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Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:01 pm

Welcome to the 12th edition of the Phoenix Arizona Aviation Threads. Link to the previous thread Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 11 (by American 767 Sep 23 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Please continue the discussion here.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:01 pm

What's this inbound Delta 744?
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:02 pm

Possibly Bowl related?
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:11 pm

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...arizona-helicopter-crash/21151403/

Cochise County' SO Helicopter crashed after going back down from mx in Phoenix. I really hope this is not like the last issue where a rag was left in the engine.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 2):
Possibly Bowl related?

Nope, Phoenix Cardinals to their game.

P.S. Phoenix Spotters Website.

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http://phxspotters.com/

I know what you mean about the flow of US/AA and WN. The good thing is that PHX is a spotters friendly airport for the most part so you can get some nice angles on rotation off of 7L/25R form 40th St and get great landing shots of BA from T-4 level 9 parking garage.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:58 am

https://www.facebook.com/CochiseSO/posts/734468829957882

This is from a forced landing on 9/12/14 of Cochise County SO Helicopter that was involved in the double fatal accident this morning. This was a hard landing from the collapse of the skids, but I also know that they are designed to absorb and break with specific impact loads.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:43 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 3):
P.S. Phoenix Spotters Website.

Cathy747

http://phxspotters.com/

I know what you mean about the flow of US/AA and WN. The good thing is that PHX is a spotters friendly airport for the most part so you can get some nice angles on rotation off of 7L/25R form 40th St and get great landing shots of BA from T-4 level 9 parking garage.

THANK YOU for this!!!

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also CZ. And that IB A346, sans engines...wow.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:29 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 5):

I forgot to mention, you might want to also look on Flicker as that is where I post mine as well as on PHXSpotters webpage and their Facebook Page.

One of the Admins for PHX Spotters started a facebook page entitled Aviation photography Is NOT A crime that is worth a look and anyone can post on that site.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/420954654710704/420981914707978/?notif_t=group_activity
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:57 am

Looks like Obama is visiting Phoenix this week. He comes in Weds night and leaves some time Thursday.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting 777stl (Reply 7):
Looks like Obama is visiting Phoenix this week. He comes in Weds night and leaves some time Thursday.

Yeah, traffic nightmares. At least he should not be arriving until later in the night on Wednesday.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:38 am

Any idea what happened this morning with US Air, I heard they were short staffed at the ticket counter causing missed flights for alot of passengers.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:20 pm

Well, rather quickly after my first post, BA289 has suddenly improved on-time performance! It's been on-time or early for the past
several days, including today. Seems BA has gotten their act straightened out! Sched. is 1405-->1750...

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:10 pm

The East hold bay near T3N is about to undergo resurfacing in three stages. Starting Feb 9th going all the way until July 9th. This will affect US's holding operations in the morning and evening complexes and it will also affect DL's RONing locations as well as the Taxiway just east of T3N.

Additionally, the resurfacing of the T4N will operate similar to T4S, but I am told that operations will only be affected 1-2 gates at a time to accommodate US's schedule.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 11):
The East hold bay near T3N is about to undergo resurfacing in three stages. Starting Feb 9th going all the way until July 9th. This will affect US's holding operations in the morning and evening complexes and it will also affect DL's RONing locations as well as the Taxiway just east of T3N.

Additionally, the resurfacing of the T4N will operate similar to T4S, but I am told that operations will only be affected 1-2 gates at a time to accommodate US's schedule.

They'll also be relocating the triturator (again) to just south of the blast fence north of C-Point, though i believe that's part of the T3 project.

The north apron recon will indeed proceed in pairs of gates, and in 4 phases. IIRC the phases will alternate between different concourses as well so it won't be like the south side where they started at S4 and moved west. The entire project is supposed to take a few years due to the schedule and funding cycle limitations.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:48 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 12):
The north apron recon will indeed proceed in pairs of gates, and in 4 phases. IIRC the phases will alternate between different concourses as well so it won't be like the south side where they started at S4 and moved west. The entire project is supposed to take a few years due to the schedule and funding cycle limitations.

They should just wait until AA/US abandons PHX. Then they could do the whole north side in one shot.  

