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New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:34 am

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Curious about the crewing of the ZQN flights. Do they position crew to/from ZQN the same day?

Depending on the rotation, they do things such as overnight crew in SYD/MEL e.g the last flight from AKL into SYD/MEL stay the Night, then in the morning operate MEL-ZQN-MEL etc. Some services will operate the likes of AKL/WLG/CHC-MEL/SYD-ZQN-MEL/SYD-AKL/SYD/MEL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 1):
Some services will operate the likes of AKL/WLG/CHC-MEL/SYD-ZQN-MEL/SYD-AKL/SYD/MEL.

Think you mean ZQN-MEL/SYD-AKL/WLG/CHC. These are the ones I'm interested in. Obviously can't be the same crew from about 0630 to about 2359.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:28 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 2):
Think you mean ZQN-MEL/SYD-AKL/WLG/CHC. These are the ones I'm interested in. Obviously can't be the same crew from about 0630 to about 2359.

Most days of the week NZ has an A320 from AKL that overnights in MEL/SYD. Which allows them to operate the likes of MEL-ZQN-MEL & SYD-ZQN-SYD and SYD-NLK-SYD on certain days of the week.

They are very creative with the way they run the Tasman Flights, recently I saw this happen.

CHC-MEL-AKL
WLG-MEL-CHC
AKL(Overnight)-ZQN-MEL

I know JQ use to run flights like AKL-ZQN-MEL-AKL all on an single duty!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:44 am

With the huge growth in International flights and pax numbers, maybe it could make sense to have an A320 crew base established in ZQN in a couple of years...

Not sure if it has been mentioned but have noticed NZ is returning the 767 to AKL-CNS on 2x of the weekly services between June-October. AFAIK it has been at least a few years since the 767s have regularly been on the CNS route.
Interesting, in that CNS has had a big decline in International passenger numbers and flights over the past few years.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:17 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 4):


With the huge growth in International flights and pax numbers, maybe it could make sense to have an A320 crew base established in ZQN in a couple of years...

The main limiting factor about opening an ZQN crew base, would be aircraft utilization and airport curfew.

Typically NZ likes to get 4x 2-5hour sectors an day out of there current a320 rotations, if they opened an ZQN crew base and started/ended the rotations in ZQN it would mean they could only get 2 sectors a day per aircraft. With ZQN current operating hours (even though they have been extended in summer) are still to short to allow the same A320 to make two return trips ex ZQN.

We're as if they slot it in between AKL/WLG/CHC-BNE/SYD/MEL flights they can operate the likes of AKL-SYD-ZQN-MEL-AKL etc
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:41 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 5):

Air NZ are doing something different on Fridays.
AKL-ZQN 0630/0820, ZQN-SYD 0920/1040, SYD-ZQN 1140/1640, ZQN-AKL 1740/1930. Understood this was a trial and had something to do with avoiding mid afternoon congestion at ZQN. JQ have used this sort of schedule for a while.

Got all excited a couple of months ago when I found a Monday AT7 CHC-ZQN 1920/2030 eff. 06 July, but that's been changed to eff. 09 Nov. (sunset at 2043)

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:33 am

Air NZ also overnight quite a few crew in ZQN also to operate international flights the next day .
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:34 am

Quotes from the previous thread

Quoting UncleKoru: I believe exemptions are/have been granted in the past to operators (mainly turbo prop air ambulance).
Both the Westpac Rescue and Life Flight fixed wing have 24/7 operations authority. All emergency services aircraft can land at WLG after hours due to the nature of their work - even without patients

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 197):
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 173):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 163):
Qantas and EK are both fantastic, especially in Y. The food, the service

TBH I've always found EK's service to be pretty average. Nowhere near the standard of QF or NZ. Though it is nice that EK have a hot towel service.

Fair enough, although I have found the opposite to be true. I was appalled by the standard of service and the quality of the meals on my last long haul NZ flights in Y. They have fallen a long way in a fairly short period of time if that experience is anywhere near their benchmark standards. Comparable trips on EK have been worlds apart, and as you mentioned, QF are even better.

Completely agree. NZ's product has become increasingly gimmick focused (hobbits, jokey safety videos, skycouches) while things that *actually* contribute to inflight well being (seat pitch and width, food quality, aircraft cleanliness, lounge quality) have been progressively and unashamedly diminished.

