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RE: DL And DAL

Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 49):
That's simply not how it's done. The needs of existing tenants would absolutely be taken into consideration, especially if those tenants have a history of using their leaseholds as fully as possible.

Apparently, that's not how the past plan was laid out.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 49):
WN is the only carrier likely to serve a broad portfolio of destinations from DAL and as such is likely to maintain a substantial competitive advantage there.

Well, yeah.........if they keep dominating the gate situation.
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RE: DL And DAL

Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:15 am

With this new gate agreement, is Delta still limited to the current ATL only schedule? Or will there be enough open gate times to add additional markets? Originally DL had a very aggressive schedule planed if they had won the rights to the former AA gates.
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:44 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 50):
Apparently, that's not how the past plan was laid out.

Actually, it is. Delta wasn't a leaseholder in 2006 when the 20-gate cap was put in place, and they haven't been a leaseholder at DAL for years. They were subletting a gate from AA, but DOJ forced AA to give up its DAL gates as a merger concession.

Quoting AST1driver (Reply 51):
With this new gate agreement, is Delta still limited to the current ATL only schedule? Or will there be enough open gate times to add additional markets?

They could likely add five or six daily flights which would allow a couple of additional markets, but it would require creative scheduling and potentially be a nightmare during IRROPS.
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:06 pm

On the subject of DL at DAL, can we get/commission one of our resident Dallas photographers (Tim Perkins, Jonathan Morgan, Andy Egloff, Alessandro Lukas) to get some good pics of a DL 717 at the new DAL? Posted in the database, I mean...
Heck, I'll treat someone to the Whataburger on Northwest Highway there, next time I'm in town!
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting wwtraveler99 (Reply 33):
WOW!!!! I remember the days when no one wanted a piece of DAL. Now it seems everyone whats to fly there. I think that WN wants DL to fight. Maybe then we can get a real free DAL. Of course WN, AA and the CIty of Dallas can't fight anymore. They need someone else to go to battle. Who better the a HUGE DL.

I predict a completely, 100% free, with no restrictions DAL in the not to distant future with 30+ gates.

Living in Plano (for you non-Dallas people, that's a suburb), I'm closer to DFW, but the artificial limit on the number of gates is just plain anti-competitive and wrong. They ought to re-build on the site of the old Legend terminal on Lemmon Avenue, which used to hold 6 gates, which would add capacity.

just my 2 cents.
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting superjeff (Reply 54):
the artificial limit on the number of gates is just plain anti-competitive and wrong. They ought to re-build on the site of the old Legend terminal on Lemmon Avenue, which used to hold 6 gates, which would add capacity.

This'd be a great time for Washington and/or Dallas to repeal that section to allow for more competition at DAL. Sure AA would cry over it for a couple of days but hey, at least DL, WN and VX would be happy in the end to get more gates.
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 53):

On the subject of DL at DAL, can we get/commission one of our resident Dallas photographers (Tim Perkins, Jonathan Morgan, Andy Egloff, Alessandro Lukas) to get some good pics of a DL 717 at the new DAL? Posted in the database, I mean...
Heck, I'll treat someone to the Whataburger on Northwest Highway there, next time I'm in town!

Free Whataburger you say...

I've been considering this, now that there are more WNs, VX A319s, and DL 717s to shoot. Love used to be a bit boring, but now maybe not so much.
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RE: DL And DAL

Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting zululima (Reply 56):
I've been considering this, now that there are more WNs, VX A319s, and DL 717s to shoot. Love used to be a bit boring, but now maybe not so much.

Exactly!
I was enjoying the KT trail over Christmas vacation, and several Virgin birds flew right over.
So go snap us up a Delta 717!
Chicken strips, burgers, Texas toast.... what better bribe could there be!??!

EDITED to add: What I'm really after, though, is a pic of the Delta 717s with some good Love Field infrastructure in the background. Because otherwise, you've just got another one of thousands of photos of a plane with a sky blue background.... and we seriously don't need that.

[Edited 2015-01-12 13:20:20]
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting AST1driver (Reply 51):
With this new gate agreement, is Delta still limited to the current ATL only schedule? Or will there be enough open gate times to add additional markets? Originally DL had a very aggressive schedule planed if they had won the rights to the former AA gates.

DL is limited to the 5 flights to ATL and this is it. That is all UA agreed to let them use the gate for. Also UA has preferential use meaning if things goes IRROPS UA has the right to use both of their gates to get their flights out if needed before DL can use it.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 57):
EDITED to add: What I'm really after, though, is a pic of the Delta 717s with some good Love Field infrastructure in the background. Because otherwise, you've just got another one of thousands of photos of a plane with a sky blue background.... and we seriously don't need that.

It's nothing to write home about, but I got these from my recent trips in and out of DAL on UA.

Delta at Gate 9
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Virgin America. Notice Southwest was using United 15 in the photo
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Boarding using gate 15
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RE: DL And DAL

Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 18):
Just as for any of us from New York it will ALWAYS be the Pan Am Building. Never mind that Met Life has their logo on it now.

Exactly.
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RE: DL And DAL

Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting superjeff (Reply 54):
Living in Plano (for you non-Dallas people, that's a suburb), I'm closer to DFW, but the artificial limit on the number of gates is just plain anti-competitive and wrong. They ought to re-build on the site of the old Legend terminal on Lemmon Avenue, which used to hold 6 gates, which would add capacity.just my 2 cents.

Yes the current situation at Love Field is anti competitive. It is exactly what Southwest wanted and what they want in Dallas they get.
"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 58):
It's nothing to write home about, but I got these from my recent trips in and out of DAL on UA.

One of these days, I'm going to run into you at KDAL. You'll be the one recording the takeoff or landing AGAIN. It's okay though, I watch all of your videos on yootoobe, regardless.
One really bad feature of the new terminal is that some gates have glass hallways; so much for photos!
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:30 pm

speaking of gate usage at Dallas Love Field, and the restriction on the use of hardstands, where does SeaPort Airlines park? They fly Cessna 208 Caravan aircraft on a Love Field - El Dorado, AR - Hot Springs, AR routing, correct?

e38
 
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RE: DL And DAL

Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:22 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 61):
One of these days, I'm going to run into you at KDAL. You'll be the one recording the takeoff or landing AGAIN. It's okay though, I watch all of your videos on yootoobe, regardless.
One really bad feature of the new terminal is that some gates have glass hallways; so much for photos!

Yeah, I fly in and out of there almost every week . Thanks man! Funny, recently someone on one of my flights messaged me on YouTube. It went were you in seat 5A on flight XXX? I know what you mean. United gate 15 is like that. It reminds me of some of the gates at DFW or some of the international ones at IAH terminal E. I don't get why UA gate is like that because when we land there we use the door closest to the gate and not have to use that long walkway. You know what next time I'm there I'm going to pay very close attention to the walls and area around these gates. I'm wondering if these were built with FIS in mind.

Quoting e38 (Reply 62):

speaking of gate usage at Dallas Love Field, and the restriction on the use of hardstands, where does SeaPort Airlines park? They fly Cessna 208 Caravan aircraft on a Love Field - El Dorado, AR - Hot Springs, AR routing, correct?

Seaport uses Virgin gates.
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RE: DL And DAL

Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:24 am

Both United and Delta are handled by Envoy at DAL.

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