Seriously though, it's amazing they can do the WN side in a year (give or take) but it'll take a couple years to do the US side.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:29 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 13):

Quoting wn676 (Reply 12):
The north apron recon will indeed proceed in pairs of gates, and in 4 phases. IIRC the phases will alternate between different concourses as well so it won't be like the south side where they started at S4 and moved west. The entire project is supposed to take a few years due to the schedule and funding cycle limitations.

They should just wait until AA/US abandons PHX. Then they could do the whole north side in one shot.  

Seriously though, it's amazing they can do the WN side in a year (give or take) but it'll take a couple years to do the US side.

The north apron to be reconstructed is about twice as large than the south apron project, and they'll be working about half as fast only doing two gates at a time as opposed to an entire half-concourse on the south apron. It will certainly be interesting to see how the City will handle gate usage on N4 considering how constrained they can be for FIS gates at certain times.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:09 pm

The DL 747-400 leaves at about 0300 on 1/7.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 11):
The East hold bay near T3N is about to undergo resurfacing in three stages. Starting Feb 9th going all the way until July 9th. This will affect US's holding operations in the morning and evening complexes and it will also affect DL's RONing locations as well as the Taxiway just east of T3N.

I believe DL is working with the airport we will have spots open down on the southside and over by the excec terminal.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:22 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):
The DL 747-400 leaves at about 0300 on 1/7

Here on scheduled service or is it the return from a charter?
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:51 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):

Theoretical question..

Is it possible to move HA and SY into the T3N, and then give T3S to Delta all by itself? I went and did a little spotting today and noticed DL had a good bit of traffic..two 763s to MSP, and 757s to other hubs..
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:09 am

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 17):

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):

Theoretical question..

Is it possible to move HA and SY into the T3N, and then give T3S to Delta all by itself? I went and did a little spotting today and noticed DL had a good bit of traffic..two 763s to MSP, and 757s to other hubs..


It's possible but then they'd probably have to move them right back out of the north concourse. I'd expect to see some temporary relocating of airlines out of the north concourse while it's being expanded. I believe there are plans to add two gates back to T2 as well to accommodate the T3 modernization project.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 18):

So during the T3 modernization project, they'll be moving airlines over to T2?
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:52 pm

Anyone have photos of the heavies that came through in the past month? Post here!

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 19):
So during the T3 modernization project, they'll be moving airlines over to T2?

I think some will be at T4 and others will use the empty gate at T3.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 19):

Quoting wn676 (Reply 18):

So during the T3 modernization project, they'll be moving airlines over to T2?


Correct, from what I understand Gates 1 and 2 are being reactivated to accommodate T3 tenants.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 21):
Correct, from what I understand Gates 1 and 2 are being reactivated to accommodate T3 tenants.

Damn, I was hoping it was that side gate hut area with gates B & C (i think).
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
Anyone have photos of the heavies that came through in the past month? Post here!

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 19):
So during the T3 modernization project, they'll be moving airlines over to T2?

I think some will be at T4 and others will use the empty gate at T3.

Moving airlines to T4 will only exacerbate the gate availability problem with the ongoing apron recon. For the T3 north concourse bump-out, I would think that they could utilize the south concourse and the two additional gates at T2 to handle the north concourse tenants.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 22):
Damn, I was hoping it was that side gate hut area with gates B & C (i think).

Gates C, and D, are still used today, United Express CR2s use C sometimes, and Great Lakes uses D. There's no jetway there anymore though.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:19 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 24):
Gates C, and D, are still used today, United Express CR2s use C sometimes, and Great Lakes uses D. There's no jetway there anymore though.

Ah I knew Great Lakes did, but i didn't know that UA still used it. I have some fond memories flying UA out of T2 and it always felt like we would get that gate.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:04 pm

Sky Harbor's website shows after the terminal reconfig they will take on the south concourse next. They originally indicated it would be the north side.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:28 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 25):
Ah I knew Great Lakes did, but i didn't know that UA still used it. I have some fond memories flying UA out of T2 and it always felt like we would get that gate.

Yup, it usually seems to be the last flight in from LAX that parks at C, and then leaves early the next morning back to LAX, the majority of UA's flights are at their usual T2 gates though.


