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New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:32 pm

Just sharing a few pics I took the other day
 
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Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:39 pm

Nice - thanks for posting!
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Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:41 pm

When do they begin assembling planes?! Will it be the A320 or the A321 that's first in line?
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 2):

Firs tin the line will be the a321. First plane off the line will go to JetBlue.  
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 2):

First frame is to be an A321 in a change to the original plan for it to be an A320

Late this year the first airframes begin construction with deliveries starting in early 2016
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:21 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 3):
Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 4):

Thank you guys   Can't wait for the first A321 with test registration N.... 
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:12 am

Construction goes really fast, we can see significant changes on a monthly basis.
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RE: New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:32 am

Will we see the current Beluga's supporting this line or will all components be shipped over?

When is the A330 Beluga due to come online?
 
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RE: New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting Liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
Will we see the current Beluga's supporting this line or will all components be shipped over?

Sea shipment, the Beluga's won't fly to Mobile.

Quoting Liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
When is the A330 Beluga due to come online?

2019
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:13 pm

Do we know how many per month will be built?

How many do each of the other factories produce?
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:26 pm

Wow!!
That's THREE factories building A320 family aircraft!
Or is it four?
How many have Boeing got assembling 737s?
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:35 pm

Does anybody know if they will be applying the standard 320 assembly method to this new plant, or will they adapt the new method for assembling fuse plugs and wing used for the A350
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:38 pm

Quoting 777X (Reply 9):
Do we know how many per month will be built?

Four per month, with a maximum capacity of eight per month.
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 5):
Can't wait for the first A321 with test registration N

Christ, yeah. How about Boeing making stuff in Europe?
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:40 pm

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 10):
That's THREE factories building A320 family aircraft!
Or is it four?

If I'm not mistaken, it's four. One in Hamburg, Toulouse, China and now the US.
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:52 pm

Airbus and Boeing have found the new manufacturer's nirvana, the southern states of the US. Why would Boeing manufacture aircraft on a continent that Airbus is desperate to leave? When some of my fellow brethren yell, "The South WILL RISE AGAIN", I don't think they realized it would come in a manufacturing way!
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:05 pm

Quoting CX747 (Reply 15):
Why would Boeing manufacture aircraft on a continent that Airbus is desperate to leave?

Which continent would that be?
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 13):
How about Boeing making stuff in Europe?

What would be the benefit in that? I don't think the currency swings would be too appealing in addition to the higher costs vs the US South. If Boeing would build outside the US I would think it would be somewhere in Asia.

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Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:14 pm

I find it ironic that the part of the country that is bloated with "American pride" is allowing a socialist European company, chief competitor to our country's pride and joy, Boeing, to open an assembly line on their soil.
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 18):
a socialist European company

I'm tempted to ask how you define "a socialist company", but probably it is better for this thread if you don't answer. I don't have to understand everything  
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:55 pm

Where do I send them my CV?
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:00 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 19):
I'm tempted to ask how you define "a socialist company", but probably it is better for this thread if you don't answer. I don't have to understand everything  

I'm being sarcastic.
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 21):
I'm being sarcastic.

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Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:35 pm

What a world we live in today. Airbus was formed by European governments via European tax payer finances. That company, using European tax payer funds for over 30 years gains major relevance within the aerospace community. Upon gaining relevance in the aerospace community, the company becomes privately held. Upon becoming privately held, it takes its $$$ and puts it to work employing Americans.
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting CX747 (Reply 23):

What a world we live in today. Airbus was formed by European governments via European tax payer finances. That company, using European tax payer funds for over 30 years gains major relevance within the aerospace community. Upon gaining relevance in the aerospace community, the company becomes privately held. Upon becoming privately held, it takes its $$$ and puts it to work employing Americans.

I'll take it! Thank you Europe!
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting CX747 (Reply 23):

You realise Airbus was formed out of existing European manufacturers, right?
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:24 pm

This is a typical Business Decision. Happens in many Branches.

Mercedes, BMW, VW, prodice in the US since more then a dacade.
Then Toyota, Honda even longer- since some decades.

Other US american companies are producing in China, Europe, South America, Korea since ages. Look at Automotive.

I don't know why Boeing is not doing it. Management hesitation, low risk calculation, no immediate quarter year results for the stock markets, Military protection? Many reasons can be there.

Boeing is rather an exception then the rule.

Anyone with other reasons?

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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:32 pm

Sure will be interesting to drive by the old Brookley AFB site on I-10 next year! I grew up in Mobile and can just barely remember when the Air Force was still active at that site.
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):
I don't know why Boeing is not doing it. Management hesitation, low risk calculation, no immediate quarter year results for the stock markets, Military protection? Many reasons can be there.

Boeing is rather an exception then the rule.

Anyone with other reasons?

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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):

I don't know why Boeing is not doing it.

Because they are starting up a 3rd assembly line in the 4-82 building in Renton. They currently have 42 planes being produced on 2 assembly lines (1 in 4-81 and 1 in 4-82) and the 3rd can add a good amount of planes per month (which at maximum output can do 21 each line so 63 maximum). The MAX line is starting on the 3rd assembly line when it starts cranking out planes. But it'll be a while before Renton will cap out their maximum production capacity. There is a separate line in an adjoining building that is dedicated to P-8A work so I assume once the P-8 is depleted, that could possibly be converted to a commercial line.

With that, it doesn't make sense to make another location when there's plenty of capacity to work with at Renton.
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 13):
How about Boeing making stuff in Europe?
Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):
I don't know why Boeing is not doing it. Management hesitation, low risk calculation, no immediate quarter year results for the stock markets, Military protection? Many reasons can be there.

