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Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:31 am

Someone mentioned in the Brand Sins thread that the new AA livery looks like a discount carrier which reminds me how the the"757 LuxuryJet" and "767 LuxuryLiner" type markings under the cheat lines between the front door and the cockpit window on the fuselage were quietly removed years ago. Every narrow-body was stamped LuxuryJet and every widebody LuxuryLiner. When did this happen, was it when AA declared bankruptcy? I loved the way it looked and it is sad they had to do that but let's face it no US airline today could get away with that anymore with what flying is like today. I am surprised there was no marketing campaign or press release to promote the official end of luxury  

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:46 am

The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title, what is USairways thinking ? To de "AA" the new American.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:51 am

It was 10+ years ago when AA decided to remove the decals as a cost saving measure.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:54 am

I prefer Astrojet myself.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:00 am

I think they started to remove them about the same time they dropped More Room Throughout Coach. Some fleets (I.e. The 777s) never got the titles however.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:01 am

LONGisland89 removing decals as a cost saving measure IMO sounds like the official story and approximately 10+ years ago is when flying started to deteriorate, so I think the real reason is it had to do with better managing expectations. Or I guess both could be true since cost savings and removing luxury go hand in hand, but I think it has more to do with the latter.

jfk777, while the premium cabins are nice I think having 10 abreast seating in coach when other airlines have 9 abreast does not coincide with luxury.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:05 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title, what is USairways thinking ?

10-abreast is an antithesis of luxury.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:06 am

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 5):
while the premium cabins are nice I think having 10 abreast seating in coach when other airlines have 9 abreast does not coincide with luxury.

9 abreast plus the rest of the soft product is hardly a luxury experience either.  

The front cabin on the newly refurbished 763s, F and J on the 773s, F on the 772s and the front cabin of the international 757s are more luxurious than anything that ever flew during the days when AA had the LuxuryLiner and LuxuryJet stickers.
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 5):
jfk777, while the premium cabins are nice I think having 10 abreast seating in coach when other airlines have 9 abreast does not coincide with luxury.

No Y class products have any connection with the word "luxury" and certainly not a 10-abreast 777.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:15 am

AA started removing the " DC-10Luxury Liner" decals after the DC-10 crash in Chicago.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:15 am

AA first removed the aircraft type from some after ... uh... bad publicity. Specifically, "DC-10 Luxury Liner". DC-anything got a bad rap, but they still refer to the MD-80 as the "Super 80" [coming from the manufacturer's original DC-9 Super 80 moniker], so those aircraft continued to carry that title. But the 727/757/766 numbers went away.

The 737-100/200/300 and BAe-146s from AirCal back in 1987 never received the "Luxury" or equipment titles, and it doesn't appear the AA 738s ever did either.
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:23 am

N62NA I actually disagree. While it may seem dated today I think AA's leather and lambswool first and business class seating was very luxurious and very comfortable, and obviously those materials are more expensive than cloth. While that was before lie flat seating was the standard, that and the IFE is the only thing I think today that is superior, but the lie flat configurations today are coming at the expense of seat pitch, Singapore being an exception. Large tables besides skinny first class and business class seats are merely the top of contraptions the passenger behind you is extending their legs as they lie flat by eliminating space between rows, but at least it allows for a good night's sleep and losing fewer net seats.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:28 am

Wingtips56 was that temporary? If so I am sure it was to not advertise you were flying on a DC10 rather than a Luxury Liner so they just removed the whole thing. The 767 and subsequent aircraft came after that with that marking and I thought the DC10 had it on their in the late 80s and 90s.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:33 am

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 12):

AFC, you are correct. AA just removed the "DC-10 Luxury Liner" decals after the ORD crash.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:36 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 13):
AFC, you are correct. AA just removed the "DC-10 Luxury Liner" decals after the ORD crash.

I thought that the DC-10 Luxury Liner titles were changed to "American Airlines Luxury Liner."

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:47 am

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 12):
Wingtips56 was that temporary?