I remember flying on a UA 735 to LAX out of gate C many years ago, it was always a cool experience flying out of there in my opinion. I also remember seeing Air Canada A319/320s using gate C.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting austwin (Reply 26):
Sky Harbor's website shows after the terminal reconfig they will take on the south concourse next. They originally indicated it would be the north side

The artist impressions look very impressive, quite an upgrade from the current somewhat dark and drab. In terms of the sequence I guess they figured they could rebuild the South side without impacting operations as it is barely used (HA only?) and then move all the North concourse airlines to the bright shiny new concourse and then rebuild the North side at their leisure.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:38 pm

I know this is just a rendering but it looks interesting that they have regional jets on the other side of the sky train and the gate at the end of T3S (far left) has an aircraft UNDER the train.

I can't imagine they'd do that but what do I know.

https://skyharbor.com/images/tmod/Terminal3_A.jpg
 
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:25 pm

We used C the other night flying in from SFO on a CR2 - First time using that gate, or deplaning without a jetway at T2 for me.
 
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 29):

I know this is just a rendering but it looks interesting that they have regional jets on the other side of the sky train and the gate at the end of T3S (far left) has an aircraft UNDER the train.

I can't imagine they'd do that but what do I know.

https://skyharbor.com/images/tmod/Terminal3_A.jpg


It's a curious situation for sure, since they'll need to provide clearance for a Group IV aircraft with a nose-gear failure. It doesn't seem as if there's enough room to achieve a manageable slope, but then again as you said it's only a rendering. I imagine the Sky Train guideway will make a slight S-turn to avoid most of the west taxilane and instead only provide clearance for the RJs.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 31):
I imagine the Sky Train guideway will make a slight S-turn to avoid most of the west taxilane and instead only provide clearance for the RJs.

Which is scheduled to be completed first the terminal or the next phase of the train?

They could always put in a couple large RJ type gates to accomadate the clearance.
 
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 32):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 31):
I imagine the Sky Train guideway will make a slight S-turn to avoid most of the west taxilane and instead only provide clearance for the RJs.

Which is scheduled to be completed first the terminal or the next phase of the train?

They could always put in a couple large RJ type gates to accomadate the clearance.

The terminal should be done before the rental car portion of the train.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:02 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 32):

Quoting wn676 (Reply 31):
I imagine the Sky Train guideway will make a slight S-turn to avoid most of the west taxilane and instead only provide clearance for the RJs.

Which is scheduled to be completed first the terminal or the next phase of the train?

They could always put in a couple large RJ type gates to accomadate the clearance.

Pure speculation, but the terminal should be first...I don't think the Sky Train will be extended any farther west until T2 is demolished, which is supposed to coincide with the last phase of the south concourse project.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:31 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 34):
Pure speculation, but the terminal should be first...I don't think the Sky Train will be extended any farther west until T2 is demolished, which is supposed to coincide with the last phase of the south concourse project.

It won't be fully built but from what I have heard from the Sky Train Ops fellows, the building will start at the rental car facility and go towards T2 and then the second phase will be starting at the T3 station and heading towards the already completed portion which I assume won't be started until after T2 has been fully demolished.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:37 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 29):
I know this is just a rendering but it looks interesting that they have regional jets on the other side of the sky train and the gate at the end of T3S (far left) has an aircraft UNDER the train.

I can't imagine they'd do that but what do I know.

https://skyharbor.com/images/tmod/Terminal3_A.jpg

Yeah, indeed! Agree with wn676 above.

But...where in hell is the western-most pier of T4N???? It looks as if it's demolished & gone in this rendering.
Am I not aware of something?? LOL

Oh by the way, speaking of T4N...I've seen mention in these threads about PHX of "high gates" and "low gates".
Can one of you kind folks explain to a new transplant from DCA what that refers to? I mean, I know it refers to the
three different piers of T4N, but which are which? Thanks!
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 36):
But...where in hell is the western-most pier of T4N???? It looks as if it's demolished & gone in this rendering.
Am I not aware of something?? LOL

That isn't the T4N pier, it is an empty area of tarmac where a few gates are and also a few hardstands. In the rendering, I am not sure what that is.

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 36):
Oh by the way, speaking of T4N...I've seen mention in these threads about PHX of "high gates" and "low gates".
Can one of you kind folks explain to a new transplant from DCA what that refers to? I mean, I know it refers to the
three different piers of T4N, but which are which? Thanks!

T4N has four piers, from West to East, you have High A (A30 at top, A17 at the bottom), Low A (A1-A18), Low B (B1-B14), High B (B15-B28)
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Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:46 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 36):

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 29):
I know this is just a rendering but it looks interesting that they have regional jets on the other side of the sky train and the gate at the end of T3S (far left) has an aircraft UNDER the train.

