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zhiao
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AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:00 pm

Does anyone have any update on how many and what type of deliveries will be taken by AA and US this year? Also, will the US deliveries still have the US interior?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:14 pm

This will be one of the craziest years for new deliveries than I think I have ever seen for 1 airline. Just the 787 deliveries (~one per month) alone are insane for the next 2-3 years. The fleet is really going to change going forward and it will be fun to watch.

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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:29 pm

my questions is
what is AA adding?

they don't really seem to be expanding that much

LAX- Asia- is tiny

really they have already got HKG and Japan covered with their partners

Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia, China, New Zealand , Thailand are all countries with many flights but limited American service.

yet no announcements of any expansion- just campaigning for Haneda.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:05 pm

AA said the other day in the employee newsletter that they will accept 112 new aircraft this year. Didn't list how many US is taking up, but I'll keep looking for that and a breakdown of airplane types.

AA is receiving a mix of 738, 319, 321, 788 and I think a couple more 77W. They accepted the first of 18 738s for the year last week. US accepted a 321 today, the first of 12 this year.

Much of the NB fleet is for replacement, not so much for expansion.
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:07 pm

1 787 per month for the next few years is unheard of. AA will look very different in just two years. Not only the 787's, but the B738's, A319, A321's, and E175's will all be coming on property in numbers that I doubt any US airline has seen before. The people in Fort Worth will be busy.

To answer your question Kashmon the 787 will do wonders for AA TPAC expansion. Many have speculated that this plane will allow them to really make LAX a true Trans-Pacific gateway, opening routes like AKL, ICN, KIX, TPE, and secondary Chinese cities. Also, struggling markets like ORD will see benefits from the 787. NRT, PEK, and PVG may go back to daily, or some expansion may happen. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return of JFK-Asia routes.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:50 pm

There should be some adjustements, but the plan was:

AA:

- 20 738
- 30 32S (A319 and A321)
- 13 787 (2 from 2014 and 11 for 2015)

US:

- 12 A321

American Eagle:

- 5 E75 for Republic
- 18 E75 for Compass and Envoy

US Airways Express:

- 14 CR9 for PSA
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:54 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 2):
Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia, China, New Zealand , Thailand are all countries with many flights but limited American service.

I confidently predict that, at the end of 2015, Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia, New Zealand, and Thailand will STILL be without AA service, irrespective of how many aircraft are delivered or how many AA retires. It's not a lack of capable aircraft -- it's viable markets and AA strategy.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:06 pm

This could be an interesting year, if oil prices continue to decline, or at least stay below $60 a barrel. The two main reasons for retiring the MD-80 fleet are maintenance needs and fuel consumption. But, the second isn't as big an issue with cheap fuel prices.

Might AA slow the pace of retirements of the MD-80, 752, and 763 fleets, if the price of oil stays low, say under $60 a barrel? In watching CNBC, no one is predicting oil to go up to the $80 level, and there are some analysts who think oil could go down to $35 a barrel.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 6):
I confidently predict that, at the end of 2015, Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia, New Zealand, and Thailand will STILL be without AA service, irrespective of how many aircraft are delivered or how many AA retires. It's not a lack of capable aircraft -- it's viable markets and AA strategy.

New Zealand -might- work for AA and Oneworld, but I tend to agree with the others. They aren't likely to fill airplanes to those countries, which is why codesharing and joint ventures work.

TPE? Maybe. They were there before, but dropped the day of the 9/11 stoppage. The 788 might make it work, though probably not from SJC again.
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 7):
Might AA slow the pace of retirements of the MD-80, 752, and 763 fleets, if the price of oil stays low, say under $60 a barrel? In watching CNBC, no one is predicting oil to go up to the $80 level, and there are some analysts who think oil could go down to $35 a barrel.

I doubt it. If they slow retirements then they are also adding capacity (as the new a/c come online) which ultimately will drive down ticket prices. WIth uncertain times ahead in the economy (as of this week's Wall Street Thinking) it would be best to maintain current (or cut) capacity in hopes of maintaining current profit levels-which by keeping to the retirement plan in place shouldn't be difficult.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:47 am

How many, if any, CR2 and E145 will be pulled down?
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:16 pm

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 9):
If they slow retirements then they are also adding capacity (as the new a/c come online) which ultimately will drive down ticket prices. WIth uncertain times ahead in the economy (as of this week's Wall Street Thinking) it would be best to maintain current (or cut) capacity in hopes of maintaining current profit levels-which by keeping to the retirement plan in place shouldn't be difficult.

The old joke is that if you get 12 economists in a room, you get 13 opinions. For every analyst or economist I see on CNBC who is pessimistic about the economy, there is another one who is upbeat.

That said, I know that Parker is more willing to reduce flying on slow days and add flying on busy days. PMAA management preferred to keep flying steady during the week, with only some reductions on weekends on routes that skewed towards business travel.

