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What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:16 pm

As per this article:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...at-wide-hope-but-what-next-407633/

I would suggest they go for Boeing's main oops - the 757 remplacement. If the A380 sales are slowing down and the 777x is out selling the A350-1000 and the A350-800 sales are not happening then there is a segment that is sitting there to take and that airlines want.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:51 pm

My expectation:

1) Next: A380 NEO - Final concept when Boeing completes Specification for the 777x Family EIS 2020 or 2021 depending on concept.

2) A350: no need to act anytime soon. A potential A350-1100 or somehow a 777x fighter doesn't need a competitor at the time Boeing starts the 777x. Still this concept would need to be defined. It should come at a date when the next step engine technology after the 777x is available- so that the 777 can be beaten easily- I expect it then 2024/ 2025/ 2026.
Then the other A350 Follow.
Weather the A350-800 gets a revival- depends on engine and the formal concept, but more on the sales of the A330 NEO.
If A350 NEO is needed, then it will have a more optimized Structure - (but I doubt it)

3) A320 line
The A320 line will gain more advantage, as it could allow to include the next step Geared Turbofan technology still- around 2025 (either Pratt or RR)
Boeing will have to move with the replacement of the 737 = NSA first and rumors say that it will be launched 2018 for EIS 2025 in its first variant which could be a the largest version a 757 replacement.

Airbus isn't in a hurry, as the can still upgrade engines , an A320 NextNEO. So they will wait what the NSA may be et the end. After that they have to decide if they also have to do a NSA-A320, or if it could be enough that a composite rewing or a Composite middle section would do the job.

For the smaller planes, I could see Airbus to partner or buy with one of the new regional plane manufacturers - Bombardier / Embraer/ Mitsubishi or even Sukhoi (whatever comes out with Russia)


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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:52 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Thread starter):
I would suggest they go for Boeing's main oops - the 757 remplacement.

Have you not heard of their A321neoLR?
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:00 pm

A340neo   at current oil price, a quad is nice to operate some long remote routes.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):

Indeed, that plane, like the 35J, sacrifices some commonality in order to get an extra couple % toward the 757 (calling a direct 1:1 replacement 100% here). The issue is that getting that last 2-5% (just ballparking) to be a "true 1:1 757 replacement" would require SIGNIFICANT additional investment beyond the special mods for the 321NEOLR. As has been discussed previously, if said market were large enough, Boeing themselves would have addressed it. That market is just simply too small at this time* to be viable.

*=note my qualification there -- that last "top right corner" of the 757 performance curve is being filled very nicely by relatively young(ish) 757's flying relatively fewer segments than the older ones being punished with multiple daily milk runs like ORD-LGA/DCA, ATL-Florida/DCA, etc. These planes currently doing TATL and PS (at UA) work will stick around for a while yet, making the "true replacement" only a medium- to long-run project. As these planes begin to reach mx intervals and experience unforeseeable breakdowns/accidents, the fleet will attrite accordingly but the airlines will cannibalize among them to keep the best ones running for a while yet.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 1):
or somehow a 777x fighter doesn't need a competitor

Now that is an aircraft I want to buy a ticket for:

"Would sir like a gin & tonic before we commence air combat?"  
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:45 pm

The next major decision at Airbus will be to upgrade the A380 or develop a very large twin (A350-1100).

I still consider the latter option to be more sensible.

Other than that, Airbus has a very good product offering as of now and it will take some focus to take production to a higher output across all production lines over the longer term. Supply chain management is one of if not the most important challenge for Airbus.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:25 pm

"Have you not heard of their A321neoLR? "

Yes, I have, but it is no 757. Both the A320 series and the 737 series are old. A scaled down version of the 787 or the A350 or scaled up version of the C Series would be nice a fuel efficient aircraft.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 7):
Yes, I have, but it is no 757.

