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How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:10 am

http://www.city-data.com/forum/seatt...ttention-boeing-757-engineers.html

The poster hasn't identified the airline yet but that would be unnerving for me.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:19 am

Wow,

That's quite a shock.

Seriously. Running shoes. Who wears those casually these days....

Oh right, you were referring to the gap the floor? Not very professional.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:19 am

Since I know what I am looking at I would have very little problem with it. I would get the FA to call maintenance out and have them install a new air grill. I know it looks ugly but is not serious. These air grills get kicked out of place on a regular basis.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:32 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 2):
Since I know what I am looking at I would have very little problem with it. I would get the FA to call maintenance out and have them install a new air grill. I know it looks ugly but is not serious. These air grills get kicked out of place on a regular basis.

Yep.

Point it out to a FA, so Maintenance can be called. Done. Vent grills do get kicked off from time to time.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:36 am

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 3):
Vent grills do get kicked off from time to time.

the design wasn't as robust as was needed.. it is interesting how the Dinol attracts all the dirt.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting ordell (Thread starter):
The poster hasn't identified the airline

I can say with almost complete certainly that that is a DL boarding pass down there, and since the site says 757, that makes sense.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:59 am

Trying to play detective here, but to me that piece of paper in the gap looks like the back of a Delta paper ticket with an offer for their branded gold American Express card, no? Could be wrong...

^^cyxuk beat me to it!

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:10 am

Doesn't look too serious. I've noticed there's a lot of interior panels and decorations that come loose and make everything look bad, when its really just a cosmetic thing
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:33 am

Like the pieces that vibrate as you are accelerating down the runway. Shake, rattle & roll. The L1011 was good about that. All the light covers in the ceiling would rattle at lift off time.
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:44 am

Pretty disgusting but hardly an airworthy issue. Not too terribly shocked this is a DL 757, their service is incredible but I have been on some quite tired 757's on southeast regional ATL routes. ATL-PBI on a ex-NW 757 ~1 year back the plastic parts of the window were so crazed over the windows were largely useless. Refubs and retirements can't happen soon enough.
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:09 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 4):
the design wasn't as robust as was needed.. it is interesting how the Dinol attracts all the dirt.

It is a dust/dirt magnet. Even worse was when smoking was still allowed on US airlines. I can remember working around the outflow valve and getting stuck to the goo. Yuck.
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:09 am

I'd frown, deduct points for poor form, and let the FA know that MX needs to be called out.
It's an air grille that's missing, nothing more.
Maybe if passengers would be responsible for their hands, feet, and all other objects, these things wouldn't get damaged...
But that would probably require that the passenger stop texting at 10000 feet, so it's unlikely to happen!
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:47 am

Quoting Rugger (Reply 8):
Like the pieces that vibrate as you are accelerating down the runway. Shake, rattle & roll. The L1011 was good about that. All the light covers in the ceiling would rattle at lift off time.

It hasn't gone away. Landed in CHC on a JQ A320 earlier this year and when the reverse kicked in there wasn't a thing in the cabin NOT moving.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:56 am

There was a thread about a missing vent grill on a Transaero 747 some years ago. It looked even worse, like an active waste bin, IIRC.   
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:55 am

Quoting cyxuk (Reply 5):

I can say with almost complete certainly that that is a DL boarding pass down there,

Funny thing is, I didn't notice the boarding pass but guessed DL based on the blue mesh seatback pocket and the carpet pattern.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:07 am

I was just curious to know exactly what I was looking at in the images.... Is that rust!?

The original person who posted it identified the carrier to be a DL B757....

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Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:23 am

Not the most observant man in the world, was he? I believe I might have seen that before my ass hit the seat.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:32 am

Um i'm not sure. I don't think i'd be pleased to see a gap in the floor.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):

Looks like one of the floor joist exposed and yes looks rusty, however.... Like mentioned here, not an airworthy issue whatsoever.... Hate to loose something down there......!
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:24 pm

Quoting PBNZ (Reply 1):

Since nobody clinged to this, I will. Those awful running shoes shocked much more than the gap  Yet, this is something you see all the time, especially in the US.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:36 pm

It's simply a kicked-off floor vent as stated before, and does not necessitate any further action other than fastening the grate back in place.

I wouldn't take the City Data forums too seriously, that's all I'm going to say...

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:14 pm

I'll approach this from another angle, has turn times been decreased so much that no inspection is performed on an a/c before its next flight, the cleaners should have seen the missing fixture and bought it to the attention of line maintenance.
Question then would be, quick fix with "speed tape" if spare part not available, block off the seat, delay the flight for repairs?
How about cleaning, how many times have you boarded a flight to find garbage in the seat pocket? Yes the F/A's go through the cabin before landing to collect items, my question is, has that procedure replaced the cleaners boarding the a/c after the last pax leaves and doing their cleaning?

