Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
ozark1
Topic Author
Posts: 884
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:38 am

AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:06 pm

I had my first experience as a passenger on an AA319 recently. The legroom in coach was inhumane...I could not unfold the tray table and there is no way a flight attendant could check to see that carry on was stowed under the seat. But was captivated by the flight map on the IFE in the seatback. To be able to see the route from the pilot's perspective (Airspeed and altitude) was awesome.
My questions are: Does anyone know if this 30 inch seat pitch will remain? and secondly, will more planes have the individual IFE's or will they be taken off? I don't think Parker is a big fan of them.
Thanks
 
N353SK
Posts: 1024
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:08 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:51 pm

I'd just like to add that putting a flight attendant call button on the seatback monitors was not a good idea!
 
ikramerica
Posts: 15121
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:57 pm

I've only had experience in the F section of the plane and though it is nice, it is clearly not an international product. It's just a tighter, more cramped feeling. Okay for 6 hours when you aren't planning on sleeping, but certainly wouldn't cut it for a 12 hour experience.

Sorry to hear the Y section is so crappy.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
AAMDanny
Posts: 331
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:06 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
Okay for 6 hours when you aren't planning on sleeping, but certainly wouldn't cut it for a 12 hour experience.

Do AA send the A319 on any 12 hour routes? :P
 
User avatar
1337Delta764
Posts: 5951
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:02 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting N353SK (Reply 1):
I'd just like to add that putting a flight attendant call button on the seatback monitors was not a good idea!

The reading light and FA call button as part of the IFE controls is pretty standard practice on most widebody aircraft, since on some widebodies (particularly Boeings over the center section seats) putting buttons overhead would require passengers to stand up out of their seats, since the buttons would be too high. On widebodies with overhead IFE there were typically buttons on the armrests, while those with PTVs either have them on the armrest, on the PTV itself, on a remote, or in a touchscreen interface. However, the AA A319 example seems to be the first time I have heard of such setup on a narrowbody aircraft.

[Edited 2015-01-06 13:14:27]
 
DeltaXNA
Posts: 458
Joined: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:52 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:38 pm

Yeah I loved the IFE and but the leg room wasn't the best. Love the cockpit view on the flight map when landing.
 
LH707330
Posts: 2427
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:27 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 3):
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
Okay for 6 hours when you aren't planning on sleeping, but certainly wouldn't cut it for a 12 hour experience.

Do AA send the A319 on any 12 hour routes? :P

Yes, they've added the ACTs from the ACJ so they can fly P2P routes from LAX to WAW, EDI, and other destinations. That's why they have bag fees now 
 
ikramerica
Posts: 15121
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 3):

No. My point was its not an international type product despite the 4 classes and flagship service designation.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
KD5MDK
Posts: 834
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:05 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:41 am

I don't think the A319 flies any 6 hours routes for AA.
Where do they claim A319 offers Flagship service? I thought they only used that term for the A321T.
 
MAH4546
Posts: 26515
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:35 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 7):

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 3):

No. My point was its not an international type product despite the 4 classes and flagship service designation.


The AA A319 has two classes and no "flagship" designation.

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
and secondly, will more planes have the individual IFE's or will they be taken off? I don't think Parker is a big fan of them.

New narrow body deliveries, including 738s, will continue to have IFE installed at delivery. No plans to change that.
a.
 
kbmiflyer
Posts: 310
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:47 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:58 pm

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 8):
I don't think the A319 flies any 6 hours routes for AA.


Not quite 6 hours, but 5:15 gate to gate. I believe this is the longest currently scheduled A319 flight for AA.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20150106/2345Z/KDFW/SKBO
 
User avatar
yellowtail
Posts: 3938
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:46 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:04 pm

I will get my first AA 319 experience today in Y. BZE-MIA portion of my journey.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
 
LHUSA
Posts: 831
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:15 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:36 pm

I recently flew AA's A319 and was really looking forward to it. It looks very sleek and modern from from all the pics and reports I have seen. However, after boarding, the whole aircraft just felt extremely cramped, even with 40 open seats. Many of the passengers, including those traveling with me, had the same observation. I was even in an exit row seat and was more than anxious to get off after 4 hours on board. Our wifi also was not working but I did like the look of the black seats. I usually am more than happy to pay for IFE, however I wasn't really a fan of AA's content. That's more just a preference thing, as I had already seen most of the films I would have been interested in.
 
