonable passengers ending up in a foul mood to people who are just jerks.

Here's my theory: It comes down to connections at either end.

Certain flights just seem to always have bad chemistry, and others are just chill. My best examples of this are FRA-IAD or FRA-ORD. Having done these a lot, the morning flights are just crowded, unpleasant, and stressful. However, the 5pm departures are very low-key and pleasant. People are just less amped later in the day.

As for transcons, any flight that has a lot of people connecting with Far East flights just suck. Too many cranky passengers with too many carry-ons crammed into tiny seats.
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting nwadeicer (Reply 3):
I love the first class passengers who line up and camp out in the priority lane 45 mins before boarding actually starts. What's the point? Is it a status thing? "Everybody look at me! In the front row!" Are they afraid someones going to steal their seat?

Ain't that the truth.
The rare several times I rode up front, I took my sweet time getting there.
The less time I got peoples' saddle bags rubbing up against me in the 2nd row, the better.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:35 pm

''What Is Up With Passengers? ''


Well, they should allow smoking again. A few cigarettes and a bottle of wine really calm me down..  
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:42 pm

Don't underestimate the "food" factor. People with a full belly are much more likely to be content than those putting up with the "BS" air travel has become on an empty stomach.

Treat people like garbage, they will act like it!
 
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Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:46 pm

We need more "bouncer" F/A's, at least for the more trouble-prone routes. It would be a great job for the people retiring from the military.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:24 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 9):
Everything has changed, the good old days were better! - said every generation previous.

   And thirty years from now, everyone will be reminiscing about how polite and friendly passengers were in 2014.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:24 pm

I never understood how sitting in a chair for a few hours is such a drag on certain people.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 16):
We need more "bouncer" F/A's, at least for the more trouble-prone routes. It would be a great job for the people retiring from the military.

Flown longhaul with UA/DL/AA lately? The bouncer mentality is alive and well on a lot of those flights, at least in Y. 
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:33 pm

Quoting nwadeicer (Reply 3):
I love the first class passengers who line up and camp out in the priority lane 45 mins before boarding actually starts. What's the point? Is it a status thing? "Everybody look at me! In the front row!" Are they afraid someones going to steal their seat?

Generally I'm in complete agreement with you on this. But as a former Platinum and Gold on two different airlines I would say this "herding" is a result of the boarding process that many of the airlines in the US have resorted to. Also, passengers have realized that if you don't get on early the chances of getting space in an overhead bin becomes less likely.

If you're in first or business and aren't in that first boarding call you are then forced to either wait it out or shove your way through the other herders.

But even when I had status I tried not to be "that guy" that elbowed his way through the crowd to walk across the "red" carpet and through the "special" line.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:35 pm

Quoting grrtvc (Reply 20):
If you're in first or business and aren't in that first boarding call you are then forced to either wait it out or shove your way through the other herders

It's not like you have to win the hunger games to get on the airplane. You just walk through a tunnel.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:32 am

Quoting Beatyair (Thread starter):
Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 1):
Quoting Polaris (Reply 2):

All three of your assessments are spot on. As long as there's been humanity there have been saints and a-holes. Was, is and always will be. However today, at least in the states this "new morality" has run amock. Lawyers a phone call or e-mail away have created the illusion of unscrupulous people thinking if they are even the least bit slighted they can sue and be entitled to riches. And, or get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and maybe even a reality show of their own. A society that worships the "Kartrashians" is an indicator that a lot of our culture and lack of manners leaves much to be desired. The PC obsession has created many simmering pots ready to boil over. Of course throw in Smart Phones and things seem like they are crazier. With 12 years in airline customer service under my belt I've observed, that for Thanksgiving most passengers are cool. But Christmas and New Years bring out the bottom feeder behavior. This is just not limited to our industry.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:29 am

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 5):
maybe there has to be a holding pen in the belly of every aircraft,

I think it would be easier if the FAs had a little pill that could be slipped into the drink of a problem passenger  

Most people wouldn't see it coming  

I can only imagine how an animal might behaive if they knew they were headed to the holding pen...

[Edited 2014-12-19 19:35:02]
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:33 am

Use the Tie Wraps on these unruly negative sad pax.
Unfortunately these weirdos are all around...it gets more serious if this occurs in air.
 
