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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 96):
Well I guess it would be good for the consumer as fast rail cheaper

Thinking about it again, I don't think it would be much of a threat to the provincial airports. The rail link would probably stop in every town and require a change at Heuston/Connolly and be slower than by road (as is often the case with Limerick-Dublin and Limerick-Galway trains today).

On a completely irrelevant note, when did Iarnród Éireann start marketing themselves as "Irish Rail"? And Bord Gáis Networks changing to "Gas Networks Ireland"? Nothing wrong with preserving the what little Gaeilge we have left!
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:57 am

New weekly service between Paris-Dublin-Halifax with Europe Airpost this summer. Passengers can be carried on both legs.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...een_Dublin_And_Halifax_Canada.aspx
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:58 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 100):

Agree a change will be required and Irish Rail marketing has being around for a good while. They changed there logo recently to reflect Irish Rail.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 95):
Great news for Dublin, but bad news for SNN, ORK, NOC etc.:

I'm not so sure if it will make that much of a difference to NOC, SNN and ORK compared to the current situation. There is a very good selection of express to DUB coach services on offer from Galway, Cork and Limerick most of which offer an hourly service and get you for city centre to DUB in just over two hours. I would suspect that any rail service from these cities will involve a change of train in Heuston which will still make the coach services more appealing. BFS and BHD on the other hand should be more worried.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 72):
It's going to be an interesting week - I hope this works out. I particularly liked the Financial Times article as it mentions that BA want to funnel their regional traffic via DUB and SNN instead of LHR in order to free up slots at LHR for itself. Nicely written!

Overall, I feel that an IAG takeover of EI will obviously be good for EI and DUB but also for ORK and SNN. EI are not like IB or BD both of which could be described as basket cases when they were taken over by IAG. EI is a profitable airline who have successfully adopted a way of competing with FR at their main airport. EI's European network is one of the very few operated by a legacy carrier that actually makes a decent profit. It is hard to imagine why IAG would want to interfere too much with it. In fact, one could see them learning from EI and adopting a similar strategy to their existing European network.

There will of course be the usualy political backlash and serial troublemakers out on their soapboxes if this goes ahead but as always they are to be ignored. Previously Open Skies was supposed to see the end of transatlantic services at SNN yet there is still a transatlantic network at SNN that is the envy of many other airports of similar size. Long and short of it is despite the sheer number of previous doomsday predictions involving SNN, it is still there. It is early days but in this new era of an independent SNN where it has been cast adrift to sink or swim on its own terms it thus far has managed to stay swimming. This year will provide a better measure in terms of the current approach by the SAA given that the 17% increase in traffic recorded last years is compared to a very low base. If SNN can achieve 4 to 6 % growth this year it will be a good result.

It would be great to see some additional long haul traffic feed through SNN. I wonder would BA consider the option of connections to SNN-BOS on the LCY-SNN-JFK service? It would help fill some of the business class seats on the SNN-BOS service but obviously would require that the JFK-LCY service to stop at SNN on the say back.
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 100):
On a completely irrelevant note, when did Iarnród Éireann start marketing themselves as "Irish Rail"?

February 2nd, 1987 (its formation date). Iarnród Éireann only started being used after a rebrand in 1994
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 100):
Thinking about it again, I don't think it would be much of a threat to the provincial airports. The rail link would probably stop in every town and require a change at Heuston/Connolly and be slower than by road (as is often the case with Limerick-Dublin and Limerick-Galway trains today).

Who knows maybe they will run express trains at peak periods! Would be great to see Belfast-Dublin Airport. It would really be a game changer. BFS must be worried about the plans ! Maybe it will get them and the NI govt moving on their rail link.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 100):
On a completely irrelevant note, when did Iarnród Éireann start marketing themselves as "Irish Rail"? And Bord Gáis Networks changing to "Gas Networks Ireland"? Nothing wrong with preserving the what little Gaeilge we have left!

I think its changing with the reality on the ground. I personally couldnt care what its called. Like ESB now Electric Ireland I would rather see lower prices! Same with IE/IR I would rather see improvements than re branding. Dont think Id like to see Aer Lingus re branded though  
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Takes me back a few years but I do recall seeing it flat on the airport road the morning after.
Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
A very lucky escape, but despite the relative lack of damage the aircraft which was elderly, wound up in a scrapyard located just before the flyover on the airport road.

