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Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:18 pm

I am planning to travel from London to Lima in December this year and ideally I would like to travel with one of the OneWorld airlines to get my BA points, so my only options really are BA/IB via MAD or BA/AA via MIA. The former would mean sitting on one of their A340-600's for nearly 12 hours without a PTV screen (don't all shout - I just prefer them and feel sick reading on a plane). The latter would mean I could do AA or BA to MIA where you would get your own TV, but then 5-6 hours from MIA-LIM on an old B757 (what in-flight entertainment would you get on these?).

Does anyone know if IB plan on adding PTV's to their A340-600's in the near future?

Generally speaking, which option do you think would be better? In terms of service, entertainment, aircraft etc.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:23 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
without a PTV screen

The new IB seats have PTV screens. I believe some of the A346's have been retrofitted already.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:32 pm

Changing planes in the US is a massive pain in the bum in terms of immigration rules, don't you have to effectively enter the US first?
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
I believe some of the A346's have been retrofitted already.

I found this article:

Iberia is refitting its Airbus A340-600 fleet with a new and improved interior.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:51 pm

Only 4 out of 17 A340-600s remain unretrofitted, those being EC-JCY, JCZ, JFX and KZI. By December they are all expected to have the new interiors, so you should be fine.

EC-IZY is currently being retrofitted, the next one in should be JCY.

[Edited 2015-01-15 07:53:18]
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:58 pm

Most of the fleet has been retrofitted with the new interiors, which include Panasonic ex2 IFE in Economy. Nowadays only 4 A346s remain with the old interiors but it is expected that in Summer all the fleet will be done, so if you fly an A346 in December you won't have any problem.

In any case, I think that transiting in MAD is much more convenient. You will be picked up by a bus as you arrive from LHR to take you straight to the non-Schengen area in the satellite building, you won't have to go through any passport control nor worry about your baggage.

If you transit in MIA you'll have to clear customs, pick up your baggage, change terminal and check in the bags again.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Generally speaking, which option do you think would be better? In terms of service, entertainment, aircraft etc.

Id go IB. They have improved a lot. MAD is a decent airport to transfer in and the new cabins are nice. Not sure if you have lounge access based on your BA Exec card but if you do and have time the lounges are nice too. The only issue with IB I have is their very bad IT and website and when it comes to booking seats. Best to do that on BA.COM.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
I am planning to travel from London to Lima in December this year and ideally I would like to travel with one of the OneWorld airlines to get my BA points

You also have the option of LAN Peru from MAD-LIM on [I think] a 767. This will also give you Avios points. I am flying LAN 787 to SCL [three weeks today..yippee] and have been told I will get Avios at half the normal BA rates for the flights operated by LAN.

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if IB plan on adding PTV's to their A340-600's in the near future?

I asked this very same question a few months ago when I was planning my trip to Chile and was informed that on the Flight schedules those that have been upgraded to have PTVs are designated A345 rather than A346 - so if you do a dummy booking for your chosen dates you should be able to see if it is upgraded or not - although with 11 months to go to your flight more upgraded aircraft will be coming online and things might change.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 7):
designated A345 rather than A346

Iberia only operates the A340-300 and A340-600. I believe the A340-300's are not getting the new cabin.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:31 pm

Irrespective of if the fleet has been retrofitted, i'd advise either buying a tablet, or just downloading the BBC and 4od apps onto your phone. It's great having entertainment you want at your fingertips, rather than having to rely on what the airine provides. Downloading content on these is easy (in the UK). BBC stuff generally stays on your device for 30 days, 4od for 7 days, and can be viewed offline. If you get a proxy app, you can download more content abroad.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:40 pm

Thanks all for your detailed answers. Great news that all the A346's have/are being retrofitted - glad I asked!

I think going via MAD on BA/IB sounds like a much better option.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Iberia only operates the A340-300 and A340-600.

You are right they don't operate the A345 [which confused me also when the A345 popped up on the IB booking system. it is apparently simply an IB classification to identify the refurbished from the non refurbished A346.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
I would like to travel with one of the OneWorld airlines to get my BA points, so my only options really are BA/IB via MAD or BA/AA via MIA.

  

LHR - JFK on AA or BA
JFK - LIM on LAN 531 (B763)

So much more civilised than MIA. JFK - LIM leg leaves in the middle of the night, and at 5 hours behind London, you are properly tired so I pretty much always passed out after dinner, wake up around 6am arriving into LIM.
Just ba.com won't sell you a ticket on that route as they don't code share with LAN. Have to use expedia or aa.com

Go back the same route and get a day in NYC into the bargain.

You could even go through Dallas if you want to, but that is a long way west.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:05 am

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 12):

So much more civilised than MIA. JFK - LIM leg leaves in the middle of the night, and at 5 hours behind London, you are properly tired so I pretty much always passed out after dinner, wake up around 6am arriving into LIM.
Just ba.com won't sell you a ticket on that route as they don't code share with LAN. Have to use expedia or aa.com

Go back the same route and get a day in NYC into the bargain.

Good to know - thank you.

Do you know why BA don't codeshare with LAN?
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:22 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 11):
You are right they don't operate the A345 [which confused me also when the A345 popped up on the IB booking system. it is apparently simply an IB classification to identify the refurbished from the non refurbished A346.

They also have an A342 designation, which of course is not a -200 but a certain cabin configuration of the A343.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 14):

They also have an A342 designation, which of course is not a -200 but a certain cabin configuration of the A343.

How many of the 340-300's are left ?
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:24 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 13):
Good to know - thank you.

Do you know why BA don't codeshare with LAN?

