Irish 1/15: Brave New World - Part 2

American 767 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:21 am

Time to enjoy a nice and warm Irish Coffee.

Please continue to post here:

Irish 1/15: Brave New World (by kaitak Dec 31 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Ben Soriano

OA260 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:30 am

Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):
Time to enjoy a nice and warm Irish Coffee.

If your paying

Thanks for a new thread

Nice to see some humour at EI !

Aer Lingus poke fun at rival airline with brilliant tweet
We found ourselves actually laughing out loud at this tweet from Aer Lingus this evening.
The airline took part in the #FiveWordsToRuinADate conversation on Twitter with this gem.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examvir...e-with-brilliant-tweet-306810.html

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Aer Lingus: how would I go about selling my shares in the airline?

Aer Lingus is certainly in the news right now, as IAG – the group which includes British Airways and Iberia and which is run by former Aer Lingus boss Willie Walsh – has submitted two bids for the company in recent weeks.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/p...my-shares-in-the-airline-1.2063193

So it seems hold on to your shares until the deal goes through !

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As the storm still rages there are some diversions of smaller A/C at DUB . Still looking interesting on FR24 at the moment with many circling. GLA MAN CWL BHX EDI all cancelled.

Some Flight Diversions Due To Strong Winds At Dublin AirportJanuary 15 2015Some smaller, turbo prop aircraft have been diverted due to winds gusting over 43 knots/74kph at Dublin Airport this morning.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...trong_Winds_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx

AmricanShamrok · Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:23 pm

20 DUB-bound aircraft have been diverted so far this afternoon due to crosswinds.

Diversions to SNN so far:
EI155 (LHR)
EI563 (BCN)
EI331 (SXF)
FR857 (RYG)
EI353 (MUC)
FR7329 (LIS)
EI491 (LIS)
FR665 (BHX)

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0115/672653-weather-story/

Clydenairways · Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:44 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 2):
20 DUB-bound aircraft have been diverted so far this afternoon due to crosswinds.

Nice boost to Jan incomes for the SAA.

AmricanShamrok · Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:00 pm

Update: winds seem to have eased somewhat at DUB. All eight SNN-diverted aircraft planning to depart back to DUB in next few minutes.

OA260 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:40 pm

WOW Air have some decent prices for the new DUB-KEF route.

ClassicLover · Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:40 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Nice to see some humour at EI !

Brilliant!!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
WOW Air have some decent prices for the new DUB-KEF route

If you haven't been to Iceland - go go go go go! It's a beautiful country with landscapes quite unlike any other in the world! Plus the geysers, waterfalls, the Blue Lagoon and the fact everyone speaks English makes for a brilliant 3 or 4 night break! About time someone flew to KEF from Ireland!

JAmie2k9 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:26 pm

Completly messed that post up and can't edit it:

https://twitter.com/AerLingus/status/555786318257848320

OA260 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
Brilliant!!

Aer Lingus seems to have won though

WX felt left out so joined in too.

Airline banter alert: Aer Lingus and Ryanair are talking smack about each other on Twitter

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/ry...Jan2015/?utm_source=facebook_short

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
If you haven't been to Iceland

Always wanted to go and always say it every year LOL.. One day !

AmricanShamrok · Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:17 pm

Have any RE aircraft been painted in the WX livery for the flights they operate out of CWL? I am presuming they are using their own Stobart Air livery for the time being.

eicvd · Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 9):

One 42 has, think its EHH but not 100% certain.

kaitak · Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:45 am

Looks like FR is having a sense of humour failure over EI's twitters. It probably didn't help that FR included a picture of EI-DVM in one of its own ads!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ge-after-Aer-Lingus-photobomb.html

shamrock350 · Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:01 pm

Aer Lingus will operate a special pilgrimage flight from New York to Knock this summer.

Pilgrim's progress: Knock Airport announces first flight from New York in 2015

IRELAND West Airport and Knock Shrine have announced details of their first Diocesan pilgrimage flight from New York to the west of Ireland.

In what the airport hopes will become a regular service, the Aer Lingus flight will depart New York on Saturday August 8 and return on August 16 with pilgrims taking in a historic visit to the shrine and participation in the national public novena in honour of Our Lady of Knock.

Ireland West Airport Knock chairman Joe Kennedy said today the move will mark the return of transatlantic flights to the West of Ireland after an absence of eight years.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...rom-new-york-in-2015-30912436.html

No indication of aircraft type, maybe one of their own A330s or something leased in for this one off?