Permanent, at least with the DC-10. They peeled those numbers off immediately, leaving just "Luxury Liner" for the duration in service.. I -think- the MD11 did get so titled, but I won't swear to it.
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:52 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title, what is USairways thinking ? To de "AA" the new American.

10 abreast in Y in a 777 is luxury? On what planet?  
Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 5):
jfk777, while the premium cabins are nice I think having 10 abreast seating in coach when other airlines have 9 abreast does not coincide with luxury.

  

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title, what is USairways thinking ?

10-abreast is an antithesis of luxury.

  

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
No Y class products have any connection with the word "luxury" and certainly not a 10-abreast 777.

  
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 14):

You are correct. They removed the DC-10 tag leaving just American Airlines Luxury Liner before eventually removing all the decals. Most people would agree that there is no luxury in air travel anymore.  
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 13):
Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 12):


AFC, you are correct. AA just removed the "DC-10 Luxury Liner" decals after the ORD crash.

That's not correct. They didn't remove "Luxury Liner". They only replaced "DC-10" with "American Airlines" and it then read "American Airlines Luxury Liner". There are a few hundred A.net photos. Two examples from the 1980s:


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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:04 am

I would expect AA to take the new A321 stickers off the fleet if that aircraft type has some ... unfortunate publicity too. The A320 is certainly getting some bad press this week.
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 19):
I would expect AA to take the new A321 stickers off the fleet if that aircraft type has some ... unfortunate publicity too. The A320 is certainly getting some bad press this week.

Disagree. There are over 6,000 A320 family aircraft in service. Three 777s have been lost in fatal events in the past year and a half. How many 777 operators have removed the 777 identification from their fleets? None that I'm aware of.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):

Um, did you read all of my post? That's what I said.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 21):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):


Um, did you read all of my post? That's what I said.

Sorry, I was only looking at Reply 18 which didn't quote your entire reply. I hadn't seen your reply 17 until now.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):

No problem my friend. Glad that we agree!
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Disagree. There are over 6,000 A320 family aircraft in service. Three 777s have been lost in fatal events in the past year and a half. How many 777 operators have removed the 777 identification from their fleets? None that I'm aware of.

I accept that. I'm just thinking from AA's history in particular, not Industry in general. They've shied away before (granted the first of 3 DC-10 disasters was theirs), including allowing people to rebook anything after the Eagle AT7 went down at Roselawn, even offering Transportation Vouchers to those rebooking, or nervously toughing it out, staying with the AT7.

I think it's a difference, perhaps, with the 777-specifically not really getting the blame for those events (certainly not OZ/SFO or MH17). Whereas certainly the DC-10 but also A330 (AF447) and A320 (QZ8501) have had more allusion to the aircraft being at fault in the press maelstrom, with facts following long after sensationalized stories faded from the news.

Anyway, back to topic, I can accept some of the more objective postings here that the term Luxury Liner/Luxury Jet may just no longer be relevant today, as (1) the novelty and supposed "glamour" of air travel in the 50's and 60's, when these titles came into being, is no longer limited to the rich and famous, and (2), "Luxury" doesn't really apply to the reality that is Coach/Economy in travel today, largely because people want it cheap but lavish. "Luxury" does create an expectation that is no longer timely. Steak and lobster in coach at today's coach fares (adjusted for inflation, yadda yadda) isn't what non-state-owned carriers can offer if they want to stay in business, nevermind make a profit.

