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Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:08 am

Hainan Airlines submitted application with the DOT to add service between Shanghai PVG and Boston.

HU says it seeks to link the two cities - thrice weekly commencing second quarter of 2015 utilizing 787 aircraft.

Interestingly, HU supplied an estimated traffic/financial forecast for the route that shows that incurring a $3 mil loss the first year of service while carrying almost 28,000 people in the market.


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Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:28 am

The hot streak BOS is on continues! 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:33 am

Wow. Thats another new Asia addition. BOS now has:

JL - NRT
CX - HKG
HU - PEK, PVG

Pretty good for an east coast city!
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:39 am

Impressive addition-- Asia is clearly doing well for Boston. Wonder if a US carrier is going to hop in the mix anytime soon.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 3):
Wonder if a US carrier is going to hop in the mix anytime soon.

Not happening unless B6 gets widebodies in 2025 - for example a certain airline who just lost a HND slot would rather compete with three other airlines on a PVG route than think outside the box.
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 4):
Not happening unless B6 gets widebodies in 2025 - for example a certain airline who just lost a HND slot would rather compete with three other airlines on a PVG route than think outside the box.

I wonder if B6 joined an alliance and could no longer freely code share if all this service would go POOF.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:55 am

Well, if this was announced in 2014. BOS would've won airport of the year in the US!  

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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:58 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
I wonder if B6 joined an alliance and could no longer freely code share if all this service would go POOF.

I've heard two stories - 1)the service comes because of B6 and 2) the B6 feed is just gravy.

What I know for sure - these HU flights consist of mostly China originating traffic and wouldn't be affected. The BOS-PEK flights don't connect that well with many B6 flights in BOS.
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:16 am

Here's the application sent to the DOT.

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf92/434.pdf
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:07 am

Just one pending to fulfill Massport quest to have a direct flight to Brazil - Go Boston - you can do it!  
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 3):
Wonder if a US carrier is going to hop in the mix anytime soon.

Only if Open Skies becomes a reality between US-China. Then the US partner airline may get involved with the existing Chinese carriers in the market and share in the BOS-Asia happiness going around.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:47 am

Wow BOS continues its run! Good for them
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:03 am

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 3):
Wonder if a US carrier is going to hop in the mix anytime soon.

Doesn't AA have authority to fly BOS-NRT?
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Doesn't AA have authority to fly BOS-NRT?

AA can't even make ORD-NRT work on a daily basis, no chance they would start this flight. Further, it would be competing with their OW (possible JV?) partner JL's daily non-stop. Don't see it happening
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Doesn't AA have authority to fly BOS-NRT?

Japan-US is open skies.

AA wouldn't bother flying it due to joint venture with JL who already flies the route with what is the right type of plane for it.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:07 am

Seems like a fairly short lead time if the application was just filed for a route that starts in 2Q15.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:56 am

Strange move for HU considering their lack of a PVG hub. I'm not placing high expectations on this lasting too long, without connections on at least one end. Maybe the sheer size of both cities will see it through.

I'm willing to bet that MU would have snatched this up years ago, if only they had a craft fit for it, with the 332 too low of range and the 77W too large.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:28 pm

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 15):
Seems like a fairly short lead time if the application was just filed for a route that starts in 2Q15.

Looks like 6/20 is the start (if and when approved) so the end of Q2-2015

Quoting S75752 (Reply 16):
Strange move for HU considering their lack of a PVG hub. I'm not placing high expectations on this lasting too long, without connections on at least one end

I'm optimistic though it looks like both PEK and PVG will lose money in late winter/early spring (790 round trips!!!). These flights are geared for the Chinese tourist and to bring the students back and forth from MIT/Harvard/BU/etc. Interesting statistic- Only 1.8 percent of young Chinese do not travel http://www.ecns.cn/2015/01-12/150334.shtml

Don't know times yet so we can't say this won't be timed for any B6 feed in BOS.