A year or two after I did the LIM route a lot, I did get invited to a BA piss up at the Houses of Parliament, where I asked just that question of the commercial director. They want to keep you on BA metal for as long as possible. Which I guess is fair enough.

There were a few of us each time - BA179 leaves LHR around 5-6pm, gets to JFK around 8-9pm then over to T4 (now 8 I think) for LAN. I liked it because it was travel over night, which was good cos I got most of my weekend for myself rather than losing it to work.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:05 pm

A bit off topic, but does anyone know which type of B777 is used on the GIG-LHR route? It just says B777 on the BA website - I'm assuming that's a B772? A part of me is hoping a B773! What type of entertainment would I get?
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:21 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 17):
It just says B777 on the BA website - I'm assuming that's a B772? A part of me is hoping a B773! What type of entertainment would I get?

It's a 77W.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ba249/
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 15):
How many of the 340-300's are left ?

There are currently 7 A343s in operation:

EC-GGS "Concha Espina"
EC-GHX "Rosalia de Castro"
EC-GJT "Rosa Chacel"
EC-GLE "Concepcion Arenal"
EC-GUP "Agustina de Aragon"
EC-GUQ "Beatriz Galindo"
EC-HGV "Maria Guerrero

Only the Guatemala/San Salvador and Montevideo routes are exclusively operated by A343, but they can also be found scheduled to Buenos Aires, Santiago, Lima, Quito, Guayaquil, London, and Sao Paulo, as well as any last-minute substitution replacing an A333 or A346 on any other long-haul route if there's the need.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:54 pm

I flew on: EC-GHX "Rosalia de Castro" MAD-LHR in October, it was pretty tatty inside and out, I do wonder how much longer they will soldier on for (ie when are the A332s due?)
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:28 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 20):

I have heard that they want to keep them even after the arrival of the new A332s, which are due to arrive in the last quarter of 2015. I guess that if they finally keep them they will retrofit the cabins of the A343 fleet.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:54 am

The 343's are leaving as soon as the 332's enter service. Iberia is trying to accelerate the delivery of these. First one is expected at latest on the fourth quarter of 2015, so no much time left for the old cabins.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:25 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 21):
I have heard that they want to keep them even after the arrival of the new A332s, which are due to arrive in the last quarter of 2015. I guess that if they finally keep them they will retrofit the cabins of the A343 fleet.
Quoting icaro (Reply 22):
The 343's are leaving as soon as the 332's enter service. Iberia is trying to accelerate the delivery of these. First one is expected at latest on the fourth quarter of 2015, so no much time left for the old cabins.

I wonder which of the two it will be. The first would imply a net expansion, while the second would imply a seat reduction (same number of a/c coming in one for one, but smaller).
I could imagine that it is not even decided yet, and that given the current oil prices, IB may hold on to the A343's a bit longer while still accepting A332's. They are fully paid for and can always be sent to the scrapyard as soon as oil rises again, so there is not much to lose, and potentially gains to be made, by keeping them around a bit more while oil is cheap. Just send them to leisure-heavy routes à la LH Jump, and send the shiny new A330's to higher-yield destinations.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:11 pm

Seat count will be very similar on both aircraft. Around 280 pax with a small premium cabin.

There is still room for growing without keeping the 343's. There are 8 332's on order (2 more than the current 6 343's in service). Plus one 346 being retrofitted at a time. That would leave 3 aircrafts.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting icaro (Reply 24):

There is still room for growing without keeping the 343's. There are 8 332's on order (2 more than the current 6 343's in service). Plus one 346 being retrofitted at a time. That would leave 3 aircrafts.

Won't all the A346s be done by the time the A332s arrive? IIRC there are only a few left.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting icaro (Reply 24):

There are 7 A343s + 1 in storage. Those 8 A332s won't allow any decent expansion. I have also heard that the A332s will have a dense configuration and that will be used for "touristic" destinations, I'm looking forward to seeing what plans does Iberia have for those airplanes.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 25):

There are 17 A346s in the fleet and none of them have been phased out. Some of them will be replaced by A359s and the other will remain active in 2020. They have to decide if they get 77X or A351 to replace those.
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:18 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):
There are 7 A343s + 1 in storage

You are right, my bad.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:58 am

All 3 A330-200 due for 2016 will arrive in 2015. Confirmed by Sansavini. They are now trying to change the delivery date for the A35-900 from 2018 to late 2016. It will be a major long haul destination expansion announcement in Fitur.
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting kelual (Reply 28):
announcement in Fitur

On what date can we expect this announcement?
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:34 am

[quote=KarelXWB,reply=29][/

Soon. The fair starts on January 28th, details here: www.ifema.es/fitur_06
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant there are only a few A346 left still to be refurbished  
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:59 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 31):


As far as I know only 4
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:01 pm

Quoting icaro (Reply 24):
Seat count will be very similar on both aircraft. Around 280 pax with a small premium cabin.

Interesting. So the A332's will be a Y-heavy configuration, interesting. In that case there is barely a reduction in seats compared to the 265Y 24J configuration, but of course less yield.

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):
Those 8 A332s won't allow any decent expansion

Agree. The a/c IB has on order, and the fleet replacement plan, do not provide any net expansion, even less so if you consider IB's peak A343 fleet before the retirements without replacements during the restructuring. Net expansion can only come via a) keeping A340's longer instead of replacing them with new arrivals or b) the future order for A35x or 77x.
Short term, I think a) is a good option that would work as long as oil is cheap
 
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RE: Will Iberia Add PTV's In Economy On Their A346's?

Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:10 pm

IB still hold options for 24 A350-900 and 10 A330. If they confirm the A330 options now they could be doing the fleet early next year

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