OA260 · Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:19 pm

Sad news at WX !!

Dublin-based airline CityJet seeks 30 redundancies

http://www.independent.ie/business/d...eeks-30-redundancies-30911438.html

Eirules · Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 12):

I'd have thought it more likely a 757 than the A330. Too much aircraft to fill and could the runway even handle the A330?

AmricanShamrok · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):
I'd have thought it more likely a 757 than the A330. Too much aircraft to fill and could the runway even handle the A330?

NOC has handled a 747 in 2003. Not sure if there were payload restrictions. NOC's runway is 200m longer than the main one at ORK.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthann/sets/72157603539534176/with/2135916576/

[Edited 2015-01-16 05:20:54]

JAmie2k9 · Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:09 pm

Dublin (JFK) 752 will operate the flight.

Phen · Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):

On a more serious note, I was doing some reading about the IAG bid and came across this which somebody may be able to shed light on:

Quote:
It [Aer Lingus] also has to renew part of its fleet and is due to take delivery of 18 Airbus craft before 2020.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...o-land-aer-lingus-1.2067486?page=2

We all know about the 9 x A359 on order but where is this 18 coming from? Are there other aircraft on order somewhere?

Eagleboy · Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting Phen (Reply 17):
On a more serious note, I was doing some reading about the IAG bid and came across this which somebody may be able to shed light on:

Quote:
"It [Aer Lingus] also has to renew part of its fleet and is due to take delivery of 18 Airbus craft before 2020."

We all know about the 9 x A359 on order but where is this 18 coming from? Are there other aircraft on order somewhere?

Your mistake there was believing something written about aviation in the media.....

BestWestern · Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:52 pm

Great to see NOC being proactive in attracting and supporting a long haul charter.

Meanwhile in ORK we see and hear nothing innovative.

Phen · Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 18):

Noted

Speaking of orders, I wonder what is EI's long term plan for short haul fleet renewal. A320neo and 737max order books have considerable backlogs by now, so it'll be a while before any of those are available...

Eagleboy · Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:16 am

Quoting Phen (Reply 20):
Speaking of orders, I wonder what is EI's long term plan for short haul fleet renewal.

I expected a decision to be made in 2015....however the IAG bid means any decisions in EI are on hold until the takeover uncertainty situation is resolved.

OA260 · Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:31 am

Some sched changes for the Summer to the DUB-ACE route. Operated by A321 .

1500/1915 DUB ACE

2005/2359 ACE DUB

The second flight on a Sunday is operated by A320 DUB ACE 0720/1140 ACE DUB 1230/1635

frostyj · Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 12):

So wait is this just for a pilgrimage to NYC (um???) or is it an attempt at starting up a route?

shamrock350 · Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 23):
So wait is this just for a pilgrimage to NYC (um???) or is it an attempt at starting up a route?

Pilgrimage to Knock from New York,

"the Aer Lingus flight will depart New York on Saturday August 8 and return on August 16 with pilgrims taking in a historic visit to the shrine and participation in the national public novena in honour of Our Lady of Knock."

So a one off special service, unlikely to be the precursor of a new route.

frostyj · Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:28 pm

oh right I was wondering why they would go on a pilgrimage to NYC lol.

[Edited 2015-01-17 09:41:54]

shamrock604 · Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:53 pm

Time to throw my tuppence re EI/IAG

Personally, so long as there's a vision for growth for EI, which I believe there will be, i'm completely for it.

The potential is huge and I hope it heralds even greater expansion of long haul here in Ireland.

Of course, WW could go down the "shut the competitor down" route, but realistically, how likely is that? LHR is still constrained - and that isn't going to change for a long time. Of course, WW - as an Irishman and ex EI, will be under his own pressure to deliver something more than a shutdown of EI.

I believe this to be potentially a very good thing.

dstc47 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:21 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 25):
why they would go on a pilgrimage to NYC lol.

Undoubtedly more pilgrims go to NYC from Ireland than Knock ever got.
Is this perhaps the first pilgrimage to Knock since possibly the very first year of airport operations? That is one area of business that OCK never managed to develop, despite the original intentions of Mons. Horgan.