Oh right, you are one of those types... Well, I don't really see a perfect replacement for the 757 (other than the A321neoLR) but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 7):
Yes, I have, but it is no 757

Could be please just give it a rest with this rhetoric..     Considering that the A321neo (Not even the ceo or the LR) has sold about 80% of the total 757 production run before even EIS, let's just say that between the two..maybe we should be talking about a 757-sized plane that can outsell the A321 and not the other way around?!

On the topic at hand..
A320family: No real news here for 2015 as far as development is concerned. Just bringing the 321neo and 319neo into testing and production
A330family: I expect we will get at least another 100 orders for the Neo especially if we have early design freeze.
A350family: For some odd reason I have a feeling John Leahy will go all out on selling the A350-1000 this year
A380: Neo please...
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:49 pm

Does the 319 have a future? I've read here that sales are awful meager.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 10):

As others have stated here before..both the A319neo and the 737-7 have no certain future of course but both will be the basis for the next Business Jet models, so there is a case in making them.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 10):
Does the 319 have a future? I've read here that sales are awful meager.

It will. More so as a Business Jet.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 9):
Could be please just give it a rest with this rhetoric.. Considering that the A321neo (Not even the ceo or the LR) has sold about 80% of the total 757 production run before even EIS, let's just say that between the two..maybe we should be talking about a 757-sized plane that can outsell the A321 and not the other way around?!

I agree the A321NEO/A321NEO-LR are great 757 substitutes for almost all roles, but in the context of the theme of this thread, it must be a mouth-watering target for Airbus add another 500 nm or so to the A321NEO-LR and capture a whole lot more TATL city pairs. The A321 wing just does not store enough fuel nor produce enough lift at a low enough drag to capture (or even extend) the "long-thin route starter" role that many airlines are using the 757 in. Everything else about the aircraft works so well, it's a shame it can't finally "drive a stake in the heart" of the last important role of the 757.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 12):

Talking about the A319neo:
AV : 19 orders. Is there any hint they were going for the A320? Besides hot and high requirements, they could upgauge
F9: 18 orders. I also remember they were talking about the A320
CZ: 4 orders. I didn't actually know CZ had ordered the 319neo
Undisclosed: 8 orders. Could this be for BBJ?
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
many airlines

As we have stated in another thread when all the 757 replacement was all the rage during the summer, 75% of all produced resides in the american-based airlines and mostly the big 3. Of the big 3 I see no interest whatsoever in getting a 757 for the 2020s (since I m quite tired of the also mouth-watering true replacement phrasing), while on the other hand they are ordering A320neo, 321neo, 737-8 by the truck-load and in the case of UA the 737-9. Do you really think Boeing would start talking about a NSA targeted from the 737-8 and above, even before metal is cut for the MAX mind you, if the 321neo(normal and possible future LR) wasn't wiping the floor with the -9? And it's only looking to get worse.

On a general note I agree with the rest of your post     
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 7):

"Have you not heard of their A321neoLR? "

Yes, I have, but it is no 757.

Oh boy.....it's Groundhog Day again!

The only 1:1 '757 replacement' you are going to get is if you go out and buy a second hand 757.

Modern day needs call for something different, something more efficient, that can perform equivalent missions and that bird looks like being the A321NEO LR. This discussion has already been beaten to death.

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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 14):
Talking about the A319neo:

Yes I know, I was referring to the neo with my comment. There will be some form of market for the A319neo. There are some airlines that can benefit from ts short field performance (which obviously should not change from the ceo). I can see AV taking theirs. I can even see an Airline like Tibet Airlines taking some and maybe other chinese airlines who operate into the Tibet area. It won't be much but I still can see it having some market (even though many here doubt its future)

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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):

I know   I was wondering if you had any info on the rest of my post *Reply 14
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 18):
I know   I was wondering if you had any info on the rest of my post *Reply 14

I edited my comment, see above. But, Airbus seems committed to it, so maybe they are working on more orders for it behind the scenes that we don't know about. I mean the CZ order for the A319neo was a bit of a surprise to me even though it was only for 4.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:31 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 7):
A scaled down version of the 787 or the A350

Too heavy to be competitive.

