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tcyvr
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Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:24 am

AF will start flying into YVR in March 2015. But they will be operating seasonal flights. I am wondering why is AF not flying seven weekly through out the year? Is it because they don't want to hurt KLM or worried that they won't be able to sustain? If BA and LH are able to sustain then why can't AF?
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:31 am

could it be the french have some demand for the Cruise line Industry ? About that time they start sending cruises to Alaska Via the inside passage.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:17 am

AF/KL, for all intents and purposes, is one airline. They are starting YEG and adding frequency to YVR and YYC. They are increasing almost two fold their operations in western Canada in 2015. That is a big increase. Winter demand between NA and Europe is very weak, even to a place like YVR, which has winter activities nearby.

Wish AF the best of luck in YVR. Time will tell if both AF and KL can coexist there.

I'm also very interested to see if KL will follow through as planned with YEG, now that oil is down to 55$ a barrel.

[Edited 2014-12-31 22:24:35]
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tcyvr
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:06 am

Yes it is pretty aggressive on AF/KL's part considering that there is a very low demand in Western Canada in the winter months.

But considering AF's network I think it would be able to sustain year round with seven weekly. Again I guess time will judge that.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:34 pm

AF/KL have the interline agreement with WS which helps feeding a lot.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting TCYVR (Thread starter):
AF will start flying into YVR in March 2015.

This is old news: Air France To Start Vancouver (by Miami Nov 3 2014 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting TCYVR (Reply 3):
I think it would be able to sustain year round with seven weekly

Canada market is highly seasonal. No need for daily service during the winter unless they have no other more profitable routes to use the aircraft. And connecting traffic is almost always lower yield than O&D and there isn't much YVR-France O&D traffic.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:00 pm

A new route is rarely profitable immediately. So, it makes a lot of sense to not start a route daily or year round to see how it works and how the market reacts/adjusts before eventually increase frequencies.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 5):

And if you would have bothered to read his post you would have known he wasn't trying to break news about the launch, but rather asking why the route is seasonal and less than daily. Maybe the thread title could have been better, but at least take the time to read the post.
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):



Canada market is highly seasonal. No need for daily service during the winter unless they have no other more profitable routes to use the aircraft. And connecting traffic is almost always lower yield than O&D and there isn't much YVR-France O&D traffic.

I don't know what the current traffic is between the two cities but the YVR Airport Authority has conducted surveys of Vancouver residents. See the link here:

http://yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2014/14-11-03/mais_oui_paris.aspx

I think the evidence of those surveys could have helped motivate Air France's decision to fly the route.

Does anyone have the statistics of YVR-CGD O&D traffic??
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RE: Air France To YVR

Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting iflycanadian (Reply 9):
YVR Airport Authority has conducted surveys of Vancouver residents

"Number one requested destination" doesnt necessarily say much about the O&D between two cities.

How was the survey conducted? Was it a multiple choice type question or did the person have to come up with an answer on his own.
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RE: Air France To YVR

Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:41 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 10):
Quoting iflycanadian (Reply 9):
YVR Airport Authority has conducted surveys of Vancouver residents

"Number one requested destination" doesnt necessarily say much about the O&D between two cities.

How was the survey conducted? Was it a multiple choice type question or did the person have to come up with an answer on his own.

I am not sure of the survey's methodology, although YVR has previously obtained data from InterVISTAS Consulting, a well respected and established firm. See link:

http://www.intervistas.com/?portfolio=bluetooth-tracking-project-yvr

http://www.intervistas.com/?portfoli...am-passenger-satisfaction-tracking

In fact, InterVISTAS used to be part of YVR. See:

http://www.intervistas.com/?page_id=317

Perhaps someone out there knows more about the survey YVR mentions.
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RE: Air France To YVR

Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 10):
"Number one requested destination" doesnt necessarily say much about the O&D between two cities.

No figures to offer but Paris in terms of O&D is behind London and Frankfurt but ahead of Amsterdam.

The French have yet to discover the western part of Canada in the way Germans, Swiss and Dutch have done. It is a
market ripe for development.
It is a pity Air France does not extend the flight to PPT, maybe by doing so can offer a year round flight?
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:39 am

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 12):
It is a pity Air France does not extend the flight to PPT, maybe by doing so can offer a year round flight?

Wasn't that considered and rejected several years ago, in favour of a PPT-LAX-CDG routing instead? I seem to recall that AF would make LA or Vancouver their intermediate stop, but not both. LA clearly holds more appeal and/or profit, never mind lying almost exactly along the great circle route between Tahiti and France.
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RE: Air France To YVR

Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:59 am

Air France is not launching seasonal operations to YVR.. they have committed to year round.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/11/25/af-yvr-w15/

AIRFRANCE has loaded operational schedule and opened reservation for Paris CDG – Vancouver Winter 2015/16 season, which sees this route operating on year-round basis. From 25OCT15, AF will operate 3 weekly flights with 3-class 777-200ER aircraft in Winter season.

AF374 CDG1035 – 1150YVR 772 135
AF379 YVR1350 – 0835+1CDG 772 135
 
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RE: Air France To YVR

Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:18 am

Strange that when TN fly's Franch Army charter from Paris to PPT rtn they stop for fuel at YVR and not LAX since they already have services in L.A.

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