User avatar
N62NA
Posts: 4502
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:05 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 5):
Love the cockpit view on the flight map when landing.

You mean they feed live video of the landing???
 
AIRWALK
Posts: 241
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:33 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 13):
You mean they feed live video of the landing???

No, its basically the same as fr24 cockpit feature

This video shows it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RpUx3Lix88
I'm sure this thread will take off soon
 
ozark1
Topic Author
Posts: 884
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:38 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 13):
You mean they feed live video of the landing???

No. It is the flight map and you see the planes view as it approaches the airport. The airspeed is digitalized on the lower left of the screen and the altitude on the right. We were flying into JAC at night. I began noticing that we had descended to 16,000 but remained there. Sure enough the captain came on and said that the snow had become more severe and that they were attempting to plow it. He said we could circle for awhile and then would have to divert to SLC. We made it in. Those maps are incredible. You can see the runway approaching. You can view the route from either side of the airplane. I was fairly mesmerized by it during the whole flight!
 
citationjet
Posts: 2572
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:26 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
I had my first experience as a passenger on an AA319 recently. The legroom in coach was inhumane...I could not unfold the tray table

That has been my experience on every AA A319 flight in Y.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 12):
However, after boarding, the whole aircraft just felt extremely cramped, even with 40 open seats. Many of the passengers, including those traveling with me, had the same observation.

That has been my experience.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 12):
Our wifi also was not working

Same with my experience.

Since AA only uses A319s out of Wichita, I have switched to DL & UA for all my travel. Problem solved.
Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,73G,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773,788.
 
GSPSPOT
Posts: 2612
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:44 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:24 pm

I flew AA 319 on DFW-ATL a few months ago in MCE and found that very comfortable. Completely agree about the moving map - you can also magnify in with a Google Earth-like view of the land and cities below!
Great Lakes, great life.
 
lpdal
Posts: 1970
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:49 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
My questions are: Does anyone know if this 30 inch seat pitch will remain?

I don't see why they would rip it out considering how new it is.

As another poster said, if you don't like AA's 30" Y pitch, you can always fly first class, or UA, or DL. And if you can't afford alternatives, you'll have to stick it out with those thirty inches. No one is forcing you to patronize AA's business, after all.

I believe it was either Orville or Wilbur Wright who first said "If you don't like it, don't fly it!"  Wink

-LPDAL

[Edited 2015-01-07 12:19:32]
TWU represented. All of my views and posted content are mine alone, and should not be viewed as official communication from my employer, its subsidiaries thereof, or any other entities or airlines.
 
Cactus739
Posts: 2257
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:41 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:41 pm

Do the new A321,s with shark lets have this map feature?
You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
 
ozark1
Topic Author
Posts: 884
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:38 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 18):
I don't see why they would rip it out considering how new it is.

As another poster said, if you don't like AA's 30" Y pitch, you can always fly first class, or UA, or DL. And if you can't afford alternatives, you'll have to stick it out with those thirty inches. No one is forcing you to patronize AA's business, after all.

I believe it was either Orville or Wilbur Wright who first said "If you don't like it, don't fly it!"

Another typical incident on this site of being slammed on here for just asking a couple of questions. The response "If you don't like it" is completely unnecessary. Some of you would take any comment and turn it into something mean. I simply asked two questions. I made a couple of comments. I've got to learn not to take anything on here seriously.
 
User avatar
N62NA
Posts: 4502
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:05 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 14):

No, its basically the same as fr24 cockpit feature

This video shows it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RpUx3Lix88

Thanks for posting this.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 15):
No. It is the flight map and you see the planes view as it approaches the airport. The airspeed is digitalized on the lower left of the screen and the altitude on the right. We were flying into JAC at night. I began noticing that we had descended to 16,000 but remained there. Sure enough the captain came on and said that the snow had become more severe and that they were attempting to plow it. He said we could circle for awhile and then would have to divert to SLC. We made it in. Those maps are incredible. You can see the runway approaching. You can view the route from either side of the airplane. I was fairly mesmerized by it during the whole flight!