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 7):
or scaled up version of the C Series would be nice a fuel efficient aircraft.

The CSeries is too small to get acceptable payload/range characteristics for such a job. The A321neoLR is the closest thing to a 757 we are going to see.

Quoting ordell (Reply 10):
Does the 319 have a future? I've read here that sales are awful meager.

The sweet spot in the market is moving upwards (which is one reason why the efficient CSeries doesn't get to grips benefiting from its better economics). The A319 does not have a great future, but the marginal cost in offering it are close to zero.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:40 pm

I suspect Airbus will do a clean sheet in the 200-300 seat widebody segment. A330NEO will most likely be limping along within 10 years and need to be replaced.

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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:40 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 5):
Now that is an aircraft I want to buy a ticket for:

"Would sir like a gin & tonic before we commence air combat?"

Be sure that there is rather a Boeing 777x fighter as an A380 fIghter.
For this combat I see the 777x    as a clear winner (on an overall low level) and it would be my preferred choice!

  

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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:50 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Thread starter):
A350-800 sales are not happening then there is a segment that is sitting there to take and that airlines want.

But now we have the A330neo thus Airbus have replacement equipment for its entire product line-up:

> A319 => A319neo
> A320 => A320neo
> A321 => A321neo
> A330-200 => A330-800neo
> A330-300 => A330-900neo
> A340-300 => A350-900
> A340-600 => A350-1000

All these projects will be completed by the end of 2017. What will be next is a good question, but we can safely assume that development work won't go idle. Several candidates come to mind:

> A320 Neo Plus (see here)
> A321neoLR (EIS 2019, if launched)
> A330neo freighter (well, the A330F needs an update too)
> A350-900 freighter (would depend on cargo market conditions)
> A350-900LR (a niche product, could be offered to extend the A350 family)
> A350-1100 (would depend on market demand)
> A380neo (if there is a business case)

Take a pick.

I don't expect to see a new narrowbody family before 2030. The Airbus CEO made it clear that the company will focus on product improvements through the next decade. That means aircraft derivatives and further upgrades.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:56 pm

With the oil price at the moment, maybe we will get a Concorde NEO   
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
But now we have the A330neo thus Airbus have replacement equipment for its entire product line-up:

> A319 => A319neo
> A320 => A320neo
> A321 => A321neo
> A330-200 => A330-800neo
> A330-300 => A330-900neo
> A340-300 => A350-900
> A340-600 => A350-1000

All these projects will be completed by the end of 2017. What will be next is a good question, but we can safely assume that development work won't go idle. Several candidates come to mind:

> A320 Neo Plus (see here)
> A321neoLR (EIS 2019, if launched)
> A330neo freighter (well, the A330F needs an update too)
> A350-900 freighter (would depend on cargo market conditions)
> A350-900LR (a niche product, could be offered to extend the A350 family)
> A350-1100 (would depend on market demand)
> A380neo (if there is a business case)

Take a pick.

I think Karel sums it up pretty nicely. I can see more than one of those happening.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
I don't expect to see a new narrowbody family before 2030. The Airbus CEO made it clear that the company will focus on product improvements through the next decade. That means aircraft derivatives and further upgrades.

Agreed. Especially for a new narrowbody, certainly not before 2030. Boeing seems to feel the same way.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:44 am

A340-300 conversion kit to an A330F, new wings and forward landing gear, and cargo door
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:46 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 3):

Haha. Can you imagine out of nowhere Airbus just announces an A340neo. Of course that would never happen in a million years but just the thought of it is crazy.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:27 am

A322
A350-1100

would make sense imho. Trade range for capacity and have some CASM monsters.

Then they will have to get ready for their next single aisle offering and probably something that can take on the 787 on merit.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:20 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 21):
suspect Airbus will do a clean sheet in the 200-300 seat widebody segment. A330NEO will most likely be limping along within 10 years and need to be replaced.

I seem to remember similar things were said about the 330ceo some 10 years ago at the launch of the 787 - look at what has happened since then.


