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globalflyer
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:19 am

Bless everyone. So tragic..
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:20 am

A very very unfortunate year for Malaysian aviation with MH and now Air Asia.

Thoughts with those impacted by this...
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 51):
A very very unfortunate year for Malaysian aviation with MH and now Air Asia.

That is very true. It is the third incident this year. I hope next year is much, much different.

While I am reflecting, it seems like this was a bad year for aviation, with some bright spots that were not nearly bright enough.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:27 am

Please excuse my ignorance here.. Is QZ actually Indonesian as in Air Asia Indonesia which was maybe Mandala? Again, I'm not sure and it does not matter as it is a complete tragedy, but was just curious
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:28 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 49):

I would think that S&R would be able to get to the suspected crash site by boat and maybe by helicopter. Regardless of the weather I'm sure someone has been sent out there
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:28 am

AirAsia has changed their Facebook and Twitter logo to grayscale, also their timeline cover:



Extremely sad news to wake up to at 4 o'clock in the morning  
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:30 am

My prayers with them ... hoping for a positive outcome still!

I am supposed to fly these guys (Air Asia Berhad QZ) in a week CGK-DPS ...  
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:31 am

How was the weather in the area?
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 57):
How was the weather in the area?

It's been covered extensively further up the page
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:33 am

Did someone move the Bermuda Triangle to southeast Asia and not tell anyone?
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:33 am

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 53):
Please excuse my ignorance here.. Is QZ actually Indonesian as in Air Asia Indonesia which was maybe Mandala? Again, I'm not sure and it does not matter as it is a complete tragedy, but was just curious
QZ is an Indonesian carrier, in that it is more than 50% held by Indonesian interests, but it is effectively run and managed by AirAsia. Mandala was acquired by Tigerair but is now defunct.

[Edited 2014-12-27 20:35:45]
 
SYDSpotter
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:34 am

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 57):
How was the weather in the area?

Pretty dodgy it seems. See

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 47):

The broader region has seen a lot of heavy rain and flooding in recent days.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:35 am

The Singapore Air Force has sent out two C-130 to search for missing Air Asia flight 8501.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:38 am

With the seemingly severe turbulence in the area, is it conceivable that the aircraft may have broken-up in-flight?
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:40 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 44):
2) Does anyone believe that the cause if more than extraordinary bad turbulence?

Turbulence alone is not going to bring down am airliner at cruise. Flying into a severe thunderstorm can lead to problems. One of the biggest problems with thunderstorms is icing. Engines, wings (leading edge), windows, and pitot probes are all heated to prevent icing, but systems can fail. I have not heard of turbulence bringing down a jet in cruise, but severe thunderstorms icing and rain conditions have. Airplanes have weather radar to help predict severe conditions and encounter weather forecasts in populated areas are usually relatively accurate.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 63):
With the seemingly severe turbulence in the area, is it conceivable that the aircraft may have broken-up in-flight?

Until we have confirmation of anything, it is merely a theory. Weather was bad in the area and turbulence was likely in the flight briefing. Other flight crews in the area will offer their testimony within a few hours to investigators if the turbulence was potentially lethal.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 64):
Turbulence alone is not going to bring down am airliner at cruise. Flying into a severe thunderstorm can lead to problems. One of the biggest problems with thunderstorms is icing. Engines, wings (leading edge), windows, and pitot probes are all heated to prevent icing, but systems can fail. I have not heard of turbulence bringing down a jet in cruise, but severe thunderstorms icing and rain conditions have. Airplanes have weather radar to help predict severe conditions and encounter weather forecasts in populated areas are usually relatively accurate.

There are also issues with engines ingesting large amounts of water. However, it would have to be a huge amount of rain.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:41 am

SQ 931 is doing the same route now with a straight flight path.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA931
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:42 am

QZ8501 went missing in the Karimata Strait in an area of intense thunderstorms. Last contact at 32,000 feet.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:42 am

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 65):
Other flight crews in the area will offer their testimony within a few hours to investigators if the turbulence was potentially lethal.

