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The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:15 am

 
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:29 am

Good. The entire situation pretty much made a laughing stock of KE, and KE is an international ambassador for South Korea. Nobody should ever behave this way, official capacity or not. I'm glad an example is being made.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:14 am

Or simply just "the nut" ha
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:22 am

This would have been ignored in the days before the internet.

But like everywhere else she got money so she will be free.

Just hope she doesn't return to KE.

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Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:28 am

I think that maybe a new job will be available for her at Air Koryo. Kim Jong-un wants to make sure the required standards are met, especially in the nuts department.
 
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:48 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Good. The entire situation pretty much made a laughing stock of KE, and KE is an international ambassador for South Korea. Nobody should ever behave this way, official capacity or not. I'm glad an example is being made.

Yep, me too, but still is the Korean ministry of transit going too far with the punishment to KE?

Quoting thekorean (Reply 3):
This would have been ignored in the days before the internet.

I'm not sure about that   

Quoting thekorean (Reply 3):
Just hope she doesn't return to KE.

Does Korea business culture do amakudari like Japan does? If so, she'll be back with KE in no time flat.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Good. The entire situation pretty much made a laughing stock of KE, and KE is an international ambassador for South Korea. Nobody should ever behave this way, official capacity or not. I'm glad an example is being made.

It sure did provide some curiosity as to who was really ion charge of the plane that day. I suppose everyone including the pilot were afraid of losing their jobs with this type A bitch throwing a hissy fit. Just shows money doesn't mean classy.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 3):
But like everywhere else she got money so she will be free

Unemployed & wealthy? Sounds rough ..... I'm sure Daddy will pull a few strings to get his little princess a new job, Ugh.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 3):
Just hope she doesn't return to KE

Would this be possible? I don't understand Korean law or culture, so I am genuinely curious. I know there is no way in hell that an American counterpart could get away with anything close to this, they would be escorted off the plane in handcuffs, then dismissed from their job, fined & likely jailed for the same offense, never to be rehired by the same company.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:41 pm

I hope the nuts are served correctly in a bowl and not in the bag in prison.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:07 pm

Nut Lady should have been arrested in New York when (and where) the incident occurred. Pretty obvious that she significantly interfered with the performance of both the crew and the aircraft. Well, shows once again how effective TSA and security are here in the US, but that's another story... Why the Koreans are putting her in the clink now is beyond me. Pretty bizarre politics and nepotism in that part of the world it seems.
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 8):
Nut Lady should have been arrested in New York when (and where) the incident occurred. Pretty obvious that she significantly interfered with the performance of both the crew and the aircraft. Well, shows once again how effective TSA and security are here in the US, but that's another story... Why the Koreans are putting her in the clink now is beyond me. Pretty bizarre politics and nepotism in that part of the world it seems.

I imagine it was a touch situation for the authorities in NY. Returning to the gate isn't a crime and since she was representing herself as an airline executive they really had no reason to detain her.
 
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:43 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 4):
I think that maybe a new job will be available for her at Air Koryo. Kim Jong-un wants to make sure the required standards are met, especially in the nuts department.

Just to think that the captain acceded to her demand to return to the gate--a PASSENGER!--is mind-boggling, daughter or no daughter.

There have been some fascinating articles in various aviation periodicals on Air Koryo and they all say the same thing--that their planes are meticulously maintained and cleaned and their inflight product is quite good.

I just hope the political situation at some point is settled where we can fly them and not worry that we are going to get arrested. There are some tours that take visitors on air tours around North Korea with easy access to ramps, cockpits and apparently VERY welcoming flight crews happy to talk about their airplanes and airline.

Some things in the airline world just never change regardless of the politics and for that I am really glad.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:48 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 8):
ell, shows once again how effective TSA and security are here in the US, but that's another story...

What does the TSA have to do with detecting Grade A bitches at security? There's a scanner for that? Wouldn't it be going off all.the.time?
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:53 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
There have been some fascinating articles in various aviation periodicals on Air Koryo and they all say the same thing--that their planes are meticulously maintained and cleaned and their inflight product is quite good.

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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Quoting thekorean (Reply 3):
Just hope she doesn't return to KE.

Does Korea business culture do amakudari like Japan does? If so, she'll be back with KE in no time flat.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
Would this be possible? I don't understand Korean law or culture, so I am genuinely curious. I know there is no way in hell that an American counterpart could get away with anything close to this, they would be escorted off the plane in handcuffs, then dismissed from their job, fined & likely jailed for the same offense, never to be rehired by the same company.