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Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting boeing737max (Reply 27):
Haha. Can you imagine out of nowhere Airbus just announces an A340neo. Of course that would never happen in a million years but just the thought of it is crazy.

Maybe not A340NEO, but consider this: the price of oil is dropping. What if someone announced a "Back to Cheap Engine Option", where you install the aircraft with either an older or otherwise differently optimised engine, one that consumes a bit more fuel but is much cheaper to acquire and maintain?

Ok, I realise the oil price is fluctuating and there is no prediction of what it will do. Just playing around with thoughts 
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:46 am

I am the only person on planet, apparently, saying this but what Airbus should do is an A380X. Optimize for the current fuselage instead of the stretch and reduce trip cost by 30% with new engines (not the Advance). Revised, Optimized A380-8X Part One: Weight Est. (by Matt6461 Dec 14 2014 in Tech Ops)

That's not going to happen of course, so I see an A380NEO. I don't think Airbus will do the A350-1100 because it would basically kill the A380. It would probably be a little better than 777X, which would be about equal to A380NEO itself on seat costs. The A35J will split the market with 77X anyway, not a ton of pressure to move there imho.

The talk of the 757 replacement isn't really a pure 757RS. It's more of a small twin-aisle or 757-like single aisle, but with ~5000nm range. I think this is going to be a great plane but Boeing will move in this space first. Airbus is winning in the single aisle market, the A321neoLR, when launched, won't have a real competitor, so Boeing is under much greater pressure to do something than Airbus. Airbus would rather that the status quo - a 60-40 market share edge - persists. It won't upset that balance until Boeing's NSA/MOM makes it respond.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:01 am

A350-1100 would be too range limited to really put pressure on the A380NEO, but it could make a serious opponent to the 777-9X for TATL and other shorter routes. I think it would fit very well in the Airbus line-up, as its range would not put it into competition with the A380NEO, while its size would not put it into competition with the A330NEO.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 32):

A350-1100 would be too range limited to really put pressure on the A380NEO

A35K would use engines with 5+ better SFC than A35J, so even with a stretch it could be around 8,000nm range. It would be a good aircraft. Airbus would be more likely to do it if it didn't have the A380 albatross.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 14):
Undisclosed: 8 orders. Could this be for BBJ?

Well I'm sure the 319NEO will make a great business jet but I still think we'd see Hell freeze over before Boeing buy any of them.  
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting speedbored (Reply 34):

Oops my bad 
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting Matt6461 (Reply 33):
A35K would use engines with 5+ better SFC than A35J, so even with a stretch it could be around 8,000nm range. It would be a good aircraft. Airbus would be more likely to do it if it didn't have the A380 albatross.

I don't see that happening. It would use a TXWB-97 variant with a range of ~ 7,000 nm. This way it cannot cannibalize the A350-1000 and A380neo.

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Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:55 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 6):
The next major decision at Airbus will be to

launch the A359R. A great TPAC and Europe-Oceania frame.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting Matt6461 (Reply 33):
A35K would use engines with 5+ better SFC than A35J, so even with a stretch it could be around 8,000nm range. It would be a good aircraft. Airbus would be more likely to do it if it didn't have the A380 albatross.

Consensus so far was that it would be a simple stretch. So same everything as the 1000, just a longer fuselage -> less range ~ 7000nm.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):

But now we have the A330neo thus Airbus have replacement equipment for its
entire product line-up:


What about the A330 Beluga? I know it is just an internal project for Airbus but it
is still an ongoing (?) project.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:48 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 39):
What about the A330 Beluga? I know it is just an internal project for Airbus but it
is still an ongoing (?) project.

See http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...oversize-air-transport-capability/
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:07 am

If I were Airbus Industrie, instead of A380neo and A350-1100, I'd rather focus on an all-new 400-seat widebody to combat 777-9X and let A380 go for good. This new plane would have potential to be later stretched to hold the capacity near the one of 747-8i, once market desires it.