As air travel has expanded the majority of persons flying today and not enthusiast, so seeing such on an a/c would be considered worse than a busted seat or arm rest, items we see much more often.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting PBNZ (Reply 1):
Wow,

That's quite a shock.

Seriously. Running shoes. Who wears those casually these days....

Oh right, you were referring to the gap the floor? Not very professional.

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:34 pm

Not so long ago I saw this in a 757 from Germany to Cyprus.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2gy9btg.jpg
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:45 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 17):
Um i'm not sure. I don't think i'd be pleased to see a gap in the floor.

As long as you can't see daylight and the aircraft is still flying normally there's probably not a lot to worry about but it doesn't reflect well on the airline.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting EricAY05 (Reply 19):
Since nobody clinged to this, I will. Those awful running shoes shocked much more than the gap  Yet, this is something you see all the time, especially in the US.


I'm soooo glad somebody else was horrified by that minging footwear; if you hadn't posted, I'm afraid I'd have had to! Positively horrid ....

Personally, I think I'd have been more worried about dropping my phone .... argh!
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:53 pm

Not really, last time I flew on a 757 it had some water leaking from a gap in its ceiling, that was quickly fixed by stuffing some water into the gap.
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
I was just curious to know exactly what I was looking at in the images.... Is that rust!?
Quoting xdlx (Reply 18):
Looks like one of the floor joist exposed and yes looks rusty,

No rust. The structure is painted white but is sprayed with Dinol / AV-15 corrosion preventative which has a ruddy red appearance. As was mentioned in reply 4 from kanban, these corrosion preventatives are often dust magnets.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
I was just curious to know exactly what I was looking at in the images.... Is that rust!?

Nope, it is not rust. It is dirt and grime that has stuck to the corrosion inhibitor (Dinitrol) which is very sticky. The structure you are seeing is aluminum and as you probably know aluminum does not rust. It will corrode but it looks entirely different then rust.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 10):
when smoking was still allowed on US airlines

A bit off topic but since you mentioned it: Is smoking still allowed on any airlines in other parts of the world? Thanks.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:46 pm

The question is "How would I feel?"
I'd feel depressed.
I'd feel like the airline (Delta apparently) has little view of the importance customer experience.
Yes - this is not a safety issue, though if you dropped something it would be a pain.
However, it just shouts cheap, short cut, don't care.
I expect this on a beat up inner city bus. No - not really.
But the impression is one of lack of care.
At a minimum - if they cannot fix it - an apology from the FA is in order.
The question is what other shortcuts do they take.
How far air travel has fallen.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:54 pm

I would feel like I was flying TAAG between NOV and LAD. Except that I would have to add panels covering the Oxygen masks falling during takeoff.  
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:21 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 13):
There was a thread about a missing vent grill on a Transaero 747 some years ago. It looked even worse, like an active waste bin, IIRC.

You'd be surprised how much junk we'll find behind the sidewall and dado panels when we remove them for a^check.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
I was just curious to know exactly what I was looking at in the images.... Is that rust!?

Aluminium corrosion is whitish-gray.

Quoting JCS (Reply 23):
Not so long ago I saw this in a 757 from Germany to Cyprus.

Which didn't you just push the plastic strip up? It is just a cover for the gap between the sidewall panels.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 26):
Not really, last time I flew on a 757 it had some water leaking from a gap in its ceiling, that was quickly fixed by stuffing some water into the gap.

Only condensation. Probably some insulation blankets not properly installed or damaged above the cabin ceiling.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 27):
No rust. The structure is painted white but is sprayed with Dinol / AV-15 corrosion preventative which has a ruddy red appearance. As was mentioned in reply 4 from kanban, these corrosion preventatives are often dust magnets.

LPS3 is even worse, since it never really dries, but the whole Dinitrol / Dinol series (not just AV-15, but AV-8 and AV-30 as well) are a bit sticky and therefore attract dust. Since this area is the outflow of air from the passenger cabin to the cargo holds lots of dust gets carried along.
I'll bet the missing dado panel was somewhere under some seat in front or in the back of the gap. They are only clipped in.


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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 30):
How far air travel has fallen.

If anything air travel has gotten only better. It's not a privilege of the economic elite like it used to be, also your chances of dying in an accident have decreased very much.

Give me an old 757 over a brand new DC-8 or 707 of the 60's any day.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:51 pm

A lot of people would probably not even think it wasn't supposed to be that way. It is also in a position where a flight attendant would never notice it unless someone brought it to their attention. It's up to we Airliners geeks to tell someone about it  
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:14 pm

Maybe it is a new place to stash your rubbish whilst on the plane
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting CaptCosslett (Reply 35):
stash

Speaking of stash........the first thing I would do upon seeing this would be check to see if the smugglers left anything behind!!
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 30):
though if you dropped something it would be a pain.

