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PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:52 am

Anyone aware of some Chinese-related important event in Boston these days. Hainan Air have been running basically double daily PEK-BOS flights on 787 for the past few days instead of the 4x weekly normal schedule.

We're used to seeing HU 481/482 on x247. Since last Sunday, 481/482 has gone daily plus the added new HU 487/488 flight which has also gone daily since Thursday.

Weird to say the least.

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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:01 am

More airlines should do what HU does: Fine tune schedules according to demand.

The double daily is only for three days December 18-20. This coincides with the last days of finals for the growing number of PRC college students in New England

Schedule returns to 4 weekly in January but goes to 5 weekly in May then daily in June for the Summer.
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:53 am

I was also wondering whether EK would do the same, but no evidence of it. They aren't shy about extra sections when needed.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:21 am

Are there THAT many Chinese nationals at Harvard and MIT? Seems like an awful lot of extra capacity for just that reason. And with college students being a price-sensitive group I doubt all will opt for the nonstop.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:41 am

lot more universities in Boston apart from those 2...
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 3):
Are there THAT many Chinese nationals at Harvard and MIT?
http://www.bu.edu/today/2014/china/

Over 1200 undergraduates at BU alone.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 3):
And with college students being a price-sensitive group I doubt all will opt for the nonstop.

Chinese students tend to be from middle to upper income families and/or such families are making great sacrifices to have their "one child" attend American colleges and universities.
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:03 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 3):
Are there THAT many Chinese nationals at Harvard and MIT?

There are over 100 universities in New England. On top of that the Chinese are the largest immigrant population in Massachusetts. Yes, larger than any European group.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:36 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 3):
Are there THAT many Chinese nationals at Harvard and MIT? Seems like an awful lot of extra capacity for just that reason. And with college students being a price-sensitive group I doubt all will opt for the nonstop.

It doesn't mean they are flying non-stop, since many of them will fly further to other cities in China. Since there is no Shanghai-Boston, for instance one popular connection could be BOS-PEK-SHA.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:45 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):
Over 1200 undergraduates at BU alone.

Are you saying there are 1200 Chinese undergraduates at BU? I don't think so!
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:18 pm

Interestingly, I was curious to see how many students from China were in the Boston area, and this article mentions the Hainan flight

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...chinese-students-crowd-boston.html

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):

The link states there are 410 freshman students at BU from China, so 1200 in undergrad (4 years) makes sense.

Posters here at airliners seriously underestimate all the traffic that schools and universities generate in the area, and what higher education has became. All this boom in Boston to non-Western destinations (Turkish, Emirates, Copa, Aeromexico, Cathay, Hainan) which really has no possible comparison anywhere in North America, certainly has a lot to do with higher-education and the rise of students from emerging economies (Asia, Middle East, LATAM) and the interests of US universities in those countries.

[Edited 2014-12-20 09:23:20]
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:31 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):

The link states there are 410 freshman students at BU from China, so 1200 in undergrad (4 years) makes sense.

The article is a three-part series from BU's news website called BU Today and online magazine called Bostonia. First part focuses on an undergraduate from Nanjing and her story on choosing BU and what her parents had to do etc.

Here are the quoted numbers from the article:

"To get an idea of the demographic shift that has taken place at BU in the past few years, consider a few numbers: in fall 2008, 42 of 4,131 freshmen were from China. In fall 2013, the numbers were 410 of 3,807 freshmen....... There are 1,229 students from China out of a total of 16,460 BU undergraduates."

That's not even counting graduate students and employees (i.e. professors, post-docs, research technicians, etc).

Overall China student trends in US according to the article:

"The demographic change has been even greater at other campuses across the country. In the 2012–2013 academic year, the number of undergraduates from China in the United States rose to 109,604, up from 79,989. With undergraduate and graduate students combined, students from China numbered 243,623 in 2012–2013, an increase from 202,051 in 2011–2012, according to the nonprofit Institute of International Education."
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
All this boom in Boston to non-Western destinations (Turkish, Emirates, Copa, Aeromexico, Cathay, Hainan) which really has no possible comparison anywhere in North America, certainly has a lot to do with higher-education and the rise of students from emerging economies (Asia, Middle East, LATAM) and the interests of US universities in those countries.

This week is definitely the peak week for this travel. I've monitored fares on ita for the past month. BOS-IST/DXB had several days sold out or at least filled coach. DXB-BOS leg looks to have 0 coach availability the first three weeks of January and peak days. Only one of the BOS-PEK double daily flights was sold out in coach (today's 11am departure)

I checked BU's calendar and students are allowed back on the 16th and start 21st so demand should be fairly heavy that week as well.
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:57 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):
Are you saying there are 1200 Chinese undergraduates at BU? I don't think so!

I believe that. BU has 15,000+ undergrads, so that's not even 10%. There's also a pile of Chinese/Asian students just at the UMass campuses, then you add in Tufts, BU, BC, Northeastern, Harvard, MIT, et al...
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:18 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):
Are you saying there are 1200 Chinese undergraduates at BU? I don't think so!

As somebody who has spent a lot of time at BU I will be the first to tell you that this number is spot on. The other thing is that most of these kids are obscenely wealthy, as they pay full price to attend BU 50K+ a year, not including housing. Then they will live off campus to the tune of $3000 a month for a one bedroom apartment in Back Bay, and as soon as they arrive they'll buy an M class BMW or a Porsche, hence why there are now Chinese speaking car salesmen on Com Ave. They'll buy a nonstop flight home, in business at that.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:32 pm

HU is currently running daily for most of the month with 6 days of 2x daily - this past Thu, Fri and today, then again next week, and back to 4x week in January. All flights have been oversold as well, so the demand is obviously there - good job HU!
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:31 pm

Different areas -- different demographics. I've had students beg for early exams or disappear without examinations after a cheap coach ticket appeared online. Our school has a huge number of African students -- Anglophone, francophone, and lusophone. But the transportation beneficiaries in our area are BA and AF. Frankly, the LH pilot's strike scared a few students.

Btw, were getting daily Internet ads for bargain BWI-BOS-PEK round-trips ($792 taxes included). So HU must have discovered some excess capacity.
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:16 pm

Considering a significant swath of BOS population are students, just have something like 10-20k chinese nationals as students seems totally believable, and again you need to factor in profs, post docs, researchers. Plus too the immigrant population there. I am surprised it took this many years for an airline to service China-BOS
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):
Are you saying there are 1200 Chinese undergraduates at BU? I don't think so!

It's obvious that you didn't even bother to read the article that was linked in the post. It says, and I quote:
"At BU there are 1,229 students from China out of 16,460 undergraduates."
 
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RE: PEK-BOS Double Daily?

Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:09 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
It's obvious that you didn't even bother to read the article that was linked in the post. It says, and I quote:
"At BU there are 1,229 students from China out of 16,460 undergraduates."

I stand corrected,

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