There should be current published PIREPS if this is the case.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:42 am

Planespotters.Net lists the aircraft as 'written off':

PK-AXC Indonesia AirAsia Airbus A320-216 - cn 3648
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Construction Number (MSN) 3648
Aircraft Type Airbus A320-216
First Flight 25. Sep 2008
Age 6.3 Years
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:43 am

CAAS has released a statement:

Quote:
An Indonesia AirAsia aircraft, QZ8501, scheduled to arrive at 0830 hours local time from Surabaya, lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 0724 hours local time today. Singapore air traffic control was informed of this loss of contact at 0754 hours by Jakarta air traffic control. The aircraft was in the Indonesian Flight Information Region (FIR) when contact was lost, more than 200 nm southeast of the Singapore-Jakarta FIR boundary.

Search and rescue operations have been activated by the Indonesian authorities from the Pangkal Pinang Search and Rescue office. The Singapore Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC), managed by the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) and supported by various agencies, including the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) and the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN), has also been activated and has offered help to the Indonesian authorities. Two C130s are already on stand-by for this purpose.

We remain ready to provide any assistance to support the search and rescue effort. The CAAS and Changi Airport Group (CAG) Crisis Management Centres have already been activated. We are working with the airline’s crisis management team.

A waiting area, and all necessary facilities and support have been set up for relatives and friends of the affected passengers at Changi Airport Terminal 2 (Level 3). Further updates will be provided once more information is available.

- See more at: http://www.tnp.sg/news/breaking-air-...apore-missing#sthash.exq0ACWC.dpuf
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:45 am

Detik.com is reporting that the make-up of the 155 passengers on board QZ8501 nationalities is as follows:

-1 Singaporean
-149 Indonesians
-3 South Koreans
-1 UK citizen
-1 Malaysian.

[Edited 2014-12-27 20:45:33]
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:45 am

Seeing their Facebook page all grey, is really sad! Kinda brings home the feelings of the airline!

Lets all hope for the best till something otherwise is confirmed.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:47 am

I've just received some bad news.

An aircraft crashed east of Belitung Island, Indonesia, but not confirmed to be QZ8501

[Edited 2014-12-27 20:47:43]
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747WanSui
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:47 am

Oh no, not again!

Yet another flight vanishing over the sea.

I wonder if this would in any way resemble several previous flights which also vanished over the sea (i.e. KI574, AF447, and/or MH370)...
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:48 am

I have a thread on here awhile back where a Boeing 707 broke up in mid air from turbulence over Japan back in the 1960s. So the midair breakup from turbulence is plausible.
 
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Miami
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:49 am

Per Flight Radar 24,

There were several aircraft nearby the area where signal from QZ8501 was lost.

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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:50 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 74):
I've just received some bad news.

An aircraft crashed east of Belitung Island, Indonesia, but not confirmed to be QZ8501

This is tragic. Do you have a source you are allowed to post for this?

Still hoping for survivors!
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laxboeingman
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:51 am

NY Times just sent a push notification that says "Search-and-Rescue Operation Underway...airline says."
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Miami
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:53 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 79):
NY Times just sent a push notification that says "Search-and-Rescue Operation Underway...airline says."

I can confirm this. After over 5 hours missing, search-and-rescue is underway.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:55 am

Quoting flyorski (Reply 78):
Do you have a source you are allowed to post for this?

Just found this.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1164...unclear-if-airasia-flight-qz-8501/
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:55 am

Why would a report of a crash take so long? If it crashed east of Belitung, it was many hours ago.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:55 am

FlightAware Data for those with slower internet connections;

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/PKAXC
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PK-AXC / AWQ323
Unknown Owner · Indonesia
Kuala Lumpur Int'l (WMKK / KUL – info)
Terminal 2

Juanda Int'l (WARR / SUB – info)
Terminal 2
05:04PM MYT

06:24PM WIB (?)
Scheduled: 04:15PM MYT

Scheduled: 05:35PM WIB
Other flights between these airports
Duration: 2 hours 20 minutes
Tuesday, December 9, 2014
Status result unknown (?) (track log & graph)
Aircraft Airbus A320 (twin-jet) (A320 – photos)
Speed Filed: 387 kts (graph)
Distance Direct: 1,037 sm

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laxboeingman
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:56 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 74):
An aircraft crashed east of Belitung Island, Indonesia, but not confirmed to be QZ8501

This is very sad. If it is the flight in question, I would have to imagine it is caused by turbulence. Pardon my ignorance, but where exactly is this island?