I know several non aviation people who think NZs long haul aircraft service on the Tasman is better then QF/EK - especially in J

Quoting 777ER (Reply 178):
Gone will be the days of the most friendly passenger terminal in New Zealand in terms of allowing non passengers to spend as much time with their loved one/friends as possible before boarding the flight or waiting at the gate for them to disembark. Now WLG will become just a common airport shortly


Won't non-travelling pax still be able to pass through security?

The sole security check point will be just past Wish Bone. All NZ flights including Link services will be AVSEC screened.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:19 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
The sole security check point will be just past Wish Bone. All NZ flights including Link services will be AVSEC screened.

I though they we're moving the ATR gates down to the regional area, so that they didn't get screen. Has those plans now change?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 197):
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 173):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 163):
Qantas and EK are both fantastic, especially in Y. The food, the service

TBH I've always found EK's service to be pretty average. Nowhere near the standard of QF or NZ. Though it is nice that EK have a hot towel service.

Fair enough, although I have found the opposite to be true. I was appalled by the standard of service and the quality of the meals on my last long haul NZ flights in Y. They have fallen a long way in a fairly short period of time if that experience is anywhere near their benchmark standards. Comparable trips on EK have been worlds apart, and as you mentioned, QF are even better.

Completely agree. NZ's product has become increasingly gimmick focused (hobbits, jokey safety videos, skycouches) while things that *actually* contribute to inflight well being (seat pitch and width, food quality, aircraft cleanliness, lounge quality) have been progressively and unashamedly diminished.
I know several non aviation people who think NZs long haul aircraft service on the Tasman is better then QF/EK - especially in J

J is different, I still rate NZ there, I like the herringbone layout and the crew are generally very good. Not that there hasen't been a few very noticeable cut backs and other service "enhancements" Unfortunately it's not a product I get to use that often anymore, unlike the EK one, which I rate behind NZ.

I'm sure there are people that still rate NZ over EK/QF in economy, just like some people enjoy Speights.  

Aerokiwi - agree, I like SQ a lot, but I find there pricing expensive in Y.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Quotes from the previous thread

Quoting UncleKoru: I believe exemptions are/have been granted in the past to operators (mainly turbo prop air ambulance).
Both the Westpac Rescue and Life Flight fixed wing have 24/7 operations authority. All emergency services aircraft can land at WLG after hours due to the nature of their work - even without patients

And Soundsair too? I think they may have (had) an exemption for their night freight on the WLG-CHC run? Not sure if this is still current.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
The sole security check point will be just past Wish Bone. All NZ flights including Link services will be AVSEC screened.

But, assuming all arriving Link flights will arrive into the secure zone too, couldn't someone arrive in WLG on a link flight from a port that is not screened, then hand 'something' to someone departing on a mainline flight? Otherwise, it would be a bit of a logistical nightmare having all the link arrivals funnelled back towards the food court in their own dedicated arrival corridor.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:58 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 11):

I'm not 100% sure how its working, all I know is that the main security point will be just past Wish Bone
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Won't non-travelling pax still be able to pass through security?
The sole security check point will be just past Wish Bone. All NZ flights including Link services will be AVSEC screened.

I don't think anyone in the AKL domestic terminal has ever asked to see my boarding pass at security. Therefore couldn't anyone accompany me to the gate? Will it be the same at WLG?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
J is different, I still rate NZ there, I like the herringbone layout and the crew are generally very good.

Yes, the crew are generally very good, but I find the herringbone layout lacks privacy. I'm over it. Also, true to form NZ have cramped up J as much as they can too. If you don't believe me, take Air Canada as a comparison. This is not an airline known for pampering its passengers with unnecessary frills. Their 77W has 24 seats in a herringbone layout in the forward cabin. NZ's has 28.

[Edited 2015-01-05 17:22:55]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
The sole security check point will be just past Wish Bone. All NZ flights including Link services will be AVSEC screened.

When is this happening? Gate 18/19 still won't have screening though
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:08 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
I'm not 100% sure how its working, all I know is that the main security point will be just past Wish Bone

Aren't they extending the terminal out to the South? towards we're the current Rental car-parking is?, to create an departures area for the Regional services as-well?

WIAL doesn't seem to be make it very essay to get hold of its development plans, seems to like keeping it to them self.

I get the feeling that in the 20-30 years that WLG is going to need to be replaced to an new location, its becoming very boxed in as such, will little space to grow. Maybe developing PPQ in an full size airport, with an rail link would be an better option.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:54 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
I get the feeling that in the 20-30 years that WLG is going to need to be replaced to an new location, its becoming very boxed in as such, will little space to grow. Maybe developing PPQ in an full size airport, with an rail link would be an better option.