Boeing is rather an exception then the rule.

Anyone with other reasons?

Don't forget that the Charleston final assembly line has only been open about 4 years. Before that, all final assembly was done in Washington, since Long Beach closed, right?

It was a major step to open an assembly line outside of Washington. And also move the headquarters to Chicago.

All that said, remember that we are only talking about final assembly. Major components of all Boeing and Airbus planes are made all over the world already.
 
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:31 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 30):
Major components of all Boeing and Airbus planes are made all over the world already.

        

The design functions are usually distributed worldwide too. The following text is taken from Wikipedia about the Boeing 747LCF Dreamlifter:

"The LCF conversion was partially designed by Boeing's Moscow bureau and Boeing Rocketdyne with the swing tail designed in partnership with Gamesa Aeronáutica of Spain. Modifications were carried out in Taiwan by Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation, a joint venture of Evergreen Group's EVA Air and General Electric."

Meanwhile, Spirit in the US has built a whole new factory to supply CFRP skins and major sub-assemblies to Airbus for the A350

Many Americans see Airbus as "French" but in fact all modern commercial aircraft are truly international in content. If an aerospace company has a nationallity it is where the head office of the group is located - that would technically make Airbus er... Dutch!
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RE: New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:19 am

Wow! I was just sharing pics of a few buildings, not trying to start an international debate! Nevertheless, it's been pretty cool to watch it all go from a grassy field to a huge manufacturing arena in the short time it's been.
 
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Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:32 am

Can't wait to see the first "Bama Bus!"
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Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:35 am

Maybe, just maybe this will slow down the B v A arguments  
 
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Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 32):
Wow! I was just sharing pics of a few buildings, not trying to start an international debate! Nevertheless, it's been pretty cool to watch it all go from a grassy field to a huge manufacturing arena in the short time it's been.

I'm with you. Good pics, thank you.  

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Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:41 am

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):
Anyone with other reasons?

I would say Unions play a big part in the decision, but as others have pointed out the main reason is they don't have to-- their current structure maximizes efficiency.

I do seem to recall some news a few years back though that they acknowledged the need to have more production outside of Puget Sound from a risk management perspective.

How many of the sub-assemblies for either manufacturer are produced in multiple locations? You might not gain much in terms of risk profile.
 
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Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 17):
What would be the benefit in that? I don't think the currency swings would be too appealing in addition to the higher costs vs the US South. If Boeing would build outside the US I would think it would be somewhere in Asia.

tortugamon

Agreed. But Boeing has virtually done that via a global supply chain.

Or also in the US South... Boeing does need to reduce their risks including strike costs...

Quoting ual777 (Reply 33):

Can't wait to see the first "Bama Bus!"

   I can't believe I hadn't heard that before, its great!

Quoting DDR (Reply 34):

Maybe, just maybe this will slow down the B v A arguments

  



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RE: New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:45 pm

Airbus released some aerial pictures on Facebook as well  
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s....1073741901.146951945345633&type=1
 
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Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 17):
What would be the benefit in that? I don't think the currency swings would be too appealing

IMO you have it correct here. It is about the best hedge Airbus can make. It has nothing to do with some peoples perception of resistant by Americans to non American craft.

Currently Airbus sells in dollars and buys in Euro, which means movements in the Euro/dollar can profoundly effect the margins. Of course they hedge by holding dollars and other means, and they normally do a pretty good job but it is imperfect.

By buying and selling in the same (major) currency, they effectively have as good a hedge as they can get.

It is probably not the case now, but it used to be said that half the value of an Airbus craft comes from the USA.

Against that, I would have thought that the extra fixed costs of operating 4 lines for the same aircraft, would be substantial. (but I am guessing)

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RE: New Pics Of Airbus Assembly Line Mobile

Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:32 pm

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 10):
Wow!!
That's THREE factories building A320 family aircraft!
Or is it four?
How many have Boeing got assembling 737s?

That Boeing can produce the same amount of planes in one factory has to have an affect on costs. It would be interesting to see how many employees it takes to assemble the parts and support the factories between the two.

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):
Other US american companies are producing in China, Europe, South America, Korea since ages. Look at Automotive.

I don't know why Boeing is not doing it. Management hesitation, low risk calculation, no immediate quarter year results for the stock markets, Military protection? Many reasons can be there.

Boeing is rather an exception then the rule.

Anyone with other reasons?

Boeing is doing it, their sub-assemblies are made all over the world. They also have very efficient lines, a few dollars in labor probably won't cover other higher fixed costs.

What are the reasons they should move production overseas?

Quoting N328KF (Reply 28):
Airbus manufacturing in China is a political decision, not economic. Airbus manufacturing in Alabama is both.

There is no way to disassociate the economics, they built it for the contracts. Of what political use is a Chinese plant if not for economic reasons? Especially with Europeans?
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 40):
There is no way to disassociate the economics, they built it for the contracts. Of what political use is a Chinese plant if not for economic reasons? Especially with Europeans?

Politics is long-term; economics are a much shorter horizon. Hoping to win future contracts is politics, not economics.
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:32 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 23):
What a world we live in today. Airbus was formed by European governments via European tax payer finances. That company, using European tax payer funds for over 30 years gains major relevance within the aerospace community. Upon gaining relevance in the aerospace community, the company becomes privately held. Upon becoming privately held, it takes its $$$ and puts it to work employing Americans.

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