How are you getting all of this info? How do you have so many sources?

Quoting Miami (Reply 77):
There were several aircraft nearby the area where signal from QZ8501 was lost.

I wonder if they could have seen it?
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:57 am

It is 4:56am here and so it must be many hours ago that this crash happened. Why has it taken 12 hours plus to report on this?
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:57 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 24):

Amen
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:58 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 83):
FlightAware Data for those with slower internet connections;

That information is false. It departed SUB en route to SIN.
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LTC8K6
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:58 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 83):
FlightAware Data for those with slower internet connections;

Wrong flight, I would think.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 85):
It is 4:56am here and so it must be many hours ago that this crash happened. Why has it taken 12 hours plus to report on this?

Last report was 2312 UTC which would have been about 6 hours ago. First report in here was 90 minutes ago
 
laxboeingman
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 85):

It is 4:56am here and so it must be many hours ago that this crash happened. Why has it taken 12 hours plus to report on this?

It did not happen that long ago. First push notification I got was sent one hour ago by CNBC.

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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:00 am

My hopes and prayers are with the passengers and their families - I think we all know what the outcome is going to be, but one can always have hope.

While the weather on the route looks rather nasty, I have always found that the A320 is a really solid aircraft in turbulence. I've flown it through bad winter storms, tropical thunderstorms and all sorts of combined weather and I've never felt that the aircraft was being held together on a hope and a prayer. I would be shocked if this was a case of turbulence causing a major structural failure. To the best of my knowledge, the A320 has never had any sort of major in-flight structural failure.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:01 am

Quoting starstream707 (Reply 76):
So the midair breakup from turbulence is plausible.

It's a known fact that turbulence found in severe thunderstorms is powerful enough to compromise the structural integrity of aircraft. That's why every pilot is instructed to do everything possible to avoid flying through them. While it's highly unusual for a plane to come down because of an in-flight breakup due to turbulence, it's completely possible. Maybe the pilots didn't slow down to a suitable penetration speed in time, or got caught in an area of quickly intensifying activity. Everything is of course speculation at this point.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:01 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 80):
I can confirm this. After over 5 hours missing, search-and-rescue is underway.

Do you work for Air Asia or the Indonesian government? Or are you saying "It is likely that, in the 21st century, after 5 hours missing, an SAR operation is underway." ?
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:02 am

If someone observed the crash, it should have been reported several hours ago. Even if we give an hour for delay, the report should still have come in many hours ago.
 
CyberEntomology
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:02 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 83):
FlightAware Data for those with slower internet connections;

That flight is from December 9. Flightaware doesn't have decent tracking on any of these flights.
 
laxboeingman
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:03 am

Quoting A320FlyGuy (Reply 91):
I have always found that the A320 is a really solid aircraft in turbulence. I've flown it through bad winter storms, tropical thunderstorms and all sorts of combined weather and I've never felt that the aircraft was being held together on a hope and a prayer.

I was on a B6 A320 in 2005 or 2006 through the worst turbulence I have ever flown in and the e/q made it, but everyone on the plane could certainly feel how bad it was. I know that Boeing planes, when they go through, horrific turbulence feel terrible as well, so I am not trying to start A vs. B.

[Edited 2014-12-27 21:04:26]
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:03 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 84):
Pardon my ignorance, but where exactly is this island?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zrhLbauD0dg/TS6AtaiEImI/AAAAAAAAAA0/cRHPaBlwQuY/s1600/10714580-bangka-island-belitung-island-in-indonesia-bukjam.jpg

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 84):
How are you getting all of this info? How do you have so many sources?

I know people that live around the area that I'm currently in contact with. Some media as helped as well.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 84):
I wonder if they could have seen it?

Hard to tell. It's a possibility, but I'm not sure if there was enough light.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:03 am

Oh I apologise I thought it took off at 5pm asia time.
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Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:04 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 92):
It's a known fact that turbulence found in severe thunderstorms is powerful enough to compromise the structural integrity of aircraft. That's why every pilot is instructed to do everything possible to avoid flying through them. While it's highly unusual for a plane to come down because of an in-flight breakup due to turbulence, it's completely possible.

To Wit, AF447.
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