PPQ is stuck in the middle of town though, as it is even the Dash has restrictions out of there..
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:43 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
WIAL doesn't seem to be make it very essay to get hold of its development plans, seems to like keeping it to them self.

https://www.wellingtonairport.co.nz/documents/Wellington-Airport-Masterplan-January-2010.pdf
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:33 am

Quoting aklrno (Reply 13):

I've never been asked for my boarding pass here, but if AVSEC has reasons to believe, they will ask

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
Maybe developing PPQ in an full size airport, with an rail link would be an better option.

PPQ will never become the main Wellington airport now that the previous owner sold all the land to the South of the airport and the land where the current New World/Mitre 10 Mega is to the East of the airport. The runway can easily handle Q300/ATRs but never B737/A320 aircraft due to the runway/tarmac weight limits and runway length.

Quoting gasman (Reply 18):

Going by the plans in the link for what the airport will look like by the end of this year, even if the smaller regional aircraft passengers aren't screened, the bigger regional aircraft passengers will need to be screened since some regional flights will be located where all the B737/A320s will be located in the current area and in the new extension being built southwards. Unless WIAL build a covered linkway like what AKL and CHC has from the regional gates over towards the jet area
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:56 am

Air China's new AKL service will launch on November 25th with a daily A330. CA739/40

Air China Announced 2015 New International Routes (by justinlee Jan 5 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:00 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Going by the plans in the link for what the airport will look like by the end of this year, even if the smaller regional aircraft passengers aren't screened, the bigger regional aircraft passengers will need to be screened since some regional flights will be located where all the B737/A320s will be located in the current area and in the new extension being built southwards. Unless WIAL build a covered linkway like what AKL and CHC has from the regional gates over towards the jet area

If going by page 45 in the link, looks like 2015 mainly is only an small re-config, with prop on one side & jets on the other. This would allow them to create an non screen pathway for Regional. Although this document dates back to 2010, so plenty could of changed by then.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 11):
But, assuming all arriving Link flights will arrive into the secure zone too, couldn't someone arrive in WLG on a link flight from a port that is not screened, then hand 'something' to someone departing on a mainline flight? Otherwise, it would be a bit of a logistical nightmare having all the link arrivals funnelled back towards the food court in their own dedicated arrival corridor.

AKL has that problem as well when the B1900 parks west of the airbridge gates (gate 25?) that passengers from somewhere unscreened are entering into a screened area, and if they chose to could go up the stairs to the gate area.
So I guess it's not without precedent in NZ.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting axio (Reply 22):

AKL has that problem as well when the B1900 parks west of the airbridge gates (gate 25?) that passengers from somewhere unscreened are entering into a screened area, and if they chose to could go up the stairs to the gate area.
So I guess it's not without precedent in NZ.

It's pretty rear for an B1900 to park outside of the regional gates at AKL though?

Hopefully Wellington learns from Sydneys mistake, we're arriving regional passengers have to be screened before they can enter the terminal to reach the exit.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:38 am

Anyone know if NZ's planning to do any IFE upgrades to the Intentional A320s, before the NEO's enter service? Had a couple of A320 flights recently, we're the system is starting to become very slow & dated.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:53 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 21):

Yes but all the new regional gates in the 2015 plan are at the end of the extended jet area, so hopefully as I said in an earlier post, WIAL puts in a covered walkway from the regional departure lounge like what AKL and CHC has. Had a talk with a WIAL person with knowledge of the expansion and current plans will have AVSEC screening just past the regional gate entrance where the current coffee kiosk is. Plans have been put in place to move the new screening area further towards the main terminal in case in the future a law change requires all flights to be screened. WLG is basically better prepared for this compared to AKL and CHC due to where the NZ Link gates are in relation to the jet concourse. The only area that would require a new security screening area if a law change happens is the gate beside Wish Bone.


Also received a hint about a possible new international route being announced soon. Hints were leaning towards the Pacific Islands
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:59 am

Possible new QF lounge at AKL http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-...land-for-new-international-lounges

Why not have a combined EK/QF/One World lounge at AKL?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:46 pm

"Air New Zealand Plans 787-9 Tokyo Service from late-August 2015"

Planned daily 787-9 operation, instead of existing 767-300ER/787-9 mix, will begin on 21AUG15 (AKL departure)

http://airlineroute.net/2015/01/07/nz-nrt-aug15/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 26):
Possible new QF lounge at AKL http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-...land-for-new-international-lounges

Why not have a combined EK/QF/One World lounge at AKL?