Interesting, kind of like a flight simulator I guess. If we can't have a camera with the actual view, I suppose this is the next best thing!
 
Max752
Posts: 372
Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:56 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 20):
I made a couple of comments.

I liked the question about AA possibly changing up the a319 configuration. I think it could be possible.

I completely agree with you about airliners.net. There are a lot of people who will slam you and tell "it is, what it is".
Super 80, pff, more like Stupid 80 | TravelUpdate.com & TheCollegePoints.com |
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 18527
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 18):
As another poster said, if you don't like AA's 30" Y pitch, you can always fly first class, or UA, or DL

What's wrong with 30"? It's premium Euro luxury standard  . LH's 319/320/321s are pretty much nose to tail 30".
I don't take responsibility at all
 
MAH4546
Posts: 26515
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 19):
Do the new A321,s with shark lets have this map feature?

Yes, so do the new 738s.
a.
 
ikramerica
Posts: 15121
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 9):
The AA A319 has two classes and no "flagship" designation.

I was thinking he was talking about the A321 for some reason. My bad.

38/34/30 pitch is just unacceptable all around. Compare to a 738 with 40/36/31. I guess DL is just as bad with their A319, as are Frontier, and Spirit (ouch). In the USA this aircraft is one to avoid as nobody gives you any legroom.

[Edited 2015-01-07 16:22:19]
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
coolian2
Posts: 2483
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:34 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:33 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 18):
No one is forcing you to patronize AA's business, after all.

I think patronize is the perfect phrase to be honest.
Q300/ATR72-600/737-200/-300/-400/-700/-800/A320/767-200/-300/757-200/777-300ER/
747-200/-300/-400/ER/A340-300/A380-800/MD-83/-88/CRJ-700/-900
 
jeffh747
Posts: 870
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:32 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:42 am

It definitely can't be anywhere nearly as bad as Spirit's A319s...can it? This things are flying sardine cans. I sure would hope that AA doesn't exploit every possible inch of it like NK.

Hey, at least there's entertainment!
ATR-72-600, A318 A319 A320 A320neo A321 A321neo A332 A333 B717 B727 B734 B73G B738 B739 B752 B762 B763 B772 B788 CRJ2 DHC6 DHC8-300 E145 E190 MD82 MD83 MD90 SF340B
 
DDR
Posts: 1737
Joined: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:09 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:17 am

I will have to take an A319 trip on AA now to see just how bad it is! I have heard a lot of people complain about the pitch. If the new AA really is responsive to its customers, they will eventually remove one or even two rows. It's not good when the pitch is so tight that your bread and butter business flyers can't use their laptops during the flight. Not all companies will pay for first class.
 
lpdal
Posts: 1970
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:49 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 20):
The response "If you don't like it" is completely unnecessary.

It wasn't unnecessary, and I'll tell you why: no one is forcing you to fly AA. The most simple answer to this equation is if you do not like AA, don't supply their company with your hard earned cash. Fly Delta, United, US, JetBlue, Allegiant, Southwest...But if you don't like AA, no one is saying you must fly on them.

They're not going to change the A319 interiors. They're almost brand new, why would they remove them?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
What's wrong with 30"? It's premium Euro luxury standard

Nothing is wrong with flying economy or thirty inches of pitch. However, you can't board an aircraft, sit in Y, and then complain about bad legroom, nonexistent food, or bad service. That is pretty much part of the "coach" package.

-LPDAL
TWU represented. All of my views and posted content are mine alone, and should not be viewed as official communication from my employer, its subsidiaries thereof, or any other entities or airlines.
 
MIflyer12
Posts: 9235
Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:58 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:34 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 25):
38/34/30 pitch is just unacceptable all around.

It will be like LA and Houston car traffic - people won't like it but they'll learn to put up with it - or spend a lot for alternatives.

Original NW A319 seat maps circa 2002: 35 inches in F and as little as 30 inches in Y (and that's without slimline seats).



http://web.archive.org/web/200212160...el/trave/seatm/a319200/index.shtml
 
uberflieger
Posts: 1573
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:22 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:58 am

Quoting citationjet (Reply 16):
AA only uses A319s out of Wichita

Pulled up a random date in February (19th). American is not operating a single A319 out of ICT.  
 
kl911
Posts: 3981
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:10 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
What's wrong with 30"? It's premium Euro luxury standard . LH's 319/320/321s are pretty much nose to tail 30".