Given that she is the daughter of the KE CEO I can bet my 2cents that she will be back in no time...for sure under a new role though.
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:57 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 8):
Nut Lady should have been arrested in New York when (and where) the incident occurred. Pretty obvious that she significantly interfered with the performance of both the crew and the aircraft. Well, shows once again how effective TSA and security are here in the US, but that's another story...

I disagree. TSA had nothing to do with this. This is a drama between a Korean Airline, Korean executive, Korean crew and Korean society in general. Better to let the Koreans take care of this issue and us Americans wash our hands off of it. Sit back and enjoy the show for once.
 
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:01 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
Just to think that the captain acceded to her demand to return to the gate--a PASSENGER!--is mind-boggling, daughter or no daughter.

No, not just a daughter, but she herself was a member of KE's board of directors and she herself was the director of in-flight service. I can see how the crew could have been intimidated, especially with such a high-ranking executive threatening their jobs if they didn't comply.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting turn720 (Reply 15):
I disagree. TSA had nothing to do with this. This is a drama between a Korean Airline, Korean executive, Korean crew and Korean society in general.

Let me put it this way, If it had been me, on a Delta flight out of JFK, seated in First, and I suddenly got out of my seat while taxiing, demanding that my orange juice be served in a proper glass rather than in plastic, and further demanding that the plane return to the gate and the chief flight attendant be removed because of this insult, what do you think would happen? After the pilot acceded to my demand that we return to the gate, of course. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be behind my monitor typing right now.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
Just to think that the captain acceded to her demand to return to the gate--a PASSENGER!--is mind-boggling, daughter or no daughter.

I dunno - Playing armchair captain, I think he made the decision to go back 50% because he wouldn't want to upset his CEO and 50% because it would probably have caused more problems to deny her and continue the flight - now you have a double upset "Grade A Bitch" trapped aboard your airplane for 12 hours.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:23 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
No, not just a daughter, but she herself was a member of KE's board of directors and she herself was the director of in-flight service.

MOLIT said she was just a pax with no authority over the plane or crew. That's why she is being charged.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 17):
Let me put it this way, If it had been me, on a Delta flight out of JFK, seated in First, and I suddenly got out of my seat while taxiing, demanding that my orange juice be served in a proper glass rather than in plastic, and further demanding that the plane return to the gate and the chief flight attendant be removed because of this insult, what do you think would happen? After the pilot acceded to my demand that we return to the gate, of course. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be behind my monitor typing right now.

I don't know what point you're trying to make. You're making up a story that has nothing to do with this issue.

In your fantastical story, what does the TSA have to do with it?

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Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:59 am

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 17):
Let me put it this way, If it had been me, on a Delta flight out of JFK, seated in First, and I suddenly got out of my seat while taxiing, demanding that my orange juice be served in a proper glass rather than in plastic, and further demanding that the plane return to the gate and the chief flight attendant be removed because of this insult, what do you think would happen? After the pilot acceded to my demand that we return to the gate, of course. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be behind my monitor typing right now.

No... if the pilot determined that the plane needed to return to the gate, the police (not the TSA; they were there to check security before the flight, not anything that happened after that) might be called to arrest the perpetrator.

In this case, the lead FA was put off the plane, not the nut job. The pilot never requested police help - and that would have been his authority - .so there was no role for them.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:19 am

There is a very fine thread between being a company executive and being a captain. Most captains are worried about their jobs. Just watch the movie "Titanic" and you will see how a CEO can intimidate the person in command. It is just human nature and takes a lot of cojonnes to tell a CEO or senior executive "No, the door is closed and I am in charge." Most would simply cave.

One has to understand the Korean's traditional respect for position and authority. This has been covered on other threads. There was a period where the first officer would sit there silently while the captain flew the airplane into the side of the mountain. I recall one incident where a first officer was attending training with several captains and an instructor praised the performance of the FO. The next day he showed up with a black eye and no one asked a question. It is a cultural issue where one does NOT question anyone they perceive to be their superior. Right or wrong it is just the way it is. Korean society has moved far ahead with the institution of Crew Resource Management (CRM) but it is still not totally gone.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:29 am

Her youger sister, Hyun-Min(Emily) Cho, senior VP of KE, texted her " I would revenge", that has made things worse. revenge who?

She had been imprisoned in Seoul Lockup with other prisoners in 30th Dec. Happy new year!