Wouldn't of though Qantas still needed an AKL Lounge, surely they could of just used the current EK Lounge next door as its massive.

Maybe they are planning to lease the space that is currently the NZ lounge, once they move out in mid 2015
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
Also received a hint about a possible new international route being announced soon. Hints were leaning towards the Pacific Islands

I think it was announced in Dec that FJ would be flying 2/week WLG-NAN from end of June.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11374378

Do you think that was the route that was going to be announced? Looks like a few good wins for WLG recently with JQ OOL/MEL and FJ NAN.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:08 pm

Could the 789 do WLG-LAX?

I'd like to see more long haul routes out of WLG. As the political capital, a reasonable amount of the current AKL-LAX/SFO traffic must originate out of Wellington.

NAN makes a certain amount of sense, but is there the market to sustain it? Yes, south of the Bombay Hills people are not spoiled for choice when it comes to non-stop winter getaways. For other than actual Wellington residents though........ there would be no advantage of going to NAN from WLG as opposed to AKL.

As an aside, at the age of 7 I flew NAN-WLG in 1974 on a DC-8.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:39 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 30):
I'd like to see more long haul routes out of WLG. As the political capital, a reasonable amount of the current AKL-LAX/SFO traffic must originate out of Wellington.

I've said it before, does offering a service like that ex WLG grow your market or simply cannibalize from existing flights? The attempt at CHC-LAX a few years ago proved it was the latter. On the days it ran, AKL flights simply operated with fewer passengers.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 31):
I've said it before, does offering a service like that ex WLG grow your market or simply cannibalize from existing flights? The attempt at CHC-LAX a few years ago proved it was the latter. On the days it ran, AKL flights simply operated with fewer passengers.

Well, there would be an element of "if you build it they will come", but not a great one I suspect. Initially at least, it would simply cannibalize passengers out of AKL, and you'd therefore reduce capacity out of AKL to compensate. But I would suspect that there are enough passengers currently flying out of AKL that would be as happy (or happier) with a service out of WLG.

In terms of the CHC service............. that made no sense for anyone in the North island. No Wellingtonian would want to fly south to CHC to connect to a LAX flight that is an hour longer that it would be out of AKL. But for CHC residents there wouldn't be much difference between a service operating out of WLG or AKL, and of course for some Wellington residents it'd be a dream come true.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 31):

I've said it before, does offering a service like that ex WLG grow your market or simply cannibalize from existing flights? The attempt at CHC-LAX a few years ago proved it was the latter. On the days it ran, AKL flights simply operated with fewer passengers.

Depends on whether you believe capacity between the US and NZ is constraining the market leading to higher fares. I suspect the market is a lot different now than it was back when CHC-LAX operated (less competition)?

- Clearly competition brought about by HA on AKL-HNL has grown the market rather than cannibalized
- Current US market is dictated by Air NZ's fleet aquisition and deployment
- Foreigners have a tendancy to use their local airlines - new capacity by a foreign carrier is a much different proposition from a local carrier
- Imagine when the NZD settles down to to more reasonable levels how more attractive NZ will be to US visitors
- Capacity to poorly connected markets will stimulate more demand than to established well connected hubs

So yes makes little sense in Air NZ operating it and cannibalising their AKL services. But a foreign (US) airline with loyal passengers adding capacity to a monopoly market under a more attractive NZD may work. I suspect the existing runway length would be an issue even for the B789 anyway @ WLG.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting A7ALA (Reply 33):
But a foreign (US) airline with loyal passengers adding capacity to a monopoly market under a more attractive NZD may work

If NZ (or someone else) is operating WLG-LAX, then all of a sudden a route like AKL-IAH starts to make sense.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:12 am

Quoting A7ALA (Reply 33):
I suspect the existing runway length would be an issue even for the B789 anyway @ WLG.

