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Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:28 pm

I started a thread a few years back about Ethiopian "the best managed airline in Africa"

I just read they are about to start taking delivery of 14 A350-900s.

777s, 787s, now A350s?

Why are they so successful? Its impressive that an airline from an African developing economy is doing this good.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Hi g500, I will take a stab at it; others can chime in and keep me honest as well  ET has had a very long track record of excellence on the continent. Their main strengths IMHO:
  • 1) they organically grow the business and their capacity; with homegrown management that is not afraid to make bold moves
  • 2) While government owned, their management is mostly left alone to make its decisions w/o political interference (even during the very tough communism years of 70s and 80s)
  • 3) ET pioneered the East-West traffic within Africa and even more importantly, the Asia-Africa traffic, which is in high growth.
  • 4) they are very good at cost control. They are consistently profitable w/ reported $228M in operating profits in 2013 (http://www.zegabi.com/articles/9038)
  • 5) now that the local market in Ethiopia is getting better, they get more VFR traffic to ADD, on top of the primarily transit traffic through the ADD hub
  • 6) taking the approach that they want to be the primary airline to connect Africa to the world and vice versa.
  • 7) while still work in progress, creating the subsidiaries in West, Southern and Central Africa for intra Africa traffic and as feed to the ADD hub


[Edited 2014-12-19 08:54:30]
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:03 pm

It's also worth noting that the new-generation aircraft will bring more benefits for ET than other airlines because of their superior hot and high performance. Developing a hub in ADD is a major challenge because of the airport's very high elevation (over 7500 feet). So the airline has a lot of incentive to buy aircraft that can take off at that altitude with a heavier payload, and likely has a more aggressive fleet strategy as a result.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:05 pm

They're well positioned for an African hub, so they're making the most of it.

However, having flown them six times in September (LHR-ADD, ADD-JNB, JNB-ADD, ADD-NBO, NBO-ADD and ADD-LHR) I can't say I was overly impressed. After flying on their 9-across 787, 9-across on a 777 seemed like real luxury. But even the fairly new 787 was pretty ratty on the inside.
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 1):
with homegrown management that is not afraid to make bold moves

This is very key to its success. They're willing to launch exciting new routes (like ADD-DUB-LAX, killing 2 birds with one stone) while many retreats back to the hub-to-hub mentality

Their final frontier is ADD-Australia.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 1):

3) ET pioneered the East-West traffic within Africa and even more importantly, the Asia-Africa traffic, which is in high growth.

ADD is right off the Arabian peninsular, so it shares a lot of the ME3 geographic advantages in terms of routing east Asia to Africa, and now, all the way to Lat Am (granted, doing ICN-HKG-ADD-LFW-GRU feels like a very long milk run)
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
After flying on their 9-across 787

Pretty much every operator of the 787 in the world (save one or two, and one of them is converting) operates the plane in a 9-abreast configuration, with seats of identical width as the 737 and 747, which no one complains about.
The sooner a.net and flyertalk get over this fact, the better. It's certainly not reasonable to pick on Ethiopian for being competitive.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:58 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
It's certainly not reasonable to pick on Ethiopian for being competitive.

Indeed. All these operators clearly have enough traffic to fill the planes every day, so if they went with less-dense and more comfortable seating, they would be losing revenue.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:42 pm

Are the A350's eventually going to replace the 777's? Is ET big enough that it would be economical to have 3 widebody types? If they now turn around and order the 777X I will question how wise a decision that is.
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:54 pm

does anyone have a clue as to what the configuration of ET's A359s shall be ? These aircraft should initially be used to replace the B772LRs to USA and China to save on operational costs. The B77L's should be converted in due course to freighters to help grow ET's popular and profitable cargo division.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:05 pm

Can A350 do ADD ICN nonstop?

The stop at HKG cant really make the route that much more sustainable.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
However, having flown them six times in September (LHR-ADD, ADD-JNB, JNB-ADD, ADD-NBO, NBO-ADD and ADD-LHR) I can't say I was overly impressed. After flying on their 9-across 787, 9-across on a 777 seemed like real luxury. But even the fairly new 787 was pretty ratty on the inside.

I agree with this. I flew their 772LR NBO-ADD and another ADD-LHR mid this year and it was terrible, not to mention ADD as a hub is terrible (I found that most vendors only take cash in the local currency which is un-reasonable for transit passengers). I've also flown on their 767 a few years back FRA-ADD and back and it was;t a very good experience. Bottom line is I wont touch them with a 10-feet pole again. Just flew Swiss ZRH-NBO-ZRH instead this week and it was a lot better including the connections. That said, ET have been impressive business-oded wise and whatever they're doing seems to be working.
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:13 am

Apparently the Addis Ababa airport is not pleasant for connections. that is what I read.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:38 am

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 11):
Apparently the Addis Ababa airport is not pleasant for connections. that is what I read.

Probably due to too much success by ET. ET has grown tremendously but the airport hasn't grown at all.
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:02 am

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):

Are you sure they are about to be delivered? I read 2016
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:48 am

Have also heard numerous complaints about ADD, even though it might look reasonably modern from the outside, it's quite a hassle inside, getting too small, very limited seating and the biggest complaint is the lack of being able to use credit/debit cards...and only 2 or 3 ATMs in the whole terminal.
So they'll have to get that sorted, get on par with the growth of ET.
It is amazing to see the growth of the airline, as mentioned having conquered a lot of the intra-Africa connections, now also getting success with intercontinental connections...as mentioned before got a reasonable good geographical position...we might even in future start talking about the ME3 + TK + ET
The days of seeing SAA or EgyptAir as Africa's best/biggest airlines is in the past...ET together with their seperate ventures across the continent (ASKY in Togo + Malawian Airlines) is catching up.
Even on SAA's own turf they're having success...few years ago had 5 weekly 737-700/800 / 757 on ADD-JNB...now have daily 787/77L...and this last few weeks even sending 777-300ER most days.
A few months ago there was mention to launch CPT flights (via JNB) by January...but nothing seen of it yet...anyone knows when this will happen?
 
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RE: Ethiopian 777, 787, Now A350-900.

Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:42 am

I have flown ET once only i.e. B763ER DXB-ADD connecting with a B77L ADD-LOS. My transit in ADD was 1 hour 15 minutes which went off very smoothly. The B763ER looked very dated from the inside but was quite comfortable from a leg room perspective. The B77L ADD-LOS had limited IFE (similar style to Air France content) but seat pitch in Y class was decent. Overall I would rank ET a C+ grade airline and not anything more.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 9):
Can A350 do ADD ICN nonstop?

The stop at HKG cant really make the route that much more sustainable.

yes the A359 can easily fly ADD-ICN nonstop

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 4):
Their final frontier is ADD-Australia.

True and that route is one for the B77L or A359. Main target market would be Africa and SYD would only be able to sustain 3 weekly flights maximum.

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