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BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:21 pm

I was looking at FlightAware and on the 4th of January they have BA148 scheduled at 5h having a massive duration of over 7 hours. What would cause the flight to be this long? I have flown this route many many times and the longest I remember is bordering on 6 hours due to fog at Heathrow but I didn't realise an A321 could fly for this long.
Does anybody have any information?

Beirut Air Base/Rafic Hariri Int'l (Beirut Int'l) (OLBA / BEY)
London Heathrow (EGLL / LHR)
Terminal 1
08:48 EET
13:52 GMT
Scheduled: 08:35 EET
7-day average: 08:39 EET
Scheduled: 13:54 GMT
7-day average: 14:04 GMT

Duration: 7 hours 4 minutes
Sunday, 4 January 2015
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
but I didn't realise an A321 could fly for this long.

BMED used to use them to THR IIRC. 6.5-7 hrs.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:41 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
BMED used to use them to THR IIRC. 6.5-7 hrs.

But didn't they use to refuel at Baku or Tbilisi on the way?
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:41 pm

That's a long flight but I wondered why the flight time would be an additional 2 hours. Could it really be wind?
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
I have flown this route many many times and the longest I remember is bordering on 6 hours due to fog at Heathrow but I didn't realise an A321 could fly for this long.

Both AA and US fly TCON routes in the U.S. that are consistently above 6 hours. 7 hours is pushing it but still within the capability of the A321, depending on load.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:58 pm

Oof. Seven hours on a narrow body. I frequently fly BOS-SAN and I am used to that 6 hour flight, but an extra hour on a cramped 3x3 plane may kill me
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 5):
I frequently fly BOS-SAN and I am used to that 6 hour flight, but an extra hour on a cramped 3x3 plane may kill me

You kids have no stamina.
I have flown Air Jamaica LHR to KIN on a DC8 and we thought nothing of it.
and I regularly flew LHR to Bahrain on VC10s. What is wrong with a narrowbody.
In fact my best flight was on Concorde and thats really narrow  
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:27 pm

There are two copies of this thread, Here is my reply from the other copy:

Flight24 shows that this flight on 4 January was operated by 321 G-MEDN. It shows that the aircraft departed BEY 112 minutes late at 08:27 UTC. It shows that it arrived at LHR 111 minutes late at 13:51 UTC. So the elapsed flight time was 5 hrs 24 mins compared to a scheduled 5 hrs 25 nins.

I have not checked Flightaware but it looks as if its data is all but comparing the scheduled departure time with the actual arrival time.

There have been weather delays recently at BEY. So, for example, the BA LHR-BEY flight on 6 January operated by the same aircraft diverted to LCA before continuing to BEY where it arrived just over three hours late. So the weather in the Lebanon could be the cause of the late departure of the 4 January flight.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 5):
Oof. Seven hours on a narrow body. I frequently fly BOS-SAN and I am used to that 6 hour flight, but an extra hour on a cramped 3x3 plane may kill me

This is what BA describe as a mid-haul A321. So it has the Club World lie-flat seats in J and World Traveller seats in Y. Still an A321 though.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:42 pm

Firstly, the actual flight time is not 7 hours given the block time is 5h 25m. Secondly, most of the time the actual flight time is around 5 hours give or take 15 minutes.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
BMED used to use them to THR IIRC. 6.5-7 hrs.

The flew to Tehran's IKA not THR.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2):
But didn't they use to refuel at Baku or Tbilisi on the way?

Not routinely, though they did some crew swap stops during a period of political tiff between Iran and UK. I flew LHR-IKA and IKA-LHR back in 2009 and both ways were nonstop. The flights were rather uncomfortable and crammed. A great contrast to nice comfy IR A300 and B747 flights that I have taken on the same route.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:01 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
Flight24 shows that this flight on 4 January was operated by 321 G-MEDN. It shows that the aircraft departed BEY 112 minutes late at 08:27 UTC. It shows that it arrived at LHR 111 minutes late at 13:51 UTC. So the elapsed flight time was 5 hrs 24 mins compared to a scheduled 5 hrs 25 nins.

Ah, perhaps I should have checked Flight24. I was going by Flight Aware only. They stated that the aircraft was scheduled to depart at 0835 but actually departed at 08:48- just over 10 minutes late. That's why I thought it wasn't just a delay and perhaps longer due to weather or re routing etc.

Quoting andy33 (Reply 8):
This is what BA describe as a mid-haul A321. So it has the Club World lie-flat seats in J and World Traveller seats in Y.

You're right. The Midhaul is a lot more comfortable than the normal A321s (although BEY still gets a few of these when a mid haul goes tech!) The Business class cabin is great and the economy is good too.
Still hoping that BEY would see BA wide-bodied service at some point- WTP would be tempting!

I know that most long haul travel back in the day was carried out by single aisle airliners but surely they were specifically engineered to have long ranges. I thought the A321 was a relatively mid haul airliner?
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:06 pm

Narrowbody or widebody, it's the same. You get the same type of seat, the same personal space... just fewer people sharing the same metal tube. Flew KEF-SEA in a 757 and at no point did I think "Oh god, I'm in a narrowbody!"
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:08 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 11):
The Midhaul is a lot more comfortable than the normal A321s (although BEY still gets a few of these when a mid haul goes tech!)