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Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
If I were Airbus Industrie, instead of A380neo and A350-1100, I'd rather focus on an all-new 400-seat widebody to combat 777-9X

What would an all new plane(when you consider all Boeing is doing is an upgrade, though expensive) that an A350-1100 can't?
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:59 pm

What is next, build over 3000 A320 Neos, like 600 A330 s and a lot of A350.... They really need a 3 deck beluga airliner for putting 1300 PAX across America and make it A net champion on CASM... LOL

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Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 42):
What would an all new plane(when you consider all Boeing is doing is an upgrade, though expensive) that an A350-1100 can't?

Probably match or exceed the range and payload capabilities of the 7778/7779. Question is how many customers need that.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:13 pm

How about a simple stretch of the A359 to address the regional mid-haul asian markets in the most optimised way.

The fuse length is already done for the 3510, the market is huge, and Boeing would have no potential response.
 
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:09 pm

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 42):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
If I were Airbus Industrie, instead of A380neo and A350-1100, I'd rather focus on an all-new 400-seat widebody to combat 777-9X

What would an all new plane(when you consider all Boeing is doing is an upgrade, though expensive) that an A350-1100 can't?

The hypothetical A350-1100 will not be "true" long haul plane 777-9X is. It will most likely carry range penalty, making it more of a 400 passenger initial A330-300, with a very limited market appeal.

Going "all new" route would allow Airbus to match capabilities of Boeing's plane.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 44):
Probably match or exceed the range and payload capabilities of the 7778/7779.

I was thinking more about better fuel burn efficiency. There is really no need to exceed the range of 777-9X, matching it would be sufficient. Killing CASM of the 777-9X will kill 777-9X.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 44):
Question is how many customers need that.

Any late-buyer of the 777-300ER can be considered a potential customer. Boeing does have a hefty backlog for 777-9X and Airbus could win some sales by providing an earlier availability. 2025 EIS would suffice.

...and, FFS, Airbus, don't waste any more money on A380, please. VLA is a blind alley until 2040s at least.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
If I were Airbus Industrie, instead of A380neo and A350-1100, I'd rather focus on an all-new 400-seat widebody to combat 777-9X and let A380 go for good

This is where Airbus is in a really awkward position. I agree that the A380 is no longer an economically viable aircraft, but at the same time, they want to at least break even on the whale.
But if they stop to creat a 400 seat supertwin, they'll loose money for sure, money best spent on said project.

And they can't just stretch the A350-1000. There would be a lack of range, and Airbus would have successfully made the worlds largest regional jet.

In any case, nothing new will come out of Airbus until the 2020s, as said by them.
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
I agree the A321NEO/A321NEO-LR are great 757 substitutes for almost all roles, but in the context of the theme of this thread, it must be a mouth-watering target for Airbus add another 500 nm or so to the A321NEO-LR and capture a whole lot more TATL city pairs. The A321 wing just does not store enough fuel nor produce enough lift at a low enough drag to capture (or even extend) the "long-thin route starter" role that many airlines are using the 757 in. Everything else about the aircraft works so well, it's a shame it can't finally "drive a stake in the heart" of the last important role of the 757.

I don't understand your rethoric, when the A321neoLR specs (and Airbus are usually conservative in their estimations) are 100nm more range than the 757, with more thrust per tonne.. so it should at least match the hot & high performance of the 757. The only thing missing are a few seats. The 757 in question has 4,100nm range on paper, but it's true range is 3,800nm. Airbus claims their A321neoLR true range is 3,900nm using the same calculations.

I do agree that a 4500 nm A321neo would be even more attractive. We'll have to wait and see what the final product can do, but I'm betting it will be even better than what they're promising on paper.
 
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RE: What Is Next For Airbus?

Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 47):
And they can't just stretch the A350-1000. There would be a lack of range

This baffles me: people call the 787-10 (a double stretch with reduced range) the best thing since sliced bread, but a similar A350 stretch is not going to cut it? It's better to avoid 1:1 competition in the widebody market. This way both aircraft manufacturers can take a large slice of the pie.
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