I wonder if HU will start advertising themselves as "Boston's Chinese Airline" with the way things are going.
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:10 pm

They project losing money even with all the financial help Massport will give them?
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 18):
They project losing money even with all the financial help Massport will give them?

  
Combine lack of Chinese connections with industry wide ASM increase and it's not surprising HU expects losing money, despite Massport route incentives.
But who isn't going to lose money to PVG in 2015? Cheap oil is minimizing losses, while creating an opportunity for the airlines to position themselves for the future in the crucial China market.
We may be in for a couple more surprises.  
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:24 pm

That's an odd carrier for the route. Is this the first time Hainan flies long-haul out of PVG? I would have expected China Eastern to fly to BOS.
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 17):

I'm optimistic though it looks like both PEK and PVG will lose money in late winter/early spring (790 round trips!!!). These flights are geared for the Chinese tourist and to bring the students back and forth from MIT/Harvard/BU/etc. Interesting statistic- Only 1.8 percent of young Chinese do not travel http://www.ecns.cn/2015/01-12/150334.shtml

Don't know times yet so we can't say this won't be timed for any B6 feed in BOS.

I don't feel so optimistic about it given the pure lack of connections on either side. Does HU even codeshare or interline with B6, for starters?

I'd bet on MU snatching this up when HU cowers out eventually. HU probably just saw some odd potential and decided to snatch it up before MU has the right craft to. I think HU would be better off sticking to their tried and true PEK.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 21):
Does HU even codeshare or interline with B6, for starters?

Yes B6 and AA interlines are bookable on HU's site- so we need to wait and see what the schedule looks like. It probably will connect ok with the higher frequency B6/AA flights (5 daily and up) in BOS (i.e. PHL, BWI, DCA, JFK, EWR, FLL, MIA, DFW, CLT)
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:01 pm

Any word on Hainan plans to fly to New York? I have not heard anything sense their announcement last summer.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 18):

They project losing money even with all the financial help Massport will give them?

Not clear if that is factored into the numbers or not. Also - Massport may or may not have approved airlines to receive incentives for less than 4x weekly flights.
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 4):
for example a certain airline who just lost a HND slot would rather compete with three other airlines on a PVG route than think outside the box.

No official decision has been made on the HND slot, IINM.

Also, whenever that "certain airline" does think outside of the box, you people label it as a "dartboard strategy".... make up your minds.
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:44 pm

US airlines have missed the boat in JFK - Asia and it looks like they are missing the boat in BOS too. They rather make people connect on money losing services from DFW or ORD.

Yet the O and D to NY and BOS to China is large. Huge from NYC. Good for the Asian carriers for capitalizing on this! Let Delta fly from ATL or SEA.
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 26):
They rather make people connect on money losing services from DFW or ORD.
Yet the O and D to NY and BOS to China is large. Huge from NYC.

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Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 26):
US airlines have missed the boat in JFK - Asia and it looks like they are missing the boat in BOS too.

I factor in one key thing: the financial turmoil the US flag carriers were in throughout the early-to-mid 2000s prevented them from placing orders for the types of aircraft that would make long-and-thin routes viable. International flag carriers, by and large, beat them to the punch. The so-called 'first-mover' advantage is worth something.
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:01 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 26):
US airlines have missed the boat in JFK - Asia and it looks like they are missing the boat in BOS too. They rather make people connect on money losing services from DFW or ORD.

If U.S. carriers were to operate JFK-East Asia, they'd lose money on most of those routes. They're unlikely to draw enough traffic to make the routes work entirely on O&D alone, and JFK is very poorly located as a connecting hub to Asia from the U.S. The Asian carriers have a substantial advantage with their own well-located connecting hubs. And BOS is even worse in terms of geography to Asia and connecting markets.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:11 pm

Maybe with a cheap barrel of oil, we're going to see more marginal adds like this one. Now that we have the rather frivilous BOS-PVG add, we can start looking out for BOS-PER, BOS-SYD, BOS-MNL and BOS-HKG
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting LH491 (Reply 30):
rather frivilous BOS-PVG a

Funny you call it frivolous (spelled it wrong by the way) when BOS-PVG has historically been within +/- 10% of BOS-PEK.