The front cabins can still be considered luxurious (the average DC-7, 707 and DC8 never had full-flat sleeper seats, for example), so should the aircraft have lines drawn on the outside of the fuselage, with titles delineating "Luxury / Nice / Cheap" according to position? (Hmmm... there's an idea for NK.)
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:49 am

I believe the "LuxuryLiner/LuxuryJet" titles began to be removed in 1999 when AA got their 777s and 738s because they felt they were not regarded as a "Luxury" airline anymore. It took a while for them to fully be removed and there are photos in the database from a few years later with planes that were still carrying the titles. If you look closely on some of the AA planes you can still see the outlines of the stickers.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:23 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 24):
The front cabins can still be considered luxurious (the average DC-7, 707 and DC8 never had full-flat sleeper seats, for example),

Some of the propeller types used on longhaul routes had berths that folded down from the ceiling and were probably better than today's flat bed seats. They normally required a fairly small surcharge over the first class fare. A few of the early jets also had them but they were rare (Panagra DC-8s come to mind).
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:46 am

I don't get the 'Luxury Liner' moniker that they assigned to these airplanes. They were nearly the exact same configuration as other airlines with recliner seats and etc...When I saw "luxury" I thought they had those piano bars and lounges as on the ancient 741s, however, it just turned out the DC-10s and 752s had normal interiors.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title, what is USairways thinking ? To de "AA" the new American.
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 10):
but they still refer to the MD-80 as the "Super 80" [coming from the manufacturer's original DC-9 Super 80 moniker], so those aircraft continued to carry that title. But the 727/757/766 numbers went away.

"DeAAing" the new American is the best thing any competent management team could do. Before the merger, none of the domestic fleet had AVOD, they were flying around old and tatty airplanes with Airfones, the international fleet had AVOD that looked like it came from the 1990s, etc.....Yes people herald the "Old AA" but the fact was that they went bankrupt in 2011 because the management team was stuck in the good old days. It wasn't "Horton Hears a Who in DFW", it was "Horton Hears a Bankruptcy filing" and Doug Parker is doing what he needs to do to make the new AA into a profitable corporation. People downplay him and refer to him as "Dougie" but at least US wasn't completely out of money because the management was stuck in the 1980s way of doing things like calling MD-80s "Super 80s" etc. in 2011.

If you fly Delta domestic first, then United domestic first, then US Airways domestic first, and then finally AA domestic first you'll notice AA is sort of "unique" and eccentric in their methods but this isn't necessarily a good thing. Case in point "Super 80"--I rode on one of these old girls back in November and when I boarded the aircraft it was as if I stepped back into the 1980s. I couldn't believe I was flying on such an aircraft with such an elderly interior. But AA can't let go of S80 and refer to it the proper way like Delta: MD-88, MD-90, 717-200 not "Super 80", "DC-10 Luxury Liner" etc. I find it quite good that AA is finally letting old trends die hard and removing decals stating domestically configured aircraft are "LuxuryLiners" is a step in the right direction for me. Speaking in the most broadest terms outside of the airline industry it is great that our society is rapidly abandoning old, inefficient, and outdated methods of living. Yes, this is the smart phone, Facebook, Instagram, Kim Kardashian age, spearheaded by my generation of "millenials" and it isn't going away any time soon, so get used to it.. Contrary to what "older folks" think, not everything was done the way it was in the 1970s for the last 2015 years.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:53 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 27):
Speaking in the most broadest terms outside of the airline industry it is great that our society is rapidly abandoning old, inefficient, and outdated methods of living.

Like newspapers, bookstores and turntables/LP records. Oh wait, scratch that last one......
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 27):
.When I saw "luxury" I thought they had those piano bars and lounges as on the ancient 741s, however, it just turned out the DC-10s and 752s had normal interiors.

Back in the day, AA's DC10's had a lounge in the DC10 too. Like the 747 lounge, it didn't last long when AA realized how many seats they could stuff in that area.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:15 pm

I remember back in the prop days American named their planes flagship's after cities they served. The flagship titles disappeared with the Electra or maybe the 707.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:24 pm

Have you flown AA lately?? I think "jet" might be a stretch, much less putting "luxury" anywhere that's associated with AA.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:32 pm

The Flagship Designation lasted until the new paint scheme in 1964 which began with the 727 deliveries. They dropped the city/state names, they became 707 Astrojet, 727 Astrojet, ect.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:56 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 14):
thought that the DC-10 Luxury Liner titles were changed to "American Airlines Luxury Liner."
Quoting LPDAL (Reply 27):
I don't get the 'Luxury Liner' moniker that they assigned to these airplanes