Mad!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 105):
Dont think Id like to see Aer Lingus re branded though  

Yeah that would be dire! "Air Fleet" wow, such an inspiring name   
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 105):
Dont think Id like to see Aer Lingus re branded though

If anything I'd like to see Aerlínte Éireann make a comeback, it rolls off the tongue and looks great written down but probably impossible for those outside of Ireland to understand. At the very least 'Aer Lingus Irish International' was a great name, okay it's mainly English but it was a great era in terms of Aer Lingus branding as we see with the retrojet.

Everyone I know still refers to Irish Rail and Iarnród Éireann, at least Bus Éireann appear to be confident in their brand, Irish Bus doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 107):
If anything I'd like to see Aerlínte Éireann make a comeback, it rolls off the tongue and looks great written down but probably impossible for those outside of Ireland to understand.

I think with all that is going on and being part of a wider group Aer Lingus is easier to say when marketing it abroad and also it is quite well known. I am always worried when airlines suddenly try to revamp themselves when it is not really needed from a commercial point of view. Even now you get people using ''Air Lingus'' so god knows what variations you would get with the above.  
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 107):
Everyone I know still refers to Irish Rail and Iarnród Éireann, at least Bus Éireann appear to be confident in their brand, Irish Bus doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

I still say Iarnród Éireann but then again I still use ''B gates'' for T1 DUB  
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 100):
And Bord Gáis Networks changing to "Gas Networks Ireland"? Nothing wrong with preserving the what little Gaeilge we have left!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 105):
I think its changing with the reality on the ground. I personally couldnt care what its called. Like ESB now Electric Ireland I would rather see lower prices!

A lot of these "name changes" (Bord Gáis and ESB specifically) were regulatory requirements to allow the spun off business operations to compete in the newly re-regulated markets. They had to be branded differently to the now seperate infrastructure network owners.

Fair play/level playing field and all that...
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 101):

Yes another new transatlantic route.
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:56 pm

Have American Airlines upgraded or will be upgrading their Dublin flight? I am booked in Business to fly JFK to Dublin Tuesday 4th Aug, seat map shows 1-2-1? Is this their new business class with flat bed? Thanks
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting irishbean (Reply 111):
Have American Airlines upgraded or will be upgrading their Dublin flight? I am booked in Business to fly JFK to Dublin Tuesday 4th Aug, seat map shows 1-2-1? Is this their new business class with flat bed? Thanks

It does indeed look like you are in the flatbeds  http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...erican_Airlines_Boeing_767-300.php
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 101):
New weekly service between Paris-Dublin-Halifax with Europe Airpost this summer. Passengers can be carried on both legs.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-....aspx

Great news. How will Europe Airpost market the flights though? It's not like they have the exposure of Westjet,EI or AC.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:32 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 113):
How will Europe Airpost market the flights though? It's not like they have the exposure of Westjet,EI or AC.

Seeing as there are only 10 departure dates there is not much scope and this will be sold mainly in France via tour operators. Fares from DUB are not the cheapest but may appeal to some who need to get to YHZ. Good times though and a nice day flight coming home. The CDG-DUB-CDG I can't see much interest in due to the once a week schedule.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:51 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 114):

I read a little while back about Transavia starting flights from DUB to Paris too. Has this started? If not, when is it? I've seen nothing advertised
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Quoting Cipango (Reply 81):
Anyone remember/know of this? A Starways DC4? landed short of DUB in 1961.

Weird, I didn't write this. A.net glitch?

Quoting EIRules (Reply 115):
I read a little while back about Transavia starting flights from DUB to Paris too. Has this started? If not, when is it? I've seen nothing advertised

Flights to ORY begin on June 1st. Not too much advertised at all as you said. I wonder how they will get on?
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 115):

Yes its even loaded in the GDS schedules!


Breaking news :::

The Aer Lingus board is expected to issue a statement early tomorrow confirming it has recommended that shareholders accept a takeover offer from British Airways owner, IAG.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0126/675584-aer-lingus/
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:45 am

Are Lingus board to recommend to shareholders to accept IAG bid at €2.55 a share.

Aer Lingus board backs IAG takeover bid subject to conditions
via @IrishTimes
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...id-subject-to-conditions-1.2080956

Also, some US northeast flights are being cancelled today. The EI105/104 EI137/136 are both cancelled today, according to the EI app. No mention of the SNN flights though. Odd.