Many Korean poeple say, she violates not only aviation laws but also so-called "national emotion law or popular sentiment law". So her returning to KE will never happen. Hahaha
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:16 am

As I said in the other thread yesterday when I posted a link to this development: "Great News"

This nutcase needs to do some time because of her antics...
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:48 am

Just for the record, this same BITCH, when she came into the Directors position sent out letters to every model airplane manufacturer demanding that any models adorning the KE livery, must be removed from the market immediately. Despite attempts to reason with her department, they would hear nothing. She had chosen some crappy local Korean model maker (more than likely a benefit to her own purse), to replace everyone. I hope she rots the rest of her life away at a Kim-chi fast food restaurant!
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:49 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
Just to think that the captain acceded to her demand to return to the gate--a PASSENGER!--is mind-boggling, daughter or no daughter.

You do realize the authority the passenger had?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
. I can see how the crew could have been intimidated, especially with such a high-ranking executive threatening their jobs if they didn't comply.

There is the problem. There should be review boards between such high ranked people and line employees to prevent this from happening.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
MOLIT said she was just a pax with no authority over the plane or crew. That's why she is being charged.

A passenger who could fire every crew member on the plane.

This means the Captain wasn't the PIC. This actually makes a *great* argument for pilot unions. Oh, I'm not a union fan, but the reality is that once a Captain is given authority over an aircraft, that individual must hold that authority until the appointed time to surrender it. The Captain didn't have that authority and that is a problem. There was no person in charge (PIC). That is a *major* safety issue that must be corrected.

Quoting AirKorea (Reply 25):
Her youger sister, Hyun-Min(Emily) Cho, senior VP of KE, texted her " I would revenge", that has made things worse. revenge who?

Link? That raises the issue quite a bit.

This completely breaks down the chain of command and must be stopped. Time for an audit.  

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Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:20 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 26):
Her youger sister, Hyun-Min(Emily) Cho, senior VP of KE, texted her " I would revenge", that has made things worse. revenge who?
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:09 am

Maybe look at this Captain in another light. You have some maniac executive in the back. She wants this FA turfed off the flight. You could have tried to placate her, assign the FA somewhere else on the aircraft and continue on. Now said maniac gets away with it and said behaviour goes unchecked.

You let her "usurp" your command and return to the gate. Now you have an incident that the company will have to take note of. It hits the press and now she's really in the glue.

It's an easy call. "You want her off? Fine." I'll make sure EVERYONE corporately knows who and why caused this major disruption to the operation. Little Princess continued to destination thinking all was good. Little did she know she signed her own termination. The fact it made news was even a larger nail in her coffin.

If she was the head of in flight, she would have likely had a well known reputation. All the FAs would have known who she was and that she'd be on board. And the Captain acquiescing to her DEMANDS proved the perfect ending. A likely long history of being a tyrant finally catches up.

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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:43 am

I think it is easy to say how anyone would have acted in the Captain's shoes, but most, if not all of us do act differently when someone higher up in your workplace is around. She wasn't just a manager that still had many people ahead of her though, she was on the board of directors, an executive at the company as well and to top it all off a family member of the owners. I do not blame anyone at all for the way they acted in this case. The only person who was at fault is the executive herself.

She made a mistake, she is paying for it now. I hope it is a lesson for her and her family on how to act. There is no denying that cultural differences are at play here, but we can see that the reaction in Korea is clearly indicative that her actions were not appropriate.
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:49 am

lol if this happened in Indonesia, it will be a different story. Over here, the more powerful you are, you get to control everything. Once / twice I experiencing some delays in my flights due to high profile figure on board of the plane coming in late / etc so we gotta to wait, and those people are not even the CEO of the airlines. Not to mention a mafia, the plane will wait for them or otherwise they will get trouble later on if they left them behind. So sad but true.
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:55 am

All in all, technically, the Captain is the highest ranking officer in the plane. But when your boss in your plane.... let's see... should I resist her command and sign my own dead certificate, or let your boss do whatever he/she want and let the crowd/police/world judges.... I pick option number 2, if I were the captain. I'm not about to lose my job yet for sure. Unless of course if your boss acted crazy and jeopardizing the safety of the plane and the people in it, then it will be a whole different scenario.
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
There is a very fine thread between being a company executive and being a captain. Most captains are worried about their jobs. Just watch the movie "Titanic" and you will see how a CEO can intimidate the person in command. It is just human nature and takes a lot of cojonnes to tell a CEO or senior executive "No, the door is closed and I am in charge." Most would simply cave.

In Germany there existed a shipping company called F.Laeitz. They were the last operators of large sailing ships (among them such illustrious names like the Preussen, Padua, Pamir, all starting with P, hence the "flying P-liners").
The ships were often at sea for months at a time, with the captain being the absolute boss on board.
But when the captain came back to the company's head offices in Hamburg, he had to stand in front of the company owner's desk like a schoolboy in front of the principal. The reason was to teach the captains that there was still a boss above them.