SuperSix2 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:54 pm

A bit off topic but by any chance does anybody remember the name of the bar in Dublin airport that looked over the main apron (not the current bar, but the one from 15-20 yrs ago)

I think there was a pretty steep stairs going up there.. I was there a lot when i was kid

Also, but probably a long shot... any pics??

Cheers!

BestWestern · Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:09 pm

Skyline comes to memory. Remember lovely Lunch next door also.

OA260 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting SuperSix2 (Reply 29):
A bit off topic but by any chance does anybody remember the name of the bar in Dublin airport that looked over the main apron (not the current bar, but the one from 15-20 yrs ago)

I just about remember it and took some pics from there of the A Pier if we are talking about the same place. A long corridor which looked out. It was not there for long after I first saw it as they started to renovate that area. There is a Youtube video which someone has posted here in the past.

SuperSix2 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 30):
Skyline comes to memory

yea that sounds familiar enough

Quoting OA260 (Reply 31):
I just about remember it and took some pics from there of the A Pier if we are talking about the same place. A long corridor which looked out

Yea the bar was located above A Pier just to the right, i think there was a balcony that was sometimes opened???

EI121 · Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:17 pm

Hi all,

Just a quick question. I noticed that todays EI147 is being operated by a A333. Why does EI use a A332 generally for this route especially during the peak summer months (May-Sept) ? Would it not be more profitable to use the A333 for its extra capacity during these months?

Thanks

Eagleboy · Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting EI121 (Reply 33):
Just a quick question. I noticed that todays EI147 is being operated by a A333. Why does EI use a A332 generally for this route especially during the peak summer months (May-Sept) ? Would it not be more profitable to use the A333 for its extra capacity during these months?

A333 capcity more profitable to get 2 sectors per 24 hours (4 in 48 hrs) on East Coast routes. DUB-SFO-DUB would be only 3 sectors in 48 hours.
A333 being used once a week until the cabin refit is complete. Currently EI only have a single -200 in the active fleet. (Cabin refit and Novair lease have the other 2)

Cipango · Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 33):
A333 capcity more profitable to get 2 sectors per 24 hours (4 in 48 hrs) on East Coast routes. DUB-SFO-DUB would be only 3 sectors in 48 hours.
A333 being used once a week until the cabin refit is complete. Currently EI only have a single -200 in the active fleet. (Cabin refit and Novair lease have the other 2)

It makes so much sense now that you mention it.

I always thought the same with FR operating 4+ hour routes. Wouldn't they make more money with tickets, bags, seat selections etc. by operating 2 return trips than one long return trip.

EIBoston · Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 33):
A333 capcity more profitable to get 2 sectors per 24 hours (4 in 48 hrs) on East Coast routes. DUB-SFO-DUB would be only 3 sectors in 48 hours.
A333 being used once a week until the cabin refit is complete. Currently EI only have a single -200 in the active fleet. (Cabin refit and Novair lease have the other 2)

It makes so much sense now that you mention it.

I always thought the same with FR operating 4+ hour routes. Wouldn't they make more money with tickets, bags, seat selections etc. by operating 2 return trips than one long return trip.

But doesn't the 147/146 rotation get back in under 24 hours? Couldn't they use 2 A333's to work 147/146 and 109/108 during the summer?

Clydenairways · Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 32):

Just a quick question. I noticed that todays EI147 is being operated by a A333. Why does EI use a A332 generally for this route especially during the peak summer months (May-Sept) ? Would it not be more profitable to use the A333 for its extra capacity during these months?

Maybe the 332 and 333 have different crew rest facilities installed, it was a bit of an issue a few years ago but i can't remember how it ended up. I think WW wanted to launch Cape town but this was one of the issues.
Another factor is payload, because of DUB's short runway maybe the 332 can lift more load than the 333 due to the lighter airframe.
333's can do the west coast from other airports but maybe it's a bit restricted from DUB.

Eagleboy · Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:23 am

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 35):
But doesn't the 147/146 rotation get back in under 24 hours? Couldn't they use 2 A333's to work 147/146 and 109/108 during the summer?

DUB-SFO departs at 1220, SFO-DUB lands back at 1130. SO yes it is less than 24 hours but still too toght for a single aircraft to operate it. You could have 2 aircraft alternating SFO/BOS but it is suspectibel to disruptions,

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 36):
Maybe the 332 and 333 have different crew rest facilities installed, it was a bit of an issue a few years ago but i can't remember how it ended up. I think WW wanted to launch Cape town but this was one of the issues.
Another factor is payload, because of DUB's short runway maybe the 332 can lift more load than the 333 due to the lighter airframe.

