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Quoting 675kts (Reply 189): The simple matter is we can only deal in factual information right now - sudden climb, loss of airspeed, sudden loss of altitude. |
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 202): The data as it was reported is a fact, it should be deemed accurate until it is proved otherwise. Saying, "well it could have been inaccurate" does not make the initial data any less factual as it's not someone's opinion. |
Quoting asetiadi (Reply 1): The position of the bodies that float with a chair and swayed arise drowning in the waves. |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 5): Something else: At the peak of the climb, there may have been considerable negative G-forces. How much can the plane sustain, and how much can the crew sustain without going unconscious? |
Quoting bestwestern (Reply 7): A search and rescue team from Russia arrived in Jakarta on Friday to help with the search for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501. |
Quoting Reuters: (Reuters) - France's crash investigation agency said its specialist black box search team and equipment would arrive early Friday at the search area for the AirAsia flight which crashed on Sunday en route from Indonesia to Singapore. France’s BEA crash investigation agency assists in the investigation of any air crash involving an Airbus (AIR.PA) aircraft because the company is France-based. |
Quoting AAIB: AAIB assisting in search for Air Asia QZ 8501 flight recorders – update An AAIB investigator has arrived in Singapore and has met with Singaporean air accident experts who are assisting the Indonesian investigation. This follows an offer of help by the UK government to Indonesian and Singaporean authorities which was accepted. |
Quoting anfromme (Reply 4): I disagree with that conclusion/hypothesis. Quite a few of the AF447 victims were also found still strapped to their seats and we know they did not die from drowning. Let's await autopsy results before jumping to conclusions. (And yeah, I know I should probably tell this to the people at detik.com, not you personally.) |
Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 9): Also French and British teams have been sent to help the with the search and investigation. |
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Quoting liquidair (Reply 13): How would the loss affect the CoG? |
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Quoting ukair (Reply 15): I dont get how such an experience pilot can fly into a storm when they have meteorological charts to look at before making the flight plan to see if they should take a different route than a straight line, maybe the charts were not good ones |
Quoting ukair (Reply 15): I dont get how such an experience pilot can fly into a storm |
Quoting liquidair (Reply 16): But if combined with a violent updraft? On the subject of the data from the transponders... Shouldn't it be fairly simple to calculate if the climb and descent rates correspond mathematically? |
Quoting ukair (Reply 15): I dont get how such an experience pilot can fly into a storm when they have meteorological charts to look at before making the flight plan to see if they should take a different route than a straight line, maybe the charts were not good ones |
Quoting anfromme (Reply 4): Quoting asetiadi (Reply 1): The position of the bodies that float with a chair and swayed arise drowning in the waves. I disagree with that conclusion/hypothesis. Quite a few of the AF447 victims were also found still strapped to their seats and we know they did not die from drowning. Let's await autopsy results before jumping to conclusions. (And yeah, I know I should probably tell this to the people at detik.com, not you personally.) |
Quoting ukair (Reply 15): A single A320-engine weighs approx. 2,4 tons (metric). Does not seem that significant to me, lets say 10% of the weight of the plane. |
Quoting Frostyj (Reply 17): Yeah he keeps saying evacuation which is confusing me. Did they actually perfrom an emergency evaucation?? |
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Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 19): I believe severe weather was ruled out more or less. |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 19): Yes, the math is quite easy. BUT how reliable is the data ? The investigation will check. |
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Quoting BruceSmith (Reply 22): The Indonesian Ministry of Transport just announced that they were suspending QZ's operating permit pending a thorough investigation into whether they violated the terms of their permit, possibly with internal Ministry of Transport collusion. |
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Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 23): I noticed all the cargo was in bay #3 near the wings. Any chance of a a sudden shift in CoG owing to a failure in the nets caused by heavy turbulence resulting in a loss of control? Similar to US 5481? |
Quoting heyjoojoo (Reply 28): So, to date, there have been no "pings" from the aircraft's ELT, ACARS, black box, radar since it's last radio transmission? |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 24): From Vasquez's weather report: "Conclusion: Based on the available data and a close correlation of thunderstorm activity at the last received location, it appears that weather was a factor, or was a compounding factor. The most likely hazard, if weather was a factor, appears to be icing. This is only an assessment of best available meteorological information, and is not a final determination on the cause of the incident." |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 14): if i read Pihero's explanation about weight distribution right, CoG would move backward leading to a nose up attitude. Since the wings certainly provide much more lift than the stabilizers |
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 32): Who said that? |
Quoting SimonDanger (Reply 33): So going along the lines of an icing incident affecting flight attitude data within the cockpit, would a dramatic pull-up attitude coupled with an equally dramatic up-draft "feel" exactly like a high-G dive recovery, assuming complete IFR conditions? |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): Ok, how many times ANEs (A.Net Experts) and their sidekicks putdown any poor soul "speculated" it could be weather related. I lost count. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): Probably plane never did those physically near impossible movements and SSR could have transmitted corrupt data. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): For all we know it could have lost all power and glided back sea surface. Any thing is possible. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): We cannot count in or out any factor at this point like ANEs trying to do on this thread. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): We cannot count in or out any factor at this point like ANEs trying to do on this thread. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): Ok, how many times ANEs (A.Net Experts) and their sidekicks putdown any poor soul "speculated" it could be weather related. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): We cannot count in or out any factor at this point like ANEs trying to do on this thread. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36): Probably plane never did those physically near impossible movements and SSR could have transmitted corrupt data. |
Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 41): I need to be convinced that Indonesian ATC even has ADS-B capability. |
Quoting michi (Reply 39): Writing here is sometimes difficult. To be understood is even more difficult |
Quoting michi (Reply 39): We have your so called ANEs correcting those wrong statements. This does not make the opposite true! The real world is more than black and white. It is quite complex actually. This complexity is somehow not understood by a lot of people. |
Quoting michi (Reply 39): Personally I do not rule out a weather related factor. But I don't give it much weight, as it is unlikely with the facts known so far. |
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 42): ADS-B has been a requirement in Indonesian airspace since December 12, 2013. 30 seconds on Google would have saved you looking silly. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 43): There are only four places in the world US, EU, Japan and India trying to implement ground networks as part of their NextGen AirNav. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 43): If ANEs are so confident about their position, publish final theory |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 43): f ANEs are so confident about their position, publish final theory, lets wait two years for DGCA/BEA final report, and you can brag "we told you so". |
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 42): 30 seconds on Google would have saved you looking silly. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 43): lets wait two years for DGCA/BEA final report |
Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 11): Water in the lungs would indicate drowning. |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 5): inertia. Gaining height by bleeding off speed. H=v²/2 recklessly ignoring drag. Coincidentally, the plane lost horizontal speed. |
Quoting rwessel (Reply 35): Normally the horizontal stabilizer will produce downforce, not lift. |