That would be my worry. Being my clumsy self, I drop stuff - namely camera lenscaps - all the time on an airplane.

Quoting PBNZ (Reply 1):
Seriously. Running shoes. Who wears those casually these days....

Quite literally, 75% of the guys I know (well, sneakers, not necessarily running shoes). As do I. No reason why I wouldn't wear what's most comfortable for me.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting PBNZ (Reply 1):
Running shoes. Who wears those casually these days....

Pretty much everyone I know.
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 30):
The question is what other shortcuts do they take.
How far air travel has fallen.

That's just it. The average passenger isn't an airline enthusiast/expert like those of us on this board. We all know that this isn't a safety of flight issue. We would all roll our eyes and then sit down and buckle our seatbelts and probably point it out to someone on arrival.

But Grandma on her way to visit her new grandchild in Skokie doesn't know that. To her, she's about to get in this contraption that's going to fly her through the air miles above the ground at hundreds of miles an hour...and she's heard of plane crashes. And this doesn't look right. And it stands to reason that maybe they took shortcuts on other parts of the airplane, too. My god, is this thing safe? Is this AIRLINE safe?

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting EricAY05 (Reply 19):
Yet, this is something you see all the time, especially in the US.

Running shoes are for running, nothing else (in my opinion), but strangely enough, I see more people wearing them with jeans, slacks when I am overseas. Here in the US many people don't "dress up" that much.  

Vent cover missing, meh, no big deal.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:05 pm

I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that since this was Delta, it might have been this 757:



or maybe this one:

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:44 pm

Most of us here on a.net know such cosmetic details are irrelevant safety wise. A few funny jokes are even made on this thread.

Sure. The problem is the average flyer that gets in the aircraft, knows jack about what is purely cosmetic and what is not. That flyer is going to get very nervous, raise a ruckus or talk really bad about his experience with that airline. I´ve also known passengers that for much less have simply decided to deplane. Not because they are being divas, but because they are sincerely scared.

I know it´s a busy time for airlines and every single aircraft is needed. But at some point management needs to decide that certain details that passengers can see, no matter how harmless, can do a lot of damage in the PR department. Maybe it is worth to face a delay of two hrs. while maintenance fixes that cosmetic damage. I´d rather have lousy comments on my facebook page by passengers talking about a delay, than lousy comments about how unsafe my airline is flying its planes.

Or at the very least have the FA make a PA announcement to the passengers explaining what that missing panel is and means.

Not too long ago we had a VivaAerobus 737 fly with a little panel missing on the pylon. It was duct taped. But sure enough, mid cruise the tape was torn off, in shreds, and the passenger next to the window filmed the HOLE, with the SHREDS of duct tape. It did look dramatic. It was on the news for days, in every paper and VivaAerobus´s reputation was hugely damaged. Well, not damaged, as it is already known as a crappy airline but now, also as an "un-safe-look-they-fly-with-a-hole-in-the-engine-airline!!!" And they use duct tape, to boot.

My two cents.

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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:54 pm

Forget down by your feet, you should see what collects over your heads by the gaspers   
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 33):
If anything air travel has gotten only better. It's not a privilege of the economic elite like it used to be, also your chances of dying in an accident have decreased very much.

Sorry - more available does not necessarily equate to better.
I agree it is more available and safer (tho not that much in my lifetime - which is another way of saying it has been pretty darn safe for quite some time).

But the experience has degraded.
Used to be an adventure - fun - exciting.
Now I'm jammed shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip - with a bunch of snortin', fartin' and too often rude people.
Service sucks.
Don't even start with the TSA.
I used to look forward to a flight.
I look to avoid it now. That is a shame.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
The most important asset any airline has (or any business, for that matter) is its reputation. These sorts of events erode that reputation.

   - except that I'm not sure it is the most important asset anymore. Price may be - or may be becoming - the only asset.

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 40):
Running shoes are for running, nothing else (in my opinion),

Running shoes are comfortable.
Wearing running shoes when not running - meh - no big deal.
Of course, I wear cowboy boots. I'm serious.....

Quoting AR385 (Reply 42):
Or at the very least have the FA make a PA announcement to the passengers explaining what that missing panel is and means.

Maybe not a PA announcement - but a simple quiet aside to the folks in that row.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 42):
It was duct taped. But sure enough, mid cruise the tape was torn off, in shreds

Shoulda use gorilla tape....
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:03 am

The running shoes tangent has me fascinated. Runners in the US tend to differentiate between running shoes and "gym shoes" in general, which these appear to be, with running shoes being a more expensive (over-priced) and usually more colorful subset of said gym shoes. Many runners won't wear their actual "running shoes" other than for running, since they don't want to wear them out.

That said, what sort of casual, comfy shoes do people in other countries wear? Penny loafers?