When the interiors were changed from blue to the reddish/orange on the 707 and 727 they redid all the interiors to have the "widebody" look. They put "707 Luxury Jet" but did not put anything on the 727's. They were indeed luxurious in F/C. Seats extremely wide, lounge at the front. It was a beautiful interior . The DC-10's and 747's were Luxury Liners and if anyone has any pictures of the interiors that would be great. My memory fades but I really enjoyed working F/C on the DC-10. Extremely wide aisles. They did not have the orange/red like on the 707, but rather a variety of red white and blue. Yes, the DC10 was removed after ORD in 1979. They continued using the phrase for awhile, but I believe they removed them for two reasons: 1) Air travel changed, AA's reputation began a slow decline, and they could really no longer be called luxurious. I think also all the other airlines began removing things like "Friendship", "Star Stream Jet" etc. 2) Just something less to have to maintain as paint faded. A third would be that they changed as advertising campaigns changed.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting AFCJETS (Thread starter):

What was luxurious about them exactly? Companies have such hubris!
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:02 pm

For whatever reason, the 738s and the 772s were never delivered with Luxury Jet or Luxury Liner decals. The rest of the mainline fleet had stickers. IIRC, the decals were removed post 9/11, as AA and every other airline was trying to cut costs. I'm not sure how much a set of decals weighed, but even 5 pounds over the course of a year saves jet fuel.

I seem to recall that AA said that in the post 9/11 world, their aircraft weren't as luxurious as they were back in the days of regulation, when the term Astro Jet was replace with Luxury Jet, when the lightning bolt livery was replaced.

I have an old AA system map, showing that the new 727-100s had 22 seats in First and 66 seats in Coach, for a total of 88 seats. When the 727-100s were retired in the early 1990s, First had 12 seats, and Coach had 113 seats, for a total of 125 seats.

So, even in the 1990s, before the Bistro Bag strated to replace on-board meals, luxury was disappearing.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:36 pm

Here you go Ozark1, the DC10 pic is from this site and is said to be from 1976 and the 747 pic is from flickr and claims to be 1978. These aircraft I believe had the exact same seat covers and were delivered this way. Does anyone know when AA switched to the baby blue and beige coach interiors and beige/tan leather first class seats? I saw a commercial on youtube from 1981 with the orange/red 727 or 707 interior and there is a DC10 pic on here from 1984 with the beige and baby blue seats, which means it happened somewhere in between. And does anyone know exactly when AA first class seats changed from tan/beige to taupe. When I flew in Jan88 (DC10) they were beige and in Jan90 (both on 762 and DC10) they were taupe. And sometime in the 1990s they got rid of the beige seats in coach and all became baby blue as the primary background color. Or did they A300s come delivered this way from the start and it was a gradual fleetwide change?

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:16 pm

G'day

Quoting AFCJETS (Thread starter):
the"757 LuxuryJet" and "767 LuxuryLiner" type markings

reminds me of the good old days of Eastern Airlines "Whisperjets" and "Whisperliners", I flew them a lot and it was my favourite airline when I lived in Charlotte, NC at the time


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You could clearly hear those things when they were taking off, so the definition of a "whisper" is all relative, or better a marketing gimmick. Same applies for the American Airlines "Luxury" Thingie  

Who was first with this anyway, EA or AA?