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Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:25 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 22):
......even the least bit slighted they can sue and be entitled to riches. And, or get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and maybe even a reality show of their own. A society that worships the "Kartrashians" is an indicator that a lot of our culture and lack of manners leaves much to be desired. The PC obsession has created many simmering pots ready to boil over.

agree completely. A big issue is that many of today's adults/upcoming young adults grew up for the most part relating primarily to a cell phone, tablet, or computer, instead of the people and the world around them. And sadly, that puts them at great disadvantage when having to deal with others.
When I was a kid, I got out and played stickball, sandlot football, rode my bike,went fishing, played games at friends' houses. I read books. Those learning years were priceless, you interacted with people, you learned that certain actions made you friends (or enemies) and you learned how to deal with all kinds of folks. You could tell, by the expression on someones' face, if they were ready to hug you, or punch you in the nose. You just knew!
The past couple of generations, kids have just had their noses stuck in a play station or smart phone, 24/7. They DON'T know how to deal with people on a personal level. And this translates over to adulthood.
 
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Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:42 pm

I agree with most statements echoed here. There are too many people that only care about themselves and nobody around them. I think it started with the "everybody is a winner" philosophy. If everyone is special, then nobody is really special. The absolute worst people are the ones that seem that they need to prove their status about you.

Media has a lot to do with it, because if anything happens on a plane anywhere in the world it will be instantly known about. People are quick to go to social media to criticize something or someone, but they would never articulate those words or feelings directly to the person.
 
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Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Thread starter):
Are we hearing this more often because of the internet or has this always happened?

No - we are hearing this more and more often because passenger numbers keep exploding. Flying becomes more available to more and more people worldwide.
 
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Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting SLVRBLT (Reply 25):

Thank you for the positive comments.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 26):

Media today is basically legs/lipstick and for the dudes beefcake. The days of Huntley and Brinkley and Cronkite are long gone. So you have more like talk radio or reality TV instead of objective informative news. The decline of society I'm sad to say was really kicked off by my generation (baby boomers). We are the beginning of the me BS. Also the hippie/socialistic/globilistic society spawned a lot of brats and entitled folk and the lawyer population exploded more than Palmetto bugs at a Miami Beach supermarket without electrical power. Yes, there have been great strides, civil rights and voting rights acts. We are much better for it but, a lot of the old fashioned pleasentries and manners seemed to dissolve from 1968 onward. And with social media, I Phones etc. it's just multiplied.

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 27):

Very true at least in our business but across the board this moral decline of our society is a rampant disease. Trying to cure it with radical feminism, political correctness is just taking things backwards to the caveman days.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:04 am

In the 50's through to the early 70's, trouble makers were known to the crews. No need for a corporate database. Now, scale means unless the behaviour is serious enough to be flagged, they keep flying.
 
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Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:06 am

Actually, in this the era of overkill lawyers, political correctness, socialism, globilism, hipsters and reality TV this thread could actually be titled What's Up With People In Today's Society? Back to our business/industry it seems people pay less attention to their actions, are more challenged when it comes to following simple directions and have the attention span of a caffinated blonde beauty queen. Seems the company/airline has to be the parent, psychologist, teacher and ringmaster.
 
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Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:00 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 30):
Actually, in this the era of overkill lawyers, political correctness, socialism, globilism, hipsters and reality TV this thread could actually be titled What's Up With People In Today's Society? Back to our business/industry it seems people pay less attention to their actions, are more challenged when it comes to following simple directions and have the attention span of a caffinated blonde beauty queen. Seems the company/airline has to be the parent, psychologist, teacher and ringmaster.

LOL. Spot on again, Zippy.
 
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Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:35 pm

and so it continues with this little nutmeg i found this morning...

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/plane-passenger-tossed-after-flipping-out-over-106144235462.html

Merry Christmas everyone, happy holidays, happy Hanukkah

Hope you are all having a great day whereever in the world you are.
 
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Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:58 pm

I think B6 found this out the hard way on the JFK-PBI/FLL flights when just a tad too many passengers lived down to the dreaded Jewish mother stereotype, especially given many New York City area people of Jewish descent have winter homes in the West Palm Beach/Fort Lauderdale area. When you have too many passengers that gripe about everything on a flight, it's really hard work for the cabin crews, to say the least.
 
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Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:51 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 21):
It's not like you have to win the hunger games to get on the airplane. You just walk through a tunnel.

I don't know about that. It seems like the people in boarding zone 25 or 30 are always grouped around the gate and you have to fight your way through them to get to the jetway. "Gate Lice" make it a real pain in the backside for everyone else, just so they can be the first one in their boarding group (inevitably, the last boarding group) to get on the airplane.

And for what it's worth, if you want to make fun of airlines for having a boarding process where Group 1 is the fourth or fifth group to get on the airplane, I'm on your side there.
 
