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Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:33 am

QF7 made a left turn off Mexico today and stopped at LAX.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...7/history/20150102/0425Z/YSSY/KDFW
I know we avoid diversion threads, but in this case, I am curious as to whether the long distance of the flight combined with the southern hemisphere summer had resulted in a fuel stop, or if it was medical.
I missed it flying over me in PHX by about 10 minutes. Looked at FR24 a little late!
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:07 am

Weather in DFW apparently
https://twitter.com/Qantas/status/551182586555269120
 
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting 4holer (Thread starter):
I know we avoid diversion threads, but in this case, I am curious as to whether the long distance of the flight combined with the southern hemisphere summer had resulted in a fuel stop, or if it was medical.
I missed it flying over me in PHX by about 10 minutes. Looked at FR24 a little late!

We do avoid diversion threads, but A.net loves a good chance to bag out QF for not ordering 77L to fly SYD-DFW  

On a serious note, doubtful it was fuel, they would've known well in advance and gone straight to LA + its normally the return leg that has the issue, not east bound.
 
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
Weather in DFW apparently
https://twitter.com/Qantas/status/551182586555269120

On flights like these where you are up against tankage and structural MTOW due to a flight that is close to the max range of the aircraft, you often to trade fuel for payload. When the weather is bad and requires more fuel, you often need to decide upon an enroute landing or bumping revenue payload. Enroute landings can help take everyone and allow for more fuel to be uploaded at an intermediate point where MTOW/tankage will be less of an issue.

I dont know know what Qantas requires for alternate weather minimums. Most of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the southern US have been under low ceilings and visibility with occasional thunderstorms the past several days. If the weather required at closer alternates was not legal or marginal, Qantas may have opted for a fuel stop to take on a more distant alternate. Many American carriers were carrying ELP/MCI/OMA alternates for DFW today. If Qantas was unable to do that due to tankage and they had no other legal or viable choices closer then it can easily cause an enroute landing.

Alternatively, if enroute the destination or alternate weather had deteriorated then an enroute landing may have become necessary to take on more fuel.

[Edited 2015-01-03 06:52:51]
 
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:06 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
Weather in DFW apparently

There were thunderstorms popping up stubbornly around DFW for many hours yesterday. I love a good Texas thunderstorm, especially in January...as long as I'm on the ground.
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:47 pm

That flight path and sharp turn looked unplanned.
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:59 am

It doesn't seem planned. I don't think you'd see pre-flight planning for a stop at LAX for a flight like this given it's duration and ultimately unpredictable weather we have here in the southern US, nnless there were headwinds aloft that you knew of in advance of departure. (This also isn't probable given it was an eastbound flight.) Looks like the weather went south in the DFW area about 1 hour prior to crossing into the Mexican border, and they opted for LAX. (If this was indeed due to weather and not a medical diversion). At this point in the flight, LAX really makes more sense for QF than any other diversion airport on this route.
 
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:49 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 3):
Enroute landings can help take everyone and allow for more fuel to be uploaded at an intermediate point where MTOW/tankage will be less of an issue.

Sure, but it kills the connections - let's not try to argue that an A380 was full of people with Dallas as destination.
 
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:40 am

Better to divert to LAX where a replacement crew could be mustered so the flight could continue from LAX to DFW with minimal delay. Diverting anywhere else would have trapped the flight for 12+ hours once the flight cleared customs.
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RE: Qantas 007 Diverted To LAX. Fuel Or Medical?

Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 7):
Sure, but it kills the connections - let's not try to argue that an A380 was full of people with Dallas as destination.

Every airline has a metric that looks at connections that may be missed versus the cost of denied boardings to run the flight nonstop. At some point for every flight, it becomes more economical to stop a flight enroute then it is to bump revenue payload.

Also as I mentioned, these flights that are close to the max aircraft range make it hard to carry a distant alternate and extra holding fuel. Thus if the weather at the destination or planned alternate deteriorates enroute, it may become prudent to divert and pick up more fuel. If your planned alternate is a local alternate that isnt really suited for a diversion but works for economics or weight and balance, it can become an operational and customer service nightmare should a diversion occur there. Better to divert when you can to an airport you regularly serve.

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