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British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:59 pm

Calgary flight is circling over UK emergency. Can anyone listen in on ATC live?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:02 pm

Yep. turned back towards Heathrow after 30 mins and currently circling to the NW of heathrow at FL20
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting 675kts (Reply 1):

I assume if they are circling nothing is wrong. Not a good start to the year. Was the VS 744 in 2015 too?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:09 pm

How can you listen to ATC in the UK??

Looks like it's starting an approach now as loosing altitude and tracking towards the airport at London
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting lowbank (Reply 3):
How can you listen to ATC in the UK??

On a scanner?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:12 pm

Doesn't look as though they've circled for very long, long enough to dump enough fuel?
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:13 pm

precautionary engine shutdown, will be something and nothing thankfully.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:17 pm

If it were a 744 they would have kept going. Lol
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 2):
Was the VS 744 in 2015 too?

No; 29th December.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Successfully landed back at LHR after squawk 7700.

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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Was only a PAN not emergency. Landed safely and fire crews inspecting.
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 10):

PAX deplaned normally or evacuated by slides?
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 11):
PAX deplaned normally or evacuated by slides?

Because evacuated by slides would add to the drama?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 11):
PAX deplaned normally or evacuated by slides?

It wasn't a declared emergency so I would imagine that once the fire service completed it's inspection, they taxied and deplaned normally.

AVHerald has picked it up. No mention of evacuation.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:00 pm

Saw it on FR24. Turned back near MAN. No big drama?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:50 pm

http://www.thebasource.com/
According to this, they had to shut down an engine.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:05 pm

Quoting VS773ER (Reply 5):

Doesn't look as though they've circled for very long, long enough to dump enough fuel?


When your are down to a single major system on a large jet ( be it an engine, hydrolic or electrical system) Boeing mandates 'landing at the nearest suitable airport' in terms of time. Exceeding max landing weight is of secondary concern in this matter, provided the available landing distance is sufficient. So dumping fuel while on the way back to get closer to MLAW is good, it should not delay the landing.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
It wasn't a declared emergency so I would imagine that once the fire service completed it's inspection, they taxied and deplaned normally.

That's SOP. I've been on two flights where fire crews inspected the engine. One on a complete voluntary shut down and divert, one on an aborted departure due to irregular spool up.
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 15):

Not according to Reply 7 sometime earlier ?  
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:54 pm

Quoting lowbank (Reply 3):
How can you listen to ATC in the UK??

With a scanner. It isn't legal but no-one's going to stop you.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 19):
With a scanner. It isn't legal but no-one's going to stop you.

It is perfectly legal to listern to a scanner in the UK... what is not legal is to "act upon information received", meaning if you communicate it to A.Net etc...

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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:34 pm

What could the problem have been I wonder? Hate to see the 788 having another "teething" issue.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting joperrin89 (Reply 21):
What could the problem have been I wonder? Hate to see the 788 having another "teething" issue.

It's a MX divert, happens everyday to every aircraft type.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:47 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 22):
It's a MX divert, happens everyday to every aircraft type.

What is that exactly?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting joperrin89 (Reply 23):
What is that exactly?

Diversion to airport other than destination for a maintenance issue. MX = maintenance
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:29 am

It is too bad the laws do not allow broadcasting, liveatc.net is a great resource and would be nice to have this in the UK. Also Germany bans it.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:14 am

I know listening to ATC is illegal in Germany and the UK. What about ADIS and Flightradar posting Squawk-7700 alerts? This is not illegal?
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:03 am

I believe this is the first in-flight shutdown of the T1000 engine, the GEnx had multiple shutdowns before.
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:15 am

Quoting joperrin89 (Reply 21):
It is perfectly legal to listern to a scanner in the UK... what is not legal is to "act upon information received", meaning if you communicate it to A.Net etc...

Not legal but mostly overlooked. PPrune has a definitive explanation:

http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/206...ing-uk-atc-communications-law.html
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:54 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
I believe this is the first in-flight shutdown of the T1000 engine, the GEnx had multiple shutdowns before.

I thought there was only one GEnx in-flight shutdown during commercial service, Thomson Airways. AI @CHS was during flight test.

There are probably more known issues with GEnx than T1000 and GEnx gets more publicity.

ANA service bulletin suggests there are equal or more issues with T1000 than GEnx. Problem with "Engine control system" is a common occurrence.

https://secure.ana-g.com/anacom/cgi-bin/787/pdf/service_e.pdf
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 29):
I thought there was only one GEnx in-flight shutdown during commercial service,

Here are some other commercial flights that have had engine problems but I am unsure if the engine in the third, sixth and seventh was shut down while that in the first the engine failed and metallic debris was later collected from the runway,


On 11 September 2012 an RU 748F operating PVG-DME performed a rejected take-off after one engine failed.

On 18 June 2013 a UA 788 operating DEN-NRT shut down one engine and diverted to SEA.

On 20 June 2013 a UA 788 operating LHR-IAH diverted to EWR with an oil pressure problem in one engine.

On 13 July 2013 an RU 748F operating SVO-HKG experienced a surge in both left engines and #2 shut down but it subsequently automatically restarted.

On 8 March 2014 on a JL 788 HND-SFO flight the right engine was shut down and the aircraft diverted to HNL.

On 5 August 2014 a BY 788 operating POP-MAN shut down the right engine and diverted to TER.

On 6 August 2014 a QR DOH-CPH 788 flight diverted to ESB and a subsequent inspection showed that nearly all the oil had leaked from the left engine.

On 16 December 2014 an RJ 788 operating ORD-AMM diverted to LHR with an engine problem.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:54 pm

^All the 78X examples are GE powered? None are RR?
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting airway1 (Thread starter):
Can anyone listen in on ATC live?
Quoting lowbank (Reply 3):
How can you listen to ATC in the UK??
Quoting giancavia (Reply 4):
On a scanner?
Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 19):
With a scanner. It isn't legal but no-one's going to stop you

You can listen all you want as its pretty hard to prove it.......its technically illegal
but you cannot broadcast or propagate the information.
Hence UK ATC is not available on liveATC.com
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:21 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 31):
All the 78X examples are GE powered?

Sorry. I thought it was clear that I was replying to a suggestion that

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 29):
I thought there was only one GEnx in-flight shutdown during commercial service, Thomson Airways.

Hence my inclusion od the 748F shut downs.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:15 pm

Thanks for the info, I don't think I will invest in a scanner then.

Hopefully nothing serious with our T1000, the RR control centre will have known within minutes what the issue was.
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting lowbank (Reply 34):

Must be some piece of kit....
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 30):

Thanks for the list. I don' remember discussing these on a.net.
 
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RE: British Airways 787 Emergency

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:50 pm

It's one place I want to visit next time I am in Derby if it's allowed. The monitor centre where all the data comes in live from all the engines I have only seen in photos.
It's my mission for 2015 to get in and visit.
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