[Edited 2015-01-27 00:05:22]
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:45 am

SIPTU are asking the government to block it! Do those good for nothing weasels ever do anything decent for anyone!
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 119):

bloody unions...a very small number of management positions may go or be moved to Madrid..but i do think IAG would want to grow EI which would be Irish cabin crew, flight crew, ground staff, not to mention more transfer pax spending money in DUB airport.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:11 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 119):
SIPTU are asking the government to block it!

I would love to hear their logic in this case.


Especially considering they assisted the Govt and the companies railroading a pension solution through which isn't great for their members.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:45 am

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 120):
bloody unions..

Indeed. Im all for sensible union representation where there are real issues but seems with the case of most they are ''wannabe socialists'' who are often photographed in luxury holiday resorts and restaurants whilst preeching to others that they are taking the bread from the workers mouths blah blah...Hippocrites!

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 121):
I would love to hear their logic in this case.

Especially considering they assisted the Govt and the companies railroading a pension solution through which isn't great for their members.

Well they seem to thrive on making trouble to highlight their ''corporation'' and to make people think they are all for the poor working Man.

This will actually secure Irish jobs and expansion of EI. The vocal few trying to hijack the progress of the majority and playing with the lives of people that work in tourism and many other industries that will benefit from this takeover.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:47 am

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 118):
No mention of the SNN flights though. Odd.

AG135/AG134 (SNN-BOS-SNN) does not operate on Tuesdays between January and March.

Last night's UA25/today's UA24 (EWR-SNN-EWR) was cancelled.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:28 am

Quoting Cipango (Reply 116):
Weird, I didn't write this. A.net glitch?

Yeah I was thinking it was strange because I originally wrote it!   
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:47 am

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Quoting Cipango (Reply 81):
Anyone remember/know of this? A Starways DC4? landed short of DUB in 1961.

Takes me back a few years but I do recall seeing it flat on the airport road the morning after.
Quoting Cipango (Reply 116):

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Quoting Cipango (Reply 81):
Anyone remember/know of this? A Starways DC4? landed short of DUB in 1961.

Weird, I didn't write this. A.net glitch?
Quoting aerdingus (Reply 124):
Quoting Cipango (Reply 116):
Weird, I didn't write this. A.net glitch?

Yeah I was thinking it was strange because I originally wrote it!

Eroor in posting with a quote in your post.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:43 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 122):
This will actually secure Irish jobs and expansion of EI

Have IAG actually stated any of their plans in relation to EI yet? While it bring a great deal of stability to EI (it has a bigger brother now!), it was/is doing well on its own too.

Everyone is assuming that IAG is going to benefit EI but it can only be the other way around. The form that this takes is yet to be decided.

Any concrete ideas/suggestions how this will work out in the long-run? It was mentioned that EI and DUB would be used as a transatlantic connector for BA at slot constrained LHR. What else?
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:52 pm

IAG have said they intend for Aer Lingus to remain as a separate airline within the group and to bring EI into One World.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:07 pm

So they are buying only for financial gain? Or OneWorld connectivity?
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 126):
Have IAG actually stated any of their plans in relation to EI yet? While it bring a great deal of stability to EI (it has a bigger brother now!), it was/is doing well on its own too.
Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 127):
IAG have said they intend for Aer Lingus to remain as a separate airline within the group and to bring EI into One World.

The also stated something about maintaining connectivity....but that of course couls be PR speak.

So far nothing concrete about from the about quote...."join OneWorld" and "remain a separate brand with its own mgmt and operations"
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:33 pm


Fianna Fáil warns that a sale of Aer Lingus would be ill-advised

''The Heathrow slots are of critical strategic importance to Ireland and the long-term prospects of our national tourism product.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...gus-would-be-ill-advised-1.2081071



This is a very misleading argument IMO, and it seems to be being thrown about by a lot of the parties which are against the takeover. Aren't they failing to acknowledge that the 'vital connectivity' offered at LHR is chiefly because of the connections available via the BA network. Surely a takeover by IAG will enhance this connectivity ?
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:56 pm

The main reason I'm sure is financial gain of course, IAG is a group of separate airlines, I think alot of the general public think that EI is gong to become BA.

I think getting reassurance that the SNN/ORK-LHR links will stay will help.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:57 pm

Do ye think this year ORK will offer international routes again like to the US? If IAG buy Aer Lingus just for their slots at LHR, what will happen to their Irish airport slots? Will they still be operated by Aer Lingus

[Edited 2015-01-27 12:30:11]

[Edited 2015-01-27 12:31:26]
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting andrewkelleher (Reply 132):
Do ye think this year ORK will offer international routes again?