Exactly. As long as you don't eat fast food everyday and sport a lot 30'' is totally acceptable and normal all over the world.
 
dank
Posts: 935
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:35 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 33):
Quoting DDR (Reply 29):

I will have to take an A319 trip on AA now to see just how bad it is! I have heard a lot of people complain about the pitch. If the new AA really is responsive to its customers, they will eventually remove one or even two rows. It's not good when the pitch is so tight that your bread and butter business flyers can't use their laptops during the flight. Not all companies will pay for first class.

Given the fact that the seats are slimline i have found that there is more knee room than in other planes with 31-32" pitch. bigger beef is that the pockets are harder to fit things in and the entertainment box takes up some of the leg rom in many seats. But I find MCE easier to get leg space on than Y+ on UA and regular economy than the UA Y. And as bad as the domestic options might be. Nothing has been worse than transpac on other DL or UA 744s for space. ugh.
 
burnsie28
Posts: 5300
Joined: Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:49 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:41 am

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 15):


No. It is the flight map and you see the planes view as it approaches the airport. The airspeed is digitalized on the lower left of the screen and the altitude on the right. We were flying into JAC at night. I began noticing that we had descended to 16,000 but remained there. Sure enough the captain came on and said that the snow had become more severe and that they were attempting to plow it. He said we could circle for awhile and then would have to divert to SLC. We made it in. Those maps are incredible. You can see the runway approaching. You can view the route from either side of the airplane. I was fairly mesmerized by it during the whole flight!

Wonder how long that will last given the inaccuracies of it. Unfortunately someone will take it too literal and when it looks like the plane is going to land in the water or short (somewhat in that video) someone is going to freak.
 
citationjet
Posts: 2572
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:26 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:36 pm

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 31):
Pulled up a random date in February (19th). American is not operating a single A319 out of ICT.

That is true. However a few weeks ago, when I was purchasing my airline tickets for travel out of ICT for 2015, all flights in and out of ICT were A319s. That made the decision easy to switch to DL & UA. I have no future travel planned on AA.
Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,73G,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773,788.
 
superjeff
Posts: 1408
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:14 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting DDR (Reply 28):
I will have to take an A319 trip on AA now to see just how bad it is! I have heard a lot of people complain about the pitch. If the new AA really is responsive to its customers, they will eventually remove one or even two rows. It's not good when the pitch is so tight that your bread and butter business flyers can't use their laptops during the flight. Not all companies will pay for first class.

I've flown these many times, now in First, MCE, and Economy. First time was Economy as there are only 3 rows of MCE. So bad I wrote AA and told them I felt the 30" pitch was brutal, because it really isn't even 30" - the seats are the ultra-high-density variety where they've moved the magazines to above the tray table (which there is not enough room to put down). I got a "real" response - not canned, and AA said they were aware of it and had been talking with "Fleet Planning". That being said, I don't see it changing, and, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the rest of the fleet deteriorate to this "standard."
 
coolian2
Posts: 2483
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:34 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 29):
It wasn't unnecessary, and I'll tell you why: no one is forcing you to fly AA. The most simple answer to this equation is if you do not like AA, don't supply their company with your hard earned cash. Fly Delta, United, US, JetBlue, Allegiant, Southwest...But if you don't like AA, no one is saying you must fly on them.

They're not going to change the A319 interiors. They're almost brand new, why would they remove them?

It's an opinion thread, and "bugger off and fly someone else" is less constructive than my earlier post that got deleted.
Q300/ATR72-600/737-200/-300/-400/-700/-800/A320/767-200/-300/757-200/777-300ER/
747-200/-300/-400/ER/A340-300/A380-800/MD-83/-88/CRJ-700/-900
 
ikramerica
Posts: 15121
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 30):
It will be like LA and Houston car traffic - people won't like it but they'll learn to put up with it - or spend a lot for alternatives.

Actually, Houston builds and widens freeways when possible. LA does no such thing, instead spending tons of money to keep the same number of lanes but make one into toll/HOV, and building no new highways.