I can't imagine they'd do that but what do I know.

https://skyharbor.com/images/tmod/Terminal3_A.jpg

Yeah, indeed! Agree with wn676 above.

But...where in hell is the western-most pier of T4N???? It looks as if it's demolished & gone in this rendering.
Am I not aware of something?? LOL

Oh by the way, speaking of T4N...I've seen mention in these threads about PHX of "high gates" and "low gates".
Can one of you kind folks explain to a new transplant from DCA what that refers to? I mean, I know it refers to the
three different piers of T4N, but which are which? Thanks!

T4N has 4 concourses, two sets of A gates and two sets of B gates. The high and low refer to the High A's (A17-30) and the Low A's (A1-A14) and similarly on the B gates. The actual concourse names are N1 (A17-30, western-most), N2 (A1-14), N3 (B1-14), and N4 (B15-28). Same pattern for the south side except they start with an S instead of an N.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting alasizon (Reply 37):
T4N has four piers, from West to East, you have High A (A30 at top, A17 at the bottom), Low A (A1-A18), Low B (B1-B14), High B (B15-B28)
Quoting wn676 (Reply 38):
T4N has 4 concourses, two sets of A gates and two sets of B gates. The high and low refer to the High A's (A17-30) and the Low A's (A1-A14) and similarly on the B gates. The actual concourse names are N1 (A17-30, western-most), N2 (A1-14), N3 (B1-14), and N4 (B15-28). Same pattern for the south side except they start with an S instead of an N.

Thank you both for this info, now I get it!
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:12 am

Well after yet another interesting weekend in the NFL playoffs it looks like no matter who is coming to PHX in a couple weeks will be chartering DL.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:35 am

It's going to be a great few weeks for spotting in PHX with the Super Bowl, BJ, and the Phoenix open.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:12 am

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 36):


But...where in hell is the western-most pier of T4N???? It looks as if it's demolished & gone in this rendering.
Am I not aware of something?? LOL


If you're talking about that area north of the tower, that's a transfer facility for US Airways cargo. North of that is the east hold bay. The City also has an admin building located there next to the roadway.

The T4 pier is there across the taxiways...it's just aerial imagery so it's flattened out.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:28 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 42):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 42):
It's going to be a great few weeks for spotting in PHX with the Super Bowl, BJ, and the Phoenix open.

What is the BJ? Thanks.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:00 am

Quoting austwin (Reply 43):
What is the BJ? Thanks.

Hehehe. Hehehe. Way too easy.

It's the lead Barrett Jackson car auction/convention(BJ is HQ'd in Scottsdale). It runs an entire week and a lot of rich and famous people come into town for it. A lot of the manufacturers send out representatives as well.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:30 am

Anyone know what happened to the US A320 (I think) that was disabled on the north runway about 10:15am on 1/14?

Quoting 777stl (Reply 41):
It's going to be a great few weeks for spotting in PHX with the Super Bowl, BJ, and the Phoenix open.

Those of us traveling to/from PHX the next few weeks are dreading the lines. I moved my travel after the Pro-Bowl to Tucson just to escape some of the crowds in PHX...
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:07 am

Question for you expert travellers:
Is there any DIRECT flight now from PHX to central/east EU (D, AT, SK, HU, HR, SLO, CH.....)?
I did a quick search but I could find none , even from FRA and the likes.
In the worst case even LAS may do......
Thanks in advance to anyone that gives info.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 46):

Doesn't take an expert -- it just takes Wikipedia. LHR is all we've got direct outside of North/Central America/Hawaii.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 47):

You would think that in this subj. (where the information is noisy and very variable with time) I would trust more A.net than Wiki!  
Anyway the same Wiki reports that i.e. Condor flies there , seasonally, but it is not clear from where (it might be FRA) and when .
Just for the sake of clarity, I am searching for the next December / January 2016 approx, and I do not mind cheap stuff/charter/LCC. Also leaving from MXP, beside the other above mentioned countries would work very well.
The only requisite is direct, because it is for a Senior that would have problems connecting.

[Edited 2015-01-15 05:54:31]
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 12

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 45):

It was an inbound from DCA, not exactly sure what happened but they tugged it to A27.
I call the dusty desert my home. :)

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