In 2011, it was definitely the larger market AND its the larger business market for sure.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:23 pm

Quoting LH491 (Reply 30):
Now that we have the rather frivilous BOS-PVG add, we can start looking out for BOS-PER, BOS-SYD, BOS-MNL and BOS-HKG

BOS-HKG has already been announced. It starts in three-and-a-half months.
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:07 pm

BOS must be the only city in the US connected to Japan and China BUT NOT South Korea. Surprised KE hasn't jumped in here and provided some Skyteam BOS-Asia connections
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 33):

Very surprising indeed. Specially when you consider that South Koreans are obsessed with higher-education, and there are tons of SK students in the area (they are usually on top 5 among number of foreign students in most colleges/grad schools)

[Edited 2015-01-15 13:06:00]
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 33):
Surprised KE hasn't jumped in here and provided some Skyteam BOS-Asia connections

They flew there once, as did they DEN. So I'm sure they're monitoring the market.

That said, I too am surprised that they haven't shown up there yet. Maybe they don't feel like they have the right aircraft: 772ER too big, A332 not enough payload, or something.
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Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 7):
I've heard two stories - 1)the service comes because of B6 and 2) the B6 feed is just gravy.
What I know for sure - these HU flights consist of mostly China originating traffic and wouldn't be affected. The BOS-PEK flights don't connect that well with many B6 flights in BOS.

I think it depends a lot on the route. china is predominantly O&D so B6 feed is almost irrelevant. DXB for example is not O&D so feed is important.

In my opinion PVG is close enough to HKG that I suspect the route will struggle with competition from CX and AA. But then again I could be wrong.
 
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Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 36):
In my opinion PVG is close enough to HKG that I suspect the route will struggle with competition from CX and AA. But then again I could be wrong.

I think you are right in terms of grabbing USA originating traffic especially those who are in AAdvantage, Avios or Asia Miles.
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Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 33):
BOS must be the only city in the US connected to Japan and China BUT NOT South Korea.

B6 has a codeshare with Korean airlines based on this article: http://blog.jetblue.com/index.php/20...28/now-partnering-with-korean-air/

It seems most likely for Korean to enter BOS correct?
 
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Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 38):
It seems most likely for Korean to enter BOS correct?

We've been waiting for KE's return for a while. Looks like they are happy with the DL code share for now, via JFK.
 
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Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:22 am

Also to stay on topic - HU's first full month (July 2014) on BOS-PEK had a 88.4% load factor on 23 roundtrips.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 38):
B6 has a codeshare with Korean airlines based on this article: http://blog.jetblue.com/index.php/20...28/now-partnering-with-korean-air/

It seems most likely for Korean to enter BOS correct?



Its interline only but if they or the other Korean carrier OZ are not here within 3 years I'll be shocked. OZ is supposed to get A350's in 2016 and also interlines with B6.
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Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:38 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 38):
It seems most likely for Korean to enter BOS correct?

Very much doubt it. Korean would need feed to make the route work, especially from China. With the industry wide ASM increase USA-China this year, which will cause ticket prizes to plummet, ICN-BOS does not look like a winning proposition.
 
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Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:18 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 26):
US airlines have missed the boat in JFK - Asia and it looks like they are missing the boat in BOS too. They rather make people connect on money losing services from DFW or ORD.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 29):
If U.S. carriers were to operate JFK-East Asia, they'd lose money on most of those routes. They're unlikely to draw enough traffic to make the routes work entirely on O&D alone, and JFK is very poorly located as a connecting hub to Asia from the U.S. The Asian carriers have a substantial advantage with their own well-located connecting hubs.

This does not square with the fact that UA (legacy CO) has been flying from EWR to HKG, PVG, PEK and NRT for a long time, presumably profitably. It is not clear to me why the same logic wouldn't apply to DL at JFK, beyond their daily NRT flight to their mini-hub there.