So, having a few extra planes might add some flexibility.

By the same token, if the retirements of the 763s slows a bit, it might allow AA to add a new route or two sooner that it could with the current retirement schedule.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 5):
AA:

- 20 738
- 30 32S (A319 and A321)
- 13 787 (2 from 2014 and 11 for 2015)

US:

- 12 A321

American Eagle:

- 5 E75 for Republic
- 18 E75 for Compass and Envoy

US Airways Express:

- 14 CR9 for PSA

I'm showing different figures from one of their recent investor presentations http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...xkSUQ9MjU4NzI0fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

42 A32S
18 737-800s
2 777-300ERs
11 787s

24 E-175s
15 CRJ-900s
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:55 pm

When will AA's first 789 be delivered?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:57 pm

Isn't US getting A350?
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 12):
I'm showing different figures
Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 12):
11 787s

That presenation was in November, so it missed to 2 787s that didn't get delivered in December. I think the correct 788 count for 2015 is now 13.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:50 pm

Anyone know where the 787s will be placed on? That's quite a lot!
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:41 pm

[quote=727LOVER,reply=14]
Isn't US getting A350?

Not in 2015! Only Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines + Finnair.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 7):
Might AA slow the pace of retirements of the MD-80, 752, and 763 fleets, if the price of oil stays low, say under $60 a barrel? In watching CNBC, no one is predicting oil to go up to the $80 level, and there are some analysts who think oil could go down to $35 a barrel.

I would question whether they can slow down the financial obligations, yes payments are made on delivery but the loan agreements and already in place.
At present, interest rates are already at the bottom, so if the world economy picks up quicker due to the lower oil prices, you should expect financing cost to rise, so a catch 22 situation, gain on fuel loose on loans.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:36 pm

With the constant mention of the 737-800 deliveries, does anyone know if any of these will feature Schimitar winglets?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:51 pm

with all the expansion planned for asia and the replacement of the 767-300, did AA order enough 787's? 42 doesn't seem like enough. Are they planning to order more?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:04 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 20):

exactly
the 787 are supposedly going to be used for expansion and replacement of 767.
yet there are not even enough on order to replace the 767- let alone expansion.

something tells me that AA clearly does not want to expand and give everything over to DL and UA...
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:15 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 20):
with all the expansion planned for asia and the replacement of the 767-300, did AA order enough 787's? 42 doesn't seem like enough. Are they planning to order more?

They have 58 options, but with the A359's coming along as well,

I doubt we'll ever see 100 AA 787's in service
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:33 am

Does anybody know when the first 763ER is to be retired? Some of those airframes date from 1988. Weird thing is that they even winglet-ed the first aircraft N351AA plus the next three oldest.
The 767s in Japan took all the abuse of domestic sectors for close to 25 years. JL has some deliveries from 1988 still flying while much younger 777s were sent packing to the desert.
I flew on one of the older 763s in ANA the other day, and they can't hide the old-ness of the overhead bins but the seats and interior are still in very good condition.

Back to the topic; with over 100 aircraft deliveries with somewhere around 75 mainline deliveries to one airline is certainly unprecedented.
Does AA plan on retrofitting sharklets to the late model US-ordered A321s? They and some Chinese carriers are the only ones still taking on A321s with the old wingtip fences.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
I doubt we'll ever see 100 AA 787's in service

I think AA's fleet of 787 could grow to over 100, if they decided to go for the 787-10 as replacement for the A330s & 772s.
Of course, they could go with the A350 too, so it will be interesting to see which direction they take. Another factor is how much 787 flying is done domestically or short-range int'l flying like in the Caribbean and to northern destinations in South America.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:26 am

I think if we don't see AA to AKL we will see QF back on the route. Nearly three daily unchallenged 777 from NZ is madness and seems a route perfect for a 787. AA would have QF feed accross the Tasman, the new hard product should stand up to NZ, and the brand I'm sure could be leveraged easily in a start up market like NZ.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:04 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 8):

they should be flying there

to say those markets do not exist is uneducated- look at the total number of flights daily to Taipei

AA should be expanding to all the non OW hubs in Asia but of course they will not as they do not even have enough aircraft to replace their old ones.

LAX should not have given Tom Bradley gates to AA, should have gone to an airline more keen on expansion like DL etc perhaps a deal with T3 for DL and Tom Bradley gates.
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:25 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 25):

What????
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:50 pm

Will AA 787s have two or three class cabins?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:13 pm

What will be the split between A319 and A321 for AA's 2015 deliveries?
 
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:21 pm

Quoting AFCJETS (Reply 27):
Will AA 787s have two or three class cabins?

The -8s will be 2 class. 28J 198Y with 48 seats in main cabin extra.
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RE: AA 2015 Plane Deliveries

Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:43 am

The -9 will also be 2class at least to begin with and configured to 28J and 261Y with 51 being main cabin extra

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