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Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:19 pm

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 31):
I think it is easy to say how anyone would have acted in the Captain's shoes, but most, if not all of us do act differently when someone higher up in your workplace is around. She wasn't just a manager that still had many people ahead of her though, she was on the board of directors, an executive at the company as well and to top it all off a family member of the owners. I do not blame anyone at all for the way they acted in this case. The only person who was at fault is the executive herself.

When I was recently working for a MRO in Azerbaidjan, one day the Boeing rep and myself were hanging around in the MCC office waiting for our aircraft to come in. The(American) Boeing rep was leaning against an empty. desk, while we chatted. Suddenly an elderly man in suit and coat walked in and the locals literally snapped to attention. One of them told us to straighten up too, since it apparently was one of the top directors of the company, which is very large in Azerbaidjan, not just in aviation, but also in fields of business like banking, oil, construction, hotels etc..

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Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 17):

Agree with your statement 100%, the moment the turn back to get you off.....things will not be the same.
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:29 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 17):
Let me put it this way, If it had been me, on a Delta flight out of JFK, seated in First, and I suddenly got out of my seat while taxiing, demanding that my orange juice be served in a proper glass rather than in plastic, and further demanding that the plane return to the gate and the chief flight attendant be removed because of this insult, what do you think would happen? After the pilot acceded to my demand that we return to the gate, of course. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be behind my monitor typing right now.

I was wondering how you figure the TSA is any part of this, but after reading your quote about a "modern American hero" it all makes sense now. Is there nothing that certain Americans turn into a confirmation of their political ideology?
 
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:19 pm

Even if her dad isn't able to get her another nice cushy job, she could try her hand at Hollywood and give Tyra Banks of America's Next Top Model fame a run for her money. She could become the next gay icon 
Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 4):

I think that maybe a new job will be available for her at Air Koryo. Kim Jong-un wants to make sure the required standards are met, especially in the nuts department.

I'm sure he'll admire her fervour and passion at least!
 
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
The entire situation pretty much made a laughing stock of KE, and KE is an international ambassador for South Korea.

On the plus side, the macadamia nut farmers here in Hawaii are loving the free advertising their product is getting in South Korea.  
 
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:32 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 36):
On the plus side, the macadamia nut farmers here in Hawaii are loving the free advertising their product is getting in South Korea.

They should push to confer her an honorary citizenship, or at least create an award specifically for her. Something along the line of: Distinguished Order of the NUT, or D.O.NUT in short.
Dunkin' might want to sponsor that.
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:25 am

Quoting neutrino (Reply 37):

No Dunkin in Hawaii...would to be Starbucks or a locally owned shop
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 36):
On the plus side, the macadamia nut farmers here in Hawaii are loving the free advertising their product is getting in South Korea.
Quoting neutrino (Reply 37):
They should push to confer her an honorary citizenship, or at least create an award specifically for her. Something along the line of: Distinguished Order of the NUT, or D.O.NUT in short.
Dunkin' might want to sponsor that.

And she should be quite proud of her title of "The Nut Lady!"

Seems like the parents have done a fine job of raising at least two of their daughters!
 
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 38):
No Dunkin in Hawaii...would to be Starbucks or a locally owned shop

Would that be Starnuts?

Quoting copter808 (Reply 39):
And she should be quite proud of her title of "The Nut Lady!"

So how do the Korean courts refer to her ongoing criminal suit? The NutCase?
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:12 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 8):
Why the Koreans are putting her in the clink now is beyond me. Pretty bizarre politics and nepotism in that part of the world it seems.

I thought I had heard somewhere that she was under investigation because she interfered with the investigation by seeking to cover up details. That would land her in jail no matter what country she's in.

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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:04 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
Just to think that the captain acceded to her demand to return to the gate--a PASSENGER!--is mind-boggling, daughter or no daughter.

I am not too familiar with this case, but one of the things she is being charged with according to the OP's article is assault.

That could be a good enough reason for the pilot to return and would probably happen in the USA too.

[Edited 2015-01-02 08:07:40]
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RE: The "Nut Lady" Has Been Detained In Korea

Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:07 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 42):
I am not too familiar with this case, but one of the things she is being charged with according to the OP's article is assault. That could be a good enough reason for the pilot to return.

But the pilot returned based on her demands to off-load the Purser... I will agree that she should have been the one deboarded!
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