Yes it would be a limiting factor for long-haul 787 or A350 flights with an economically viable load but there are plans afoot to extend the runway length...

http://www.connectwellington.co.nz/

Ernst & Young report that there will be a 5-for-1 direct dollar benefit for money invested in the runway extension. Given the 2-plus terms of a National Govt, I no longer believe these figures are valid. Wellington, and the rest of the country, diminish in significance as everything is centralised out of Auckland.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 34):
If NZ (or someone else) is operating WLG-LAX,

The MTOW for a 789 out of WLG is about 200t. Roughly an 8hr sector with a 260 seat passenger load. A 788 would do better at about 10-hours with ~242 seats occupied. Perhaps HNL ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting A7ALA (Reply 29):

Yes I'm aware of the FJ route recently announced but this hint was given to me yesterday. No indication was given as to when an announcement would be, so I'm presuming WIAL are still in talks with the airline. I would love a WLG-Apia route which connects to NZs Apia-LAX service


Speaking of WLG-NAN, does anyone know if NZs seasonal NAN route still operates?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 36):
Perhaps HNL ?

Wouldn't SIN or HKG be the real target?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
Also received a hint about a possible new international route being announced soon. Hints were leaning towards the Pacific Islands

Maybe APW or TBU? Theres reasonably sized Samoan and Tongan communities in Wellington arent there? Aswell as the tourism potential.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
I would love a WLG-Apia route which connects to NZs Apia-LAX service

That route is long gone. Maybe you meant the NZ RAR-LAX service?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:08 am

Apparently the contract for 789 frames 11 and 12 was signed a few days ago according to a Boeing press release. When are these to be delivered? Instead of 2 in each 2016 and 2017 maybe 3 in each of those years?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 39):

Maybe APW or TBU? Theres reasonably sized Samoan and Tongan communities in Wellington arent there? Aswell as the tourism potential.

Maybe once the 320NEO come into service, I'd think with WLG current runway & the A320CEO flights to APW/TBU/RAR would all be off limits.

At times even the A320CEO ex-AKL have an restricted payload, with WLG being 45mintues south of AKL & less of an runway surely it wouldn't be the flight worth it.

Also the with the Pacific Island flights known for there rather large checked baggage, it seems on some flights if it can fit in an A320 they will take it!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 41):

Maybe APW or TBU? Theres reasonably sized Samoan and Tongan communities in Wellington arent there? Aswell as the tourism potential.

Maybe once the 320NEO come into service, I'd think with WLG current runway & the A320CEO flights to APW/TBU/RAR would all be off limits.
PH used to fly APW-TBU-WLG-MEL for years with their 733 which they then continued with their 738. The 733 is far less performance capable than the A320's NZ currently flies so I can't imagine there being any issue if they were to (re)start that flight. The several times I took the PH flights from WLG-TBU-APW return, they were always pretty much full, in J and Y.

Also, it's not just the expat Pacific communities in Wellington but the tourist market in the WLG catchment.

I'd like to see NZ or VA (Virgin Samoa) do this, and a winter seasonal WLG-RAR would be great too.

[Edited 2015-01-07 19:34:16]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 42):
PH used to fly APW-TBU-WLG-MEL for years with their 733 which they then continued with their 738. The 733 is far less performance capable than the A320's NZ currently flies so I can't imagine there being any issue if they were to (re)start that flight. The several times I took the PH flights from WLG-TBU-APW return, they were always pretty much full, in J and Y.

Payload & range can be effected by the aircraft configuration, when you look at NZ's A320 they in an high density all Y 168 config. The aircraft it also fitted out with an pretty decent sized AVOD System, which will also eat away at the aircrafts payload and in the past 10 years the average weight of an passenger has increased.

So yes on paper the A320 is much more capable plane, but then if you config it for short low yielding routes with extra seats, your going to reduce your range. We're as if you config an 733 with an high yielding config, with less Y and an J cabin, your going to increase your range/payload.

Example - an A320 with 168 seats, could be 1600kgs more than an 148 seat A320. Based on an extra 20passengers at 82kg each

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:19 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 42):
I'd like to see NZ or VA (Virgin Samoa) do this

VA/NZ is transtasman arrangment only so they could not codeshare on such a route. With all the VANZ/VAS aircraft to be reregistered in the coming year to VH- this will open up opportunities for growth for VA as they will use the full size of the VA fleet

Quoting zkncj (Reply 41):
Also the with the Pacific Island flights known for there rather large checked baggage, it seems on some flights if it can fit in an A320 they will take it!

with the Pacific weights used for loadcontrol there is a cap placed at reservations on how many tickets can be sold. There is no reason why this wouldn't be any less viable with those weights and a similar cap used ex WLG.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:23 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
J is different, I still rate NZ there, I like the herringbone layout and the crew are generally very good.