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Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:48 pm

Quoting Polaris (Reply 2):
Some people feel entitled

They do, indeed. Some expect to arrive at their destination on time, to not be groped by security prior to the boarding process, to find space in overhead that they can fit their carry-ons into, to be able to recline their seats without some selfish doofus attaching a Knee Defender to the seat, to not be delayed during deplaning if the flight is late and they only have 15 minutes to make their connection, to get their bags in a timely fashion after the flight, and to generally not be treated like cattle being herded throughout the flight process. In an era in which the airlines aren't happy unless they can nickel-and-dime each passenger for extra bag fees, fees for preferred seats and even fees to stroll on the red carpet instead of the blue carpet during boarding, passengers could do with a little more tolerance for their annoyance.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:17 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 32):

See above thread regarding this and my very easy solution.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 33):

I mirror my passengers within the bounds of company policy and still be as courteous as I can. When dealing with a high maintenance flight on the ground doesn't matter their faith, ethnicnity etc. this seems to work. For example, when dealilng with PBI and other Northeast Elite flights, the Seargent Joe Friday comes out in me. Lower my pitch increase volume and lay it out on the line with little or no BS. Humor will get you everywhere as long as you don't go to far.

With MCO flights it's like the Griswalds (Vacation Movie Series). You have to be a bit more mellow and slightly pedantic/same goes for Christmas and New Years Passengers.

With DEN, and California passengers many a time I sort of "Larry The Cable Guy" it up. I'm the opposite of the "Crunchy Granola" hipster crowd and play it off with humor again.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 35):

True there are aspects that I don't agree with in our industry but rest assurred 99% of us are not out to get our rocks off by abusing the passengers. I feel the same way if not more so when I'm dealing with State of Maryland/Government agencies but, I'm in their house (hopefully for not long) and get with their program instead of trying to make an ass out of myself and get out of sorts. Same thing goes for banks and other big paper pushing entities. For those passengers that feel so out of sorts, if you have the funds charter your own bird, or just get in your car and step lively down I-95 from say New York to Palm Beach or wherever your final destination is.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 30):
socialism,

What has that to do with individualistic, 'me-first and screw everybody else' misdemeanors?

Very simple analysis.

Charge bus ticket prices, get bus ticket passengers.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
Understaff, get stress, stress, stress. Mix that into a cauldron and it's a veritable witch's brew.

Most passengers and employees do their best to see through all this and rise to the occasion but still every once in a while, you'll get that one individual who either makes the news for abusing a passenger while on duty... or one who makes the news as a passenger abusing those on duty.

Sad situation but not at all surprising.
 
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Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:56 am

I am shocked at the amount of passengers lately that refuse to sit down during turbulence, when warned of bad weather ahead, or the aircraft already in steep decent or the flight attendants have had to take their own seats. This was rare even a few years ago but now passengers seem to want to do what they damn well please.
 
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RE: What Is Up With Passengers?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:45 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 34):
"Gate Lice" make it a real pain in the backside for everyone else, just so they can be the first one in their boarding group (inevitably, the last boarding group) to get on the airplane.

This is easier to understand with the last boarding group than the first boarding group. If you're in the last boarding group, it's very likely that being first in your group will make the difference between getting out of your destination airport on a timely basis and waiting 45 minutes for the bag you were forced to gate-check.

It's very difficult to understand with the First Class passengers who can stroll aboard anytime they like, and who could easily wait in the lounge until they are called without any fear of having no overhead space.

[Edited 2014-12-25 22:46:49]
 
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Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:45 am

I think reading these posts over the years about passenger behavior on a.net and the internet overall have made me personally a bit paranoid about other people and lack of courtesy and awareness stemming from the passenger all the way to the customer-facing airline employees.


There are always two-sides in the following examples:


1) I am usually the last passenger to board on an F or J ticket when I leave Asia as there is more consideration for fellow passengers on departure from Bangkok, Tokyo, and Seoul, for example, flying Korean Air, Delta, and THAI thus have never felt the need to have to wait in Priority Lines or at the gate. Usually, I am in the lounge until FINAL CALL especially since lounge amenities are above and beyond what we have here in the U.S.A. Asians queue organized in most cases versus Westerners.

+ WHY? Because the Gate Agents strictly enforce boarding in Asia - even DL Agents at Narita, Suvarnabhumi, and Incheon and there is no need to worry about not finding overhead space. Korean Air and THAI always do a great job at enforcing and setting up an organized queue. Twice I flew Y from NRT flying to the U.S.A. and on both occasions as the last passenger, I was able to find space in the overhead for my bag on completely full flights to Los Angeles. Again, this is only speaking in terms of flying from Thailand, Japan, and Korea. I cannot speak of other Asian Countries but I fly quite frequently from Los Angeles to Asia & v.v. every year. Asians queue organized in most cases versus Westerners. It seems more to do with culture. Don't be offended if you do not pay attention to these things as I closely do.




2) On departure from the USA to Asia on F or J tickets, I do visit the lounge, but I do arrive for Priority Boarding, but only proceed to the Priority Line after the pre-boarding for handicapped, UM, special handling, small children, etc. have boarded because of the way I have seen the cabin baggage system being abused all over the U.S.A.