In the case of AA, they seem to have surrendered their significant O/D market in NYC to Asian partners -- NRT to JV partner JL, and HKG to CX. It is worth noting that CX operates 5 daily flights to NYC (4XJFK, 1XEWR), the most frequencies by one carrier between a US city and Asia; if you add the UA flight from EWR, NYC-HKG is the biggest city-pair between the US and Asia. It's a huge market with lots of premium passengers, which makes one wonder if AA will want to tap into it with their own metal at some point.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:36 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 41):
Korean would need feed to make the route work, especially from China.

You have to potential to get more feed - a lot of 2-stop destinations become 1-stop with a flight to ICN.

ICN offers a lot more connectivity than the other Asia hubs currently serving about to be served from BOS. KE also serves destinations in China that HU heck there's Japanese destinations served by KE at ICN that aren't even served at NRT though with small traffic to BOS.

I do agree with your point about China yields plummeting after seeing the 700 dollar fares on AA. Scary that HU rarely goes below 800. However - HU does not discount in peak season on BOS-PEK. Their cheapest roundtrip is $1573.

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 41):
ICN-BOS does not look like a winning proposition.

Also, one would think that KE or OZ would get a decent fare premium on BOS-ICN: a market that would be stimulated from the 60 or so people traveling the route each day.

Finally - There's been a rumor of Samsung wanting to build a facility in Cambridge too.
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Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:31 am

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 42):
if you add the UA flight from EWR, NYC-HKG is the biggest city-pair between the US and Asia.

Yeah, but sort've assumes that all of that traffic is O&D between either city, which it certainly isn't.

In fact, CX added EWR in large part to attack the premium transfer traffic left behind by BR+SQ's exit; that could just as easily go (and in fact was going) through other markets.
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Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:46 am

A bit too late. HU would have had a first-mover advantage if they did it when they said they would ...

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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:41 pm

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 41):
Very much doubt it. Korean would need feed to make the route work, especially from China.

And they would. I think especially for Boston originating traffic they would preferre KE/ICN over HU/PEK. Nevertheless, as mentioned 2 posts above, there's a lot of feed via ICN that neither HU not JL can provide, especially to/from SE Asia.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 43):

I do agree with your point about China yields plummeting after seeing the 700 dollar fares on AA. Scary that HU rarely goes below 800. However - HU does not discount in peak season on BOS-PEK. Their cheapest roundtrip is $1573.

No one discounts in peak season, that's why it's called peak season   The reason for the plummeting yields is due to the fact that Chinese carriers don't charge exorbitant fuel surcharges, which has become a source of revenue that a lot of other carriers are now dependent on, even as the cost of fuel plummets.
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:55 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 21):
I don't feel so optimistic about it given the pure lack of connections on either side. Does HU even codeshare or interline with B6, for starters?

Yes, they do although as pointed out earlier HU is less dependent on this and more O&D. The increase over the holidays of BOS-PEK to daily and then a few days 2x daily can attest to the tourist and more importantly college student demand on this route.

BOS-PVG will be 3x week at roughly the same time as BOS-PEK (which increases to daily May 1), departing BOS only 20min apart - so this summer, 3 days a week we'll see 2 HU 788s in BOS at the same time  
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 47):
BOS-PVG will be 3x week at roughly the same time as BOS-PEK (which increases to daily May 1), departing BOS only 20min apart

Have you seen a proposed schedule?
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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RE: Hainan Applies For PVG-BOS

Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:14 pm

What are the O&D numbers for BOS-PVG? I'm honestly a bit surprised by this move due to HU's relatively small presence in PVG, but I guess HU has little to lose and lots to possibly gain if this works.

Quoting HKG212 (Reply 42):
if you add the UA flight from EWR, NYC-HKG is the biggest city-pair between the US and Asia.

How are you defining biggest? I could be wrong, but I believe HNL- and LAX-TYO both have more O&D traffic and more daily flights.

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