Yes, the crew are generally very good, but I find the herringbone layout lacks privacy. I'm over it. Also, true to form NZ have cramped up J as much as they can too. If you don't believe me, take Air Canada as a comparison. This is not an airline known for pampering its passengers with unnecessary frills. Their 77W has 24 seats in a herringbone layout in the forward cabin. NZ's has 28.

It's not the first time I have heard this feedback about the herringbone layout, but for whatever reason, I sleep really well in them. I can see how privacy is not great in them too, but again, it's never been something that bothers me. Yep, I was quite surprised when I noticed they'd removed the toiletries from the J bathrooms a few years ago. as you say, no unnecessary frills.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 41):
Maybe once the 320NEO come into service, I'd think with WLG current runway & the A320CEO flights to APW/TBU/RAR would all be off limits.

CHC-RAR was payload limited as well, quite a large restriction if I recall correctly.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
Speaking of WLG-NAN, does anyone know if NZs seasonal NAN route still operates?

It was an option when we looked at a trip from NSN to NAN last year, so assume it's still around.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:29 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 44):
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 42):
I'd like to see NZ or VA (Virgin Samoa) do this

VA/NZ is transtasman arrangment only so they could not codeshare on such a route. With all the VANZ/VAS aircraft to be reregistered in the coming year to VH- this will open up opportunities for growth for VA as they will use the full size of the VA fleet

With a partial fleet roll over as well! New 737-800SFPs.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:30 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 44):
with the Pacific weights used for loadcontrol there is a cap placed at reservations on how many tickets can be sold. There is no reason why this wouldn't be any less viable with those weights and a similar cap used ex WLG.

Would it be correct in thinking though, the more seats blocked off the higher the per passenger cost? Therefore would it just be as cost effective to route passengers via AKL we're they are able to fill widebodys on selected flights?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:33 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 47):
Would it be correct in thinking though, the more seats blocked off the higher the per passenger cost?

I'm happy to pay a little extra to fly non-stop to the Pacific, and not have to transit through AKL. I live in WLG.

Long-haul I don't have the same concerns; an extra hour or two overall because of flying via AKL or SYD does not concern me.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 151

Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:42 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 39):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):I would love a WLG-Apia route which connects to NZs Apia-LAX serviceThat route is long gone. Maybe you meant the NZ RAR-LAX service?

Yes RAR, thank you  
Quoting zkncj (Reply 41):
with WLG being 45mintues south of AKL & less of an runway surely it wouldn't be the flight worth it.

Have you forgotten about the 1 million + population in the South Island? Not everyone wants to fly via AKL and endure the terminal change. If I lives in the South Island and had the option of flying via WLG with a transfer in a single terminal with no walking with carry on etc then WLG would be my pick.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 41):
Also the with the Pacific Island flights known for there rather large checked baggage, it seems on some flights if it can fit in an A320 they will take it!

I've personally experienced the PH B738 flights into WLG and the aircraft was perfectly capable with handling all the freight and loads between 90-100%. The main loads isn't departing but actually arriving as the Pacific Islanders return with freight from their home land. The main loads from New Zealand is actually fruit, veges and dairy from local growers/producers which is well under what is normally in the cargo hold coming into New Zealand. I've forgotten now what those arriving Pacific Island flights are nicknamed but the nick name totally suits the arriving freight. In other words, the in bound flight is the most heaviest and naturally the biggest money maker so weight restrictions wouldn't really be a concern for landing in WLG.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 45):
Quoting gasman (Reply 14):Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):J is different, I still rate NZ there, I like the herringbone layout and the crew are generally very good.Yes, the crew are generally very good, but I find the herringbone layout lacks privacy. I'm over it. Also, true to form NZ have cramped up J as much as they can too. If you don't believe me, take Air Canada as a comparison. This is not an airline known for pampering its passengers with unnecessary frills. Their 77W has 24 seats in a herringbone layout in the forward cabin. NZ's has 28. It's not the first time I have heard this feedback about the herringbone layout, but for whatever reason, I sleep really well in them. I can see how privacy is not great in them too, but again, it's never been something that bothers me. Yep, I was quite surprised when I noticed they'd removed the toiletries from the J bathrooms a few years ago. as you say, no unnecessary frills.

Sleeping in Y+ and Y doesn't include privacy so what is the problem? If you want privacy then take a cruise ship to your destination!
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