+ WHY? Because Gate Agents in the U.S.A. (depending on region, IMO) are less-concerned about queuing than others. I have seen agents at Newark Airport (CO) gesture with a long stretch of arm to move everyone to a single line to make space for others to board. Los Angeles Gate Agents (DL) seem to be more involved in answering the many questions passengers have and finishing paperwork versus checking the size of passenger bags and pillows and Ralph Lauren Home Comforters I have seen go through that gate so passengers in Economy can bring their bed collections onto their seat in the window sides. I mean really? You don't notice THAT? As a sidenote: I understand there is a Reserve Program where there are part-time agents or pay isn't that exceptional (we all know here on a.net) but that doesn't excuse complacency with procedures and restrictions.

If you can enforce upgrade policies and change fees and ticket rules to the letter, then surely, something as simple as a carry-on baggage can be enforced regardless of how bad your day might be. And I'm not really speaking about personal experiences, but more about what I keep reading here on airliners.net on the ever-lasting 'war' between airline employees and non-airline employees.




3) On intra-USA F/Y tickets, I have seen what you call "gate lice" hoard in massive circles around boarding areas and watched the First Class Boarding commence and after hearing announcements to "clear the area" or "for an on-time departure, please form a single line..." and it fails miserably here in the U.S.A. Americans are sadly not the greatest and forming an organized queue and poor at being aware of others around them. I am Asian-American born in the U.S.A. so I really am aware of courtesy and others around me based on my upbringing from my Asian side of my ethnicity. U.S. Military Personnel, from personal experience, are most respectful of others in the airport gates during the boarding process and I seldom see any uniformed officer crowding a gate doorway. I wish airlines would hire military personnel, btw. I always give my free drink coupons to them when I see someone in uniform.


+ WHY? Lack of lounges for Premium/Priority Passengers or lounges located landside. DL in SFO has their SkyClub located before TSA so this certainly doesn't help us. DL in IAH has use of AF but the policy says only if the lounge staff allows due to space availability and this lounge is located very far from the DL Departure Gates in IAH. Not all DL Airports have SkyClubs or Partner Lounges or simply the airport is so small, where a lounge is not warranted, but guess what? The First Class Passenger wants to get on the plane from sheer boredom because not all of us fly on business and don't have emails or presentations to prepare for. For me, I just want to sit down and relax and enjoy a pre-departure cocktail before take-off.

In all of this being said, and these are my personal opinions based on personal experience, I would also like to say I always stand in a single-file line OR on the opposite the gate door (at another gate) or against a wall where there is enough room for pre-boarding and wheelchair and cabin staff to comfortable walk past the crowd for easier access to the doorway.

A little courtesy and awareness for all goes a very long way. This goes from the passenger and all the way up to the airline employees. Flying is a two-way relationship. It really needs to start with enforcing the baggage restrictions for the cabin and the organization of the queue. If passengers weren't used to such complacent behavior, airline employees would have a seamless boarding experience without the need for this sense of urgency that is so not needed. Passengers would no longer feel compelled (frequent fliers, anyway) to feel rushed to board the plane.

And yes, it is complacency. It sounds harsh, but that is what it is no matter how you sugar-coat it. So dust off those gate-check tags and teach the violators a lesson so maybe they will pack light next time. Cause and effect.


4) In the argument of turbulence, it is also a two-way street and I really think everyone can understand when you need the restroom, YOU REALLY NEED THE RESTROOM. For example, Asians having dairy for the first time, or Americans flying back to the U.S.A. because they endured spicy Korean Food where they spent most of their holiday in Seoul in restrooms because of the food? Travelers stomach flu??? Of all people, Flight Attendants should understand that food does not always agree and not everyone flying to foreign destinations is eating the complimentary American Breakfast at their hotels the entire stay such as Cabin Crew do at their respective hotels. Further, when I see Cabin Crew moving about the cabin during the illuminated 'fasten seat belt' sign (not performing cabin checks) obviously there is some risk, but obviously it tells me if I really need the restroom, I will survive because CLEARLY this Cabin Attendant within view is doing something in the galley and delivering it to some passenger needing something (that most likely could have waited if it were that serious).

+ WHY? We are all human and when you need to go during turbulence, it must be out of desperation. As an Asian-American, I had such a hard time with dairy products growing up and since I've lived mostly in the U.S.A. and Europe and only visit to Asia, I have now a hard time with more with Asian Dishes versus Dairy. Funny how the tables turn.  
I seldom have had such issues as I choose my meals wisely when flying. Other times, it cannot be helped even with the most careful planning. For any other reason, there should be no real reason to be walking around the cabin during turbulence. Again, it's my opinion.


Bon Voyage,

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