As for the 757, I'd wait until after the beverage service had ended and we were in the idle phase of flight where the flight attendants had little to do other than gossip in the galley, and then mention to one of them (in exchange for a hot food item that would normally be charged for, of course) that the pilot needed to write up an NEF (non-essential furnishing, a category of deferrable maintenance item that is, basically, utterly unimportant).
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:33 am

The poster in the other forum explained that he didn't notice it until his 3-year old stepped in the hole. That alone is not a good thing.

It doesn't matter that it's not a big safety issue. Staring into the abyss of the aircraft you're flying on is creepy. The average passenger who sees this will think "Wow, what happened here? Did something break? Did they forget to put the cover in place? What else did they forget to put in place? Wow that looks old, rusty and dirty.. what does the rest of the aircraft look like?"

Reputation goes straight down the drain with these kind of things.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 33):
Give me an old 757 over a brand new DC-8 or 707 of the 60's any day.

I would feel much safer flying on a UPS DC-8-73 then any other aircraft ever built. CFM56-2, EFIS cockpit,. UPS made a A340 out of that obsolete aircraft and it has a much stronger structure then AB or Boeing ever built. This is not smoke, it is fact. Much stronger airplane with modern engines, modern EFIS/autopilot. I have flown on many and it is almost unbreakable. Boeing and Airbus should take a look at past technologies and say, it really does not to be so complicated, just reliable. I know a bit off topic but it was brought up.



A person kicked that panel loose guys. It slid forward or aft and I answered this on post number 2. Wow, on and on.
 
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:27 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 42):

Not too long ago we had a VivaAerobus 737 fly with a little panel missing on the pylon. It was duct taped.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 42):
And they use duct tape, to boot.
Quoting rcair1 (Reply 44):

Quoting AR385 (Reply 42):
It was duct taped. But sure enough, mid cruise the tape was torn off, in shreds

Shoulda use gorilla tape....

Speed Tape. Different thing entirely. I haven't read up on that incident (if it's even so classified), but I'd be willing to bet a shiny box of donuts that what you see is a CDL legal for flight in every way.

Speed Tape is used quite regularly for things like that, and yes, it sometimes does come loose. For that reason, when a Tape related CDL is still in effect, there will often be what's called a Monitor Action to be carried out as part of nightly MX until the CDL is cleared.

Quoting gcb5196 (Reply 43):
Forget down by your feet, you should see what collects over your heads by the gaspers   

Not much really. The same sort of lint/dust that collects in the vents of your home, but likely less of it. I've seen quite a few PSU backsides in my time (I will likely never forget the night I had to re-pack an entire MD83's cabin worth of O2 masks... A high density, single class MD83...   ).

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 44):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
The most important asset any airline has (or any business, for that matter) is its reputation. These sorts of events erode that reputation.

   - except that I'm not sure it is the most important asset anymore. Price may be - or may be becoming - the only asset.

Lol, I guess we shouldn't be surprised how much reputation can be forgiven for a low enough fare...

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 45):
I'd wait until after the beverage service had ended and we were in the idle phase of flight where the flight attendants had little to do other than gossip in the galley, and then mention to one of them (in exchange for a hot food item that would normally be charged for, of course) that the pilot needed to write up an NEF (non-essential furnishing, a category of deferrable maintenance item that is, basically, utterly unimportant).


?

Certainly not saying you shouldn't do it. But I don't understand why they should give you something for free in return for making them do more work.

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 47):
I would feel much safer flying on a UPS DC-8-73 then any other aircraft ever built. CFM56-2, EFIS cockpit,. UPS made a A340 out of that obsolete aircraft and it has a much stronger structure then AB or Boeing ever built. This is not smoke, it is fact. Much stronger airplane with modern engines, modern EFIS/autopilot. I have flown on many and it is almost unbreakable. Boeing and Airbus should take a look at past technologies and say, it really does not to be so complicated, just reliable. I know a bit off topic but it was brought up.

They find a way to put APUs in those?

I do believe they probably were pretty robust though. I don't think B or A will try to build airplanes like that though. In a world where a 1% reduction in operational & MX costs is a big deal, I don't see anyone buying heavier planes these days.

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 47):
A person kicked that panel loose guys. It slid forward or aft and I answered this on post number 2. Wow, on and on.

Yeah, no kidding. I see misaligned DADOs all the time. Simple slide back & voila...
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RE: How Would You Feel If You Saw This On Your Plane?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:51 am

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 48):
They find a way to put APUs in those?

I do believe they probably were pretty robust though. I don't think B or A will try to build airplanes like that though. In a world where a 1% reduction in operational & MX costs is a big deal, I don't see anyone buying heavier planes these days.

Actually, yes they did. ARAMCO had an APU just forward of the "B" bag bin. It worked quite well. It would have taken quite a bit of work to certify the installation for commercial use but yes, it was done.

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