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Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:38 pm

I think Eastern because they called the 727 a Whisperjet from the beginning back in the mid sixties when American still had Astrojets, or at least before the 1968 redesign, I am guessing LuxuryLiner came first with the 747 or DC10 and LuxuryJet for narrowbodies came later. With Eastern, it was the exact opposite as the L1011 Whisperliner was launched in 1972, long after the Whisperjet.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:26 pm

Oh wait Heavierthanair, I guess I should say AA started it then. While EA Whisperjets preceeded LuxuryJets and LuxuryLiners at AA, American Astrojets preceded Eastern Whisperjets, so American gets credit for first naming their jets a generic name using Jets in the title.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:55 pm

The term WhisperJet came from the fact that the engines were rear mounted. You had 727 WhisperJets and DC-9 WhisperJets, but no DC-8 or B720 WhisperJets. The idea behind the campaign was that the interiors of the plane were so quiet you could hear a whisper while flying. They forgot to mention what it sounded like in the back by the engines.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:04 pm

With LuxuryLiner and LuxuryJet idea in mind, do you think new AA could survive with only let's say 8 abreast in Coach and make itself a luxury branded airline represents PREMIUM travel?
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:29 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 14):
I thought that the DC-10 Luxury Liner titles were changed to "American Airlines Luxury Liner."

That's exactly what happened. The other type id's remained.
 
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 36):
Here you go Ozark1, the DC10 pic is from this site and is said to be from 1976 and the 747 pic is from flickr and claims to be 1978

Thank you for the link! Isn't it amazing that we had no center overhead bins back then?! Don't know how we did it!  
 
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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:40 pm

Pasu129 it is not likely the world's largest airline would rebrand to become an all luxury airline to the point of removing coach seats on every row and make the whole cabin premium coach, especially considering the current economic state of America today. They already have a small 8 abreast premium coach cabin on the 77W where coach is 10 abreast. I do think there is a market though today for exactly the type of airline you describe even within the domestic US, at least for certain markets.

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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 45):

Agreed, but so far only the ME3 (a few European carrier think LH and SR and Asian airlines think CX & SQ) is giving the world a taste of luxury with premium F class travel, which does not fit to everyone's taste on luxury (no offense but EK's first is hideous to me). Maybe the world's largest airline could sample that?
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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6):
10-abreast is an antithesis of luxury.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
No Y class products have any connection with the word "luxury" and certainly not a 10-abreast 777.

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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 777-300ER fleet definitely deserves the Luxuryliner title

Have you flown in Y on their 777-300ERs?!               
I'm an avid fan of the 777 and try and plan my flights to get one. Even so, I would not want to repeat my DFW-LHR flight.
10 abreast is not fun. The AVOD only makes it bearable for so long.
BA's Y class on their 777s is far more comfortable at 9 abreast with comparable AVOD.
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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:40 pm

I always snicker on AA international flights when the crew announces they will serve the "International Flagship" meal service. Apparently "flagship" means mushy beef goulash or dry chicken, followed several hours later by a snack box that gets tinier and tinier every year. Even the J meals are basically the itty-bitty four-ounce steaks you got in Y fifteen years ago. All served by geriatric crews who look like they just rolled out of bed and are dying to get back to their jumpseats to resume their Sudoku.

The "Luxury-" designator appeared in 1972 when the DC10 was introduced. Before that, everything was an Astrojet, and the 747 was the Astroliner. The 707s and 727s were branded "LuxuryJets" as they were refitted with the widebody interiors in 1972-1973... those were quite groundbreaking at the time
 
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RE: American Removes LuxuryLiners And LuxuryJets

Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:08 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 27):
I don't get the 'Luxury Liner' moniker that they assigned to these airplanes. They were nearly the exact same configuration as other airlines with recliner seats and etc...When I saw "luxury" I thought they had those piano bars and lounges as on the ancient 741s,

Way back when, when the original 747's weren't so "ancient" they did have bars, etc. But then that was before....oh, whatever.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 27):
but at least US wasn't completely out of money because the management was stuck in the 1980s way of doing things like calling MD-80s "Super 80s" etc. in 2011.

As was pointed out earlier, this came from the manufacturer, not AA. At the time, the MD-80 was a big step forward...significant engine upgrade from DC-9-50's/etc., and stretched fuselage that made it competitive with the 727-200, but with two engines (quieter and more fuel efficient, too), and two pilots, a significant economic improvement.

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