Crew rest is installed on the -200's but not the -300s...so is an issue. Duty hours in a delay have less elasticity on a -300

OA260 · Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:41 pm

Some nice archives for the 75th celebrations .

Happy 75th Birthday Dublin Airport

2015 marks 75 years since the opening of Dublin Airport. The first flight took off from Dublin Airport destined for Liverpool on 19 January 1940.
Planning for the airport began in 1936 when the government decided to introduce a new civil airport at Collinstown rather than share with the military airport at Baldonnel. When it first opened there was only a grass runway and no terminal buildings. Development on the site was interrupted by the war and it wasn't until 1947 that the first tarmac runway was opened.

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2015/0119...673703-75-years-of-dublin-airport/

OA260 · Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:24 pm

Minister for Transport Paschal Donohoe is due to make a decision by the summer on a choice of six options to link Swords and the airport with Dublin city centre.

They include a revised Metro North, two different DART links, a Luas link, a Bus Rapid Transit system or a combination of DART and Luas.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0119/673879-dublin-transport/

Hopefully the right decision is made it has been put off too long!

aerdingus · Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Hi.

Anyone know if it's possible to buy tickets on the door for the Holiday World Show in the RDS? Thinking of going on the Sunday.

Thanks

bx737 · Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 40):

Last year I bought tickets at the door of the Holiday World Fair. I can't see any reason for it to be different this year. I got lots of Westjet goodies last year

among other bits and bobs

JAmie2k9 · Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 39):

There are many issues with the proposed options and the NTA need to address these I hope it happens now before a decision is made.

AmricanShamrok · Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:18 pm

Today's BE1121/BE1122 (BHX-NOC-BHX) rotation is being operated by a B46 in place of the usual DH8. The aircraft is being leased from Cello Aviation.

aerdingus · Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting bx737 (Reply 41):
Last year I bought tickets at the door of the Holiday World Fair. I can't see any reason for it to be different this year. I got lots of Westjet goodies last year among other bits and bobs

Great! Thanks

and I got a nifty two for one entry from The Sunday Times too hehehe

OA260 · Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:08 pm

Pretty stable figures for BHD/BFS but not good news for LDY !

Traffic rise at Belfast airports as City of Derry falls
Passenger numbers at Northern Ireland's two biggest airports increased slightly in 2014 while traffic through City of Derry dropped by a steep 9%, the Belfast Telegraph can reveal.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...-city-of-derry-falls-30920265.html

AmricanShamrok · Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:37 pm

FR eyeing routes to Russia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, the Gulf states and Egypt:
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0122/674741-ryanair-views/

I know it's a bit difficult for them to expand outside of the EU due to bilateral restrictions/lack of "open skies" with many countries, but it would be good to see FR flying in Asia and North Africa some day. Routes from say, Eastern Europe to the Gulf States are very doable in terms of aircraft capability.

Looking far, far into the future, would it be possible to see FR establishing a base in the Middle East and flying to places like India?

frostyj · Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:51 pm

I don't think the 737 max could reach the middle east from Ireland.

Clydenairways · Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 47):
I don't think the 737 max could reach the middle east from Ireland.

Well, not Dubai, but Egypt, Israel, Jordan are within reach. Also FR could expand deeper into the ME from their other Euro bases closer to the region. But as others have stated, this requires bilateral agreement.

kaitak · Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:52 pm

Norwegian flies OSL-DXB, so it would be possible to some destinations across the network, but probably not to DUB. Of course, if they looked at sth. bigger than a 738 ...

Of course, FR wouldn't serve DXB; there are several quite under-used airports around DXB, such as Al Ain and Ras Al Khaimah and I understand that the Emir or one of the other, less known Emirates (Ajman or Umm Al Qawain, I think) has recently announced an intention to build an airport and these are not too far away from Dubai).

The problem is, of course, that it would be difficult for airliners from non-GCC (Gulf Co-operation Council) members to set up airlines, unless of course it would be a joint venture with a local company. FR could find that it would invest quite a bit, only to told - a year or so down the road - that a GCC airline wants to establish a business at its airport, and then face a big loss. And the likes of FlyDubai and Air Arabia would hardly welcome FR with open arms.

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