I don't believe the other A321 can reach BEY. The Midhaul have an extra fuel tank. I have seen BA ordinary A320 to the middle east, but not A321.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6):
You kids have no stamina.
I have flown Air Jamaica LHR to KIN on a DC8 and we thought nothing of it.
and I regularly flew LHR to Bahrain on VC10s. What is wrong with a narrowbody.
In fact my best flight was on Concorde and thats really narrow

The space in the seats probably was a tad more on those planes (excluding Concorde) than it is these days. Plus, people are larger, too.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:52 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6):
You kids have no stamina.
I have flown Air Jamaica LHR to KIN on a DC8 and we thought nothing of it.
and I regularly flew LHR to Bahrain on VC10s. What is wrong with a narrowbody.

I never got what's so wrong with a narrowbody for a longer flight. Granted I can see how some might be less claustrophobic if they like to see the opposite wall further away from them, but other than that I don't see a difference.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting a300 (Reply 10):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
BMED used to use them to THR IIRC. 6.5-7 hrs.

The flew to Tehran's IKA not THR.

I'm pretty sure they flew to Mehrabad as well.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
Narrowbody or widebody, it's the same. You get the same type of seat, the same personal space

Actually, on an A321 you get wider seats than on some widebodies  
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:14 pm

The region has had some stormy weather including heavy rain and wind bursts between 70 and 100 kmph
This may be the cause of the delay.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:14 pm

I do confirm.

Very very very strong headwind when heading West at the moment all over Europe.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:36 pm

QR operates A320 from DOH to GVA. The QR103 to GVA is scheduled at 7:10.
Allthough the actual flying time varies, but according to fligthaware some flights have been clocked at 7:04
Not sure if this is the longest non-stop 320 flight.
Seems the most common aircraft on that route are A7-AHY, AHW and AHX all with sharklets.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:27 am

Ive flown the route in the spring, summer and fall. It's always been under 6 hours (usually something like 5 HR 30 MIN) to LHR from BEY. The wind must be very strong to add an extra hour flying time.

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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:43 am

Could this duration be combined with a delay the flight might have been affected with due to the current severe weather conditions ? I think that there is something wrong with the application itself, as the duration of the actual flight is approx 5:15 hr and the return is 4:45hr.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:58 am

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 20):

The longest A320 non-stop flight is GF's BAH-CDG flight which has a duration of 7:15 minutes.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 13):
I don't believe the other A321 can reach BEY. The Midhaul have an extra fuel tank. I have seen BA ordinary A320 to the middle east, but not A321.

On rare occasions BA have operated their short-haul 321s to the Middle East but only with a refuelling stop. I believe the last time was on 24 July 2014 when G-EUXL operated the LHR-BEY-LHR rotation. It made a filed stop at BUD to refuel. Scroll down to the 24th entry here:

http://www.thebasource.com/2014/07/page/2/

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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:49 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 5):
Oof. Seven hours on a narrow body. I frequently fly BOS-SAN and I am used to that 6 hour flight, but an extra hour on a cramped 3x3 plane may kill me

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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:44 am

Quoting a300 (Reply 10):
The flew to Tehran's IKA not THR.

I must correct you they used it to THR also.  


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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:03 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
Narrowbody or widebody, it's the same. You get the same type of seat, the same personal space... just fewer people sharing the same metal tube. Flew KEF-SEA in a 757 and at no point did I think "Oh god, I'm in a narrowbody!"


planes for short haul usually have less personal space, less legroom and so on.
Apart from that there is no difference.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:30 pm

quite often in the winter i've had (twice in dec) JFK-SFO on the AA A321 exceed 6:30 -- not horrible when you include time actually ON the plane nearing 7 or 8hrs.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting RJ321 (Reply 23):
The longest A320 non-stop flight is GF's BAH-CDG flight which has a duration of 7:15 minutes.

Ah almost  
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:48 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
Actually, on an A321 you get wider seats than on some widebodies

You haven't flown AA's A321s, apparently.
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 15):
I never got what's so wrong with a narrowbody for a longer flight. Granted I can see how some might be less claustrophobic if they like to see the opposite wall further away from them, but other than that I don't see a difference.


Two aisles make moving around the cabin easier. Widebodies also have a higher percentage of seats with direct aisle access, for example 50% of Y seats on a 2-4-2 A330/340 and 57% on a 2-3-2 767, compared to only 33.3% on a 3-3 narrowbody. Also often more overhead bin space per seat.

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
I was looking at FlightAware and on the 4th of January they have BA148 scheduled at 5h having a massive duration of over 7 hours.

FlightAware is often wrong.
 
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RE: BA148 BEY-LHR In 7 Hours On A321?

Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Widebodies also have a higher percentage of seats with direct aisle access

yes, but narrowbodies have a higher percentage of window seats. A question of personal taste.

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