Could have swore they had some 'international routes' already.

Quoting andrewkelleher (Reply 132):
If IAG buy Aer Lingus just for their slots at LHR, what will happen to their Irish airport slots?

That's assuming that IG just want the LHR slots. As for Irish airports, well they aren't really at capacity so the issue of slots doesn't really come into it.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 130):
Aren't they failing to acknowledge that the 'vital connectivity' offered at LHR is chiefly because of the connections available via the BA network. Surely a takeover by IAG will enhance this connectivity ?

While BA are by far the largest airline at LHR, UA, AC, and EY offer one-stop connections from SNN and ORK with their EI codeshare partnerships. There are also a number of airlines (like QF) that sell tickets from SNN/ORK through interline agreements with EI. Third-party travel agents (online and walk-in) also sell interlines, such as EI-VS connections etc.

So I don't think it's all down to BA. LHR is significant because of the melting pot of airlines it hosts and the destinations they serve worldwide. A lot of European countries have large hubs with their "home-based" airlines leading the way but most do not match the big four - LHR, CDG, AMS and FRA - in terms of connectivity.

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 131):
I think getting reassurance that the SNN/ORK-LHR links will stay will help.

  
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting andrewkelleher (Reply 132):

Since when did Cork have a route to America?????
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:09 pm

The profitability of routes from Cork and Shannon airports to Heathrow is not strong enough at present to ensure their survival in the medium to long term, it has been claimed by Merrion Stockbrokers head of research David Holohan.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...ork-and-shannon-routes-309204.html

So while SNN/ORK-LHR might be profit-making, could IAG pull them for use elsewhere where they think they can make more money? This is where the government's 25% tuppence comes in.

Unrelated note: Germanwings appear to have backtracked on the CGN-SNN route next summer. SNN has been removed from their website.

[Edited 2015-01-27 13:12:50]
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 135):
Since when did Cork have a route to America?????

It didn't, he said "like to the USA".

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 133):
Quoting andrewkelleher (Reply 132):
Do ye think this year ORK will offer international routes again?

Could have swore they had some 'international routes' already.

If I'm not mistaken, all of ORK flights are international.

Andrew, if you read back over some of these threads there is quite a bit of discussion about ORK. It has seen declining passenger numbers over the last few years while DUB has been increasing.

ORK hopefully will see numbers increase in the future but airlines seem to be fixated on DUB for the time being.
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:00 am

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 118):
Aer Lingus board backs IAG takeover bid subject to conditions

It will be great to see EI back in oneworld and part of a big JV across the Atlantic. This could prove fantastic for EI. I wonder if one of the ORD rotations might be replaced with DFW or MIA for summer 16.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 136):
The profitability of routes from Cork and Shannon airports to Heathrow is not strong enough at present to ensure their survival in the medium to long term, it has been claimed by Merrion Stockbrokers head of research David Holohan.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...ork-and-shannon-routes-309204.html

So while SNN/ORK-LHR might be profit-making, could IAG pull them for use elsewhere where they think they can make more money? This is where the government's 25% tuppence comes in.

Unrelated note: Germanwings appear to have backtracked on the CGN-SNN route next summer. SNN has been removed from their website.

[Edited 2015-01-27 13:12:50]

I think the article fundamentally misunderstands how IAG uses their LHR slots. IAG inherited 50+ slots from BD, the only transatlantic route was AUS, the other long haul routes are CTU and KUL. BA just does not have the long haul aircraft at hand to launch a glut of transatlantic routes imminently, many of the 787 and a350s will replace ageing 767 and 747s. They also neglect that not all slots are useful for long haul routes and that the ORK and SNN route numbers will look different when part of the IAG melting pot. So, on balance, while the IAG takeover should be regarded with some caution for the regions, I don't think there is too much cause for concern. LBA is often called a "slot-sitter" but from my trips it is far from it, over half the A319 was filled by Gold and Silver card holders, much like DUB is. If the mix of premium travellers is right ORK and SNN may see an increase in flights. IAG will use slots where it can get the best return for the network, not necessarily point to point flights.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:28 am

Quote:
There are strong indications that the Government will not sell the State’s 25.1 per cent stake in Aer Lingus to International Consolidated Airlines Group (IAG), which is proposing to pay €1.36 billion for the company.

Article in The Irish Times seems to be of the opinion the Governmant will not sell it's stake. I don't know where these strong indications are coming from as they haven't quite got a direct quote from any official saying anything to that effect.

Anyway, if it does transpire that the Government won't sell (which ultimately I doubt) would IAG still be interested in taking 75% of EI? Could they still do what they plan with 75% of it?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...nment-s-aer-lingus-share-1.2081809
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting phen (Reply 139):
Article in The Irish Times seems to be of the opinion the Governmant will not sell it's stake

Seems odd....I guess they are weigtinh up the election damage it might do them?

"While Minister for Transport Paschal Donohoe gave details of an expert group appointed to advise on the proposed sale" I like this quote from the IT article.....wonder who the expert panel are?

Personally I don't think WW will like having only 74.9%. He has always been vocal in his opposition to govt shareholding.


And I feelt that the fearful articles about job losses are off the mark. They are based on what happened to IB post merger. However that situation would be akin to IAG buying EI pre-Greenfield. I could see IAG using EI as an example for IB to tighten their belts.

[Edited 2015-01-28 03:40:04]
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:41 am

Oh and I read that some labour politican thinks the government doesn't need the money. Tell that to those in hospital trollies.
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 141):

They will only get to keep 50% of the money generated from a sale, so not a lot.
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:52 pm

Shannon Airport statement:

The Chairman of Shannon Group plc which operates Shannon Airport, has welcomed yesterday’s confirmation by Government that connectivity will be a key consideration in the proposed sale of Aer Lingus to IAG. Shannon Group Chairman Rose Hynes said the retention of Heathrow slots for Irish airports, including Shannon, must be a priority for Government as it contemplates the proposed IAG takeover of Aer Lingus. “Aer Lingus is a valued airline partner at Shannon, operating services to our key markets. Heathrow is the single most important gateway for business to and from key international markets for Ireland. It's essential that current slots and frequencies are retained and contractually protected for the individual Irish airports, including Shannon.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...%80%93_Shannon_Group_Chairman.aspx
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Afternoon all, I had the chance to get on one of the last BE flights to CFN at the weekend. Here's the trip report if anyone's interested  Dublin - Donegal Done In A Day! BE S340 DUB CFN (by aerdingus Jan 28 2015 in Trip Reports)
A306 A313 A319 A320 A321 A333 A346 A359 ATR42 ATR72 B734 B737 B738 B744 B772 B789 C152 MD80 RJ85 S340
 
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting phen (Reply 139):
Article in The Irish Times seems to be of the opinion the Governmant will not sell it's stake. I don't know where these strong indications are coming from as they haven't quite got a direct quote from any official saying anything to that effect.

I've read a few bits and pieces like this.

If this shower of morons in Government manage to screw this up, in 5, 10, 20 years they'll cry foul when EI goes bankrupt and needs to be saved and can't be due to EU law.

This is the one opportunity to do something right with Aer Lingus, so let's hope they don't screw this one up!
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 145):
If this shower of morons in Government manage to screw this up, in 5, 10, 20 years they'll cry foul when EI goes bankrupt and needs to be saved and can't be due to EU law.

This is the one opportunity to do something right with Aer Lingus, so let's hope they don't screw this one up!

David Mc Williams was interviewed on Today with Sean O'Rourke today (Wednesday) He argued similarly, he says this is an opportunity rather than a threat.

Some other eejit in the Indo letters page saving that it is MoL's time to stand up and show his patriotic heart....he thinks the FR and EI relationship has been "compatible and competitive"
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/le...e-no-right-decisions-30943980.html

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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:33 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 146):
Some other eejit in the Indo letters page saving that it is MoL's time to stand up and show his patriotic heart....he thinks the FR and EI relationship has been "compatible and competitive"

That is just hilarious! You'd think it's a piss take, wouldn't you?  
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:07 am

And the esteemed minister has said nothing of any value on the whole matter, has he? This government had so much promise and has turned into nothing more than a less capable version of the last tragic one.

The Shannon statement was well written. A 10 year agreement to maintain capacity to cork and Shannon would be acceptable.
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RE: Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 144):
Afternoon all, I had the chance to get on one of the last BE flights to CFN at the weekend. Here's the trip report if anyone's interested  Dublin - Donegal Done In A Day! BE S340 DUB CFN

Very easyflowing writing style there aerdingus, very good TR! Saturday is the last day and I am still contemplating doing a DUB-CFN-DUB run to get the Saab. I don't know when i'll get the chance again...
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