As for the NW A319, that's my point. NOBODY in the US gives any room on the A319. I wonder if it has to do with the location of the overwing exit and how it forces cramped spacing ahead of the wing, and thus behind the wing to match.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
DDR
Posts: 1737
Joined: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:09 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 37):

Agreed. It doesn't matter that it's a new plane. If enough people complain, AA will make changes.

It does not matter that this pitch might be typical in other parts of the world. Americans are on average, larger than many Europeans or people from Asia. And even though AA is an international carrier, their domestic routes carry far more Americans than international connecting passengers.

And from some FA buddies I have over at AA, it's not just the passengers that dislike the cabin.
 
Vctony
Posts: 694
Joined: Sun Aug 01, 1999 10:51 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 38):
As for the NW A319, that's my point. NOBODY in the US gives any room on the A319. I wonder if it has to do with the location of the overwing exit and how it forces cramped spacing ahead of the wing, and thus behind the wing to match.

I've flown US Airways A319s several times. I'm slightly overweight and I find their A319s to be perfectly acceptable comfort wise. I'm afraid of flying the A319s when they get changed to the AA configuration.
 
kdhurst380
Posts: 347
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:52 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if this 30 inch seat pitch will remain?

Really?! Here's hoping you never have to fly in Europe, it's pretty standard to have anything from 28 to 30" on shorthaul flights, even longhaul economy with BA is 31" in Y.

If anybody with that kind of seat pitch has issues lowering a tray table then they're probably a little more rotund than is healthy, which is hardly the airlines fault.

[Edited 2015-01-08 16:36:34]
 
lpdal
Posts: 1970
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:49 pm

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:41 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 39):
If enough people complain, AA will make changes.

That isn't how it works at all. Most corporations take the majority of complaints with a grain of salt, perhaps issue a bit of compensation, and go back to what they're doing. See NK, they're the worst-rated airline in the US, yet they're also the most profitable with the widest margins.

As I said before, these cabins are brand new and I see no reason to replace them. If they are tight because of someone's personal weight, it is their prerogative to lose weight, not AA's prerogative because "most of the American population is larger on average" (untrue). AA should not, and I could never even see them factoring in overweight or obese passengers when designing hard products for their airplanes.

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 37):
It's an opinion thread, and "bugger off and fly someone else" is less constructive than my earlier post that got deleted.

You're right, and my opinion to get a corporation to change is "vote with your wallet". Millions of high-paying high-yield customers fly AA, and to be prefectly frank they couldn't care less about a "gang mentality" about their A319 product. If an individual constantly complains about an entity yet keeps supplying them with their hard earned money, where is the motivation for the corporation to change? The fact is that AA couldn't care less about complaints provided they're making money, so, to the extent that you want them to change the A319 30" seat pitch, you might want to stop being a regular customer at AA if you think their product is so bad. "Doing something over and over again while expecting different results is the exact definition of insanity", Albert Einstein famously said. But as I have stated eloquently throughout this thread, AA can afford to lose thousands of customers and still be profitable. Shouting from a mountaintop about how you hate "The New American", their "30" pitch in the main cabin stinks", and how the "US management team is leading the merged carrier in completely the wrong direction" yet still forking over hundreds of dollars to them is silly...

-LPDAL
TWU represented. All of my views and posted content are mine alone, and should not be viewed as official communication from my employer, its subsidiaries thereof, or any other entities or airlines.
 
User avatar
yellowtail
Posts: 3938
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:46 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:57 am

I flew it in Y yesterday. Was really cramped. Customer across from me was complaining as he was very tall.
At lest I get my return in it tommorrow in Y+
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
 
Max752
Posts: 372
Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:56 am

RE: AA A319 Seats And IFE

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 42):
If they are tight because of someone's personal weight, it is their prerogative to lose weight

It's the height not the weight.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 42):
See NK, they're the worst-rated airline in the US, yet they're also the most profitable with the widest margins.

NK is an ULCC that could careless about what people thought because they know people will fly them because the people that fly them don't want to pay for a legacy carrier's service. AA is a full service legacy carrier that has a reputation to maintain. If people can't stand the "New American's" seating, they will take a row or two out to increase pitch and legroom.
Super 80, pff, more like Stupid 80 | TravelUpdate.com & TheCollegePoints.com |

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos