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DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:20 pm

Per the schedule update to be loaded this weekend (and in the e-timetable that was pushed out this week), DL had loaded West Coast 717 flying, effective in June 2015.

The flying is concentrated out of LAX, but appears to be bridged into LAX via DTW/MSP-MCI-SLC-LAS-LAX


LAX-PDX 3x 717, 2x E75
LAX-LAS 4x 717, 4x E75

SLC-LAS 1x
SLC-MCI 1x
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:23 pm

Some other apparent schedule updates:

ATL-HNL 333 -> 744 effective May 1
ATL-ROA getting 2nd daily mainline 717 in May
ATL-SMF to get a 753 on the red-eye flight in July


SEA-ANC going to 6x daily in July (5x 73H, 1 739)
SEA-LAX 8x daily in June (7x 73H, 1x E75)

DTW-BGR 2x CR7 -> 2x 717 in July
DTW-MEX 319 through April, 73H May & Jun, 757 July (first time for a 757 on the route)
DTW-IAH getting a 717 replacing a CR7 fligth effective in May
DTW-CVG to get a mainline A320 flight (first mainline in a long time) on 1 of 6 flights in July

As with all of these....all are always subject to change!
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:29 pm

Will be great to see a different type here in Oregon. Looking forward to taking a 717 down to LAX!
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:30 pm

I believe SEA or LAX may even see a 717 base open up. It would be interesting to see how DL would use them up and down the west coast much like FL used them up and down the east coast and midwest.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
DTW-BGR 2x CR7 -> 2x 717 in July

Is there really that much demand on this route?
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:46 pm

Quoting raddek (Reply 3):
I believe SEA or LAX may even see a 717 base open up

For now all West coast 717 flying will be staffed with DTW based pilots

[Edited 2015-01-15 14:46:59]
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:48 pm

The 717s would fit perfectly on SLC - SNA / LGB / ONT / BUR routes. Maybe in the next wave.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:49 pm

What's the difference between a DC-9, MD-80 and a 717? Always wondered....I suppose newer interiors but other than that?
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:57 pm

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 7):

What's the difference between a DC-9, MD-80 and a 717? Always wondered....I suppose newer interiors but other than that?

The simple answer: Fuselage length, engines, avionics and yes, the interior.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 7):

A few general differences; the MD-80/90s are longer than the DC-9 with newer engines and more range, while the 717 is similar to the DC-9 in length and range but with still newer engines. There are more model-specific differences that someone with more knowledge of the types can better explain, but that's the gist of it.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:16 pm

As far as size, ground servicing, etc., the 717 is much like a modern day DC9-30...

FWIW, I really like working them.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:16 pm

The 717 has much larger overhead bins than the MD80/90. Although that may just be the AirTran birds, but Delta has kept those bins   
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 8):
Fuselage length, engines, avionics and yes, the interior.

The DC-9 was built in 5 variants, 4 lengths, the -10/20, -30, -40, -50. Quite a number of different engine options are available across the line. 2 wings on the DC-9, the -10 and the remainder have the same wing. The MD-80 was built in 2 lengths (MD-81/82/83/88 and MD87). They all share the same wing (MD80). The MD-90 is basically a re-engined MD80. The 717 is the DC-9-30 wing with a fuselage between the size of a -30 and a -40, of course with newer engines.

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Hopefully they are based in SLC or SEA eventually, or well never see them in SAN. Unless they replace the CRJ9 or ERJ175 on the LAX-SAN rotation (unlikely)
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 4):

Is there really that much demand on this route?

yes .. Bah Hahbah!
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:04 am

Will SFO see any 717s?
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 3x 717, 2x E75

I have a feeling the larger DL (mainline) jets are being added to this market for upcoming competitive reasons: WN has already announced entering the market in June, and AA can't be far behind (probably with CRJs or E175s.)

Just a gut feeling on my part...

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:01 am

Thanks everyone! Little history lesson on the variants of the original DC-9! So how does it compare to other narrow-body, short range aircraft when it comes to CASM? Hearing it's the same wing as the DC-9 and knowing the capacity is less makes me wonder if it's more expensive to operate than a newer 737 or A320.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:04 am

Today I noticed what might be a Delta MD-95/717 that was taking off from MSP heading northeast over the northern suburbs. Does Delta operate the 717 out of MSP. The aircraft appeared to me to have the engines too close to the wing compared to the MD-90 or MD-88.   
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:48 am

Quoting raddek (Reply 3):
I believe SEA or LAX may even see a 717 base open up. It would be interesting to see how DL would use them up and down the west coast much like FL used them up and down the east coast and midwest.
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 5):
For now all West coast 717 flying will be staffed with DTW based pilots

There are no plans to open a West Coast 717 pilot base in 2015. For now, the west coast routes will be flown by the DTW 717 pilot base. My guess is they will bridge crews out/back as it is right now on DTW-MCI-SLC-LAS-LAX. Aircraft aren't assigned a base per say, but they would have a enough airplanes out on the west coast to fly the schedule and bridge/rotate them back east to the rest of the system for maintenance via the MCI-SLC-LAS-LAX routing.

No SEA 717 flying for now.

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 4):

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
DTW-BGR 2x CR7 -> 2x 717 in July

Is there really that much demand on this route?

In the middle of the summer, I would think so. With the coastal Maine beach towns, Acadia NP, and the likes they should be able to fill this in the middle of the summer. Its about 230 seats/day in a relatively non-competitive market with high-yielding leisure demand.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 6):
The 717s would fit perfectly on SLC - SNA / LGB / ONT / BUR routes. Maybe in the next wave.

Right now there is no SLC flying, other than to bridge aircraft into LAX.

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 13):
Hopefully they are based in SLC or SEA eventually, or well never see them in SAN. Unless they replace the CRJ9 or ERJ175 on the LAX-SAN rotation (unlikely)

A lot of the West Coast flying is similar to how DL built-up LGA. There is a balance between capacity and frequency. The use of 2-class RJs helps keep this balance.

Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 15):
Will SFO see any 717s?

Maybe but not in the initial batch of flying in June.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I have a feeling the larger DL (mainline) jets are being added to this market for upcoming competitive reasons: WN has already announced entering the market in June, and AA can't be far behind (probably with CRJs or E175s.)

Just a gut feeling on my part...

bb

Yep, a lot of this appears to be for competitive reasons and how DL is trying to get some conquest marketshare in LAX. 2015 appears to be more of a year to "built-out" LAX. If there was a time to be fortify LAX its now as domestic demand is strong, the economy is relatively stable, fuel price is down, the airline is doing well; so they have some ability to make some investments and develop markets.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 18):
Today I noticed what might be a Delta MD-95/717 that was taking off from MSP heading northeast over the northern suburbs. Does Delta operate the 717 out of MSP. The aircraft appeared to me to have the engines too close to the wing compared to the MD-90 or MD-88

There is now a daily 717 on MSP-JFK in January 2015 This it the first regularly scheduled 717 flight into MSP. There have been a few substitutions with the 717 into MSP previously though. More 717s into MSP come online in February & March.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:04 am

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 18):

yes. MSP-JFK.

but MSP will also, AFAIK, be doing the 717 c-checks when they start. (along with the M88/M90s)
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:35 am

MSP has also had the 717 on CLT since mid-December, right? It is operating it today.

There was also a good amount of 717 service during the irregular holiday period when the BOS-LGA and BOS-JFK 717 flying was pulled down. MSP-DAY, for example, had the 717 on the RON trip on and off during the holiday.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
ATL-HNL 333 -> 744 effective May 1

Well that would explain how they plan to pull off the LAX-PVG with a 77L, replace it with a 333.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 23):

Well that would explain how they plan to pull off the LAX-PVG with a 77L, replace it with a 333.

wait....replace what with the 333?

LAX-PVG is a bit long for the current Delta 333s. 242t airplane might be able to do it though.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 23):
Well that would explain how they plan to pull off the LAX-PVG with a 77L, replace it with a 333.

What the!? Replace something else that's currently 77L with a 333 is what I think you mean...
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
SLC-LAS 1x
SLC-MCI 1x

Seems this would put to bed any concerns over hot and high for the 717.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
Quoting Alsatian (Reply 6):
The 717s would fit perfectly on SLC - SNA / LGB / ONT / BUR routes. Maybe in the next wave.

Right now there is no SLC flying, other than to bridge aircraft into LAX.

Any chance mainline will return on SLC-ORD in the future?
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:15 am

SEA-ANC going to 6x daily in July (5x 73H, 1 739)
SEA-LAX 8x daily in June (7x 73H, 1x E75)

DL is aggressively fighting for market share. There is money to be made in Seattle and the West Coast.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 6):
The 717s would fit perfectly on SLC - SNA / LGB / ONT / BUR routes. Maybe in the next wave.

That´s also my impression due to the quietness of the Boeing 717.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 18):Today I noticed what might be a Delta MD-95/717 that was taking off from MSP heading northeast over the northern suburbs. Does Delta operate the 717 out of MSP. The aircraft appeared to me to have the engines too close to the wing compared to the MD-90 or MD-88
There is now a daily 717 on MSP-JFK in January 2015 This it the first regularly scheduled 717 flight into MSP. There have been a few substitutions with the 717 into MSP previously though. More 717s into MSP come online in February & March.

In February, it looks to me like DL is testing out the 717 on various routes from MSP. I found them on the following routes (possibly not an exhaustive list, and some of these were not operated daily):

MSP-SAT
MSP-OMA
MSP-MSN
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MSP-IAD
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 3x 717, 2x E75
LAX-LAS 4x 717, 4x E75

When is the start dates of the new 717 flights?
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:27 pm

I'm still hoping DL will bring the 717 to ROC during daylight hours . They brough them in from DTW for 2 weeks in December,but came and went in the dark
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 25):
What the!? Replace something else that's currently 77L with a 333 is what I think you mean...

Yes, corret. Poor wording on my part.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:11 pm

There have been several threads over the last year or so about DL's 717s and the west coast and I remember a few swore it wouldn't happen ever, or anytime in the near future.

Looks like we now have an answer. We just wait and see how extensively the a/c will be used out here, and if there will be a base out west or not...

My feeling remains that it is a great plane for the west, serving many routes up and down the west coast perfectly and it WILL become an important part of DL's ops here.

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 4):

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
DTW-BGR 2x CR7 -> 2x 717 in July

Is there really that much demand on this route?

Yes, but only in the summer and maybe early fall/autumn. I lived in BGR for six years so I'm fairly intimately aware of the area. Winter/spring tourism is almost non-existent and the city/metro area is not large enough to sustain year-round mainline service except for Allegiant to sun/sand destinations (note - BGR is within 100 miles of New Brunswick and the Canadian border and does receive cross-border traffic from the Canadian maritimes).

During the summer, BGR is ideally located close to the central Maine coast and the eastern coast ('Downeast'), including the resort towns of Camden and Bar Harbor as well as Acadia National Park. Acadia NP receives over one million visitors per year, almost entirely in the summer since the main road in the park closes to car traffic in the winter.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
DTW-BGR 2x CR7 -> 2x 717 in July

Wow!!! I'm a bit amazed. I can definitely see the summer traffic potential for DL on this route, since BGR is very close to the resort towns on the Maine coast (Camden, Bar Harbor, etc) and Acadia National Park. But still - I lived there for almost a decade and it was only regional service and Allegiant to Florida. I think this marks the first time a legacy mainline has returned to BGR since at least the 1990's, maybe even the 1980's.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 3x 717, 2x E75

This is GREAT! Nice to see DL taking on AS/WN on this route and making it more competitive, and it's a win-win because I'd so much rather fly this route on a 717 than a CRJ or even an E175. I am in PDX regularly and I can't wait to see the 717 there.

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 2):
Will be great to see a different type here in Oregon.

  
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 3x 717, 2x E75
LAX-LAS 4x 717, 4x E75

Those are going to be some great flights. Just having the 2-2/2-3 seating options will be awesome.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
SEA-ANC going to 6x daily in July (5x 73H, 1 739)
SEA-LAX 8x daily in June (7x 73H, 1x E75)

Very competitive. That's a lot of SEA-ANC capacity for them.

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
Very competitive. That's a lot of SEA-ANC capacity for them.

And hopefully cheaper fares for consumers. Don't get me wrong, I like AS; I'm an MVP Gold and fly them several times a year. With that being said, they had a virtual monopoly on certain SEA routes in the mid-late 2000's and it's nice to see some competition and lower prices for consumers.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:14 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 14):
well never see them in SAN. Unless they replace the CRJ9 or ERJ175 on the LAX-SAN rotation (unlikely)

I wouldn't rule it out as Delta has deployed them on very short stage lengths that have traditionally been RJ routes, such as ATL-CHA at 106 mi. Chattanooga used to be all CR2, but now gets a mix of CR2, CR7, and a couple of 717 frequencies daily.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
There have been several threads over the last year or so about DL's 717s and the west coast and I remember a few swore it wouldn't happen ever, or anytime in the near future.

I think the 717 strategy has greatly evolved in the past year. I've been hearing rumblings of West Coast flying for them lately, and now we have the proof. Unfortunately though I think this flying is at the expense of Upper Midwest operations in DTW and MSP. I think large RJs will stay the norm there; they won't see a large scale 717 expansion at least in the near term.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
My feeling remains that it is a great plane for the west, serving many routes up and down the west coast perfectly and it WILL become an important part of DL's ops here.

I think it's the logical up-gauge from large RJs when trying to build a West Coast network, but otherwise I find it hard to believe that the 717 is a good fit for the West. These are large markets, and the 717 is behind on CASM versus WN and other airlines in the 150/160-seat class. The 717 is great for thin markets and short sectors, the combination of which doesn't describe the West Coast. I would believe the best fit for the 717 is shorter, smaller markets out of ATL, LGA, DTW, and MSP.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
There is now a daily 717 on MSP-JFK in January 2015 This it the first regularly scheduled 717 flight into MSP. There have been a few substitutions with the 717 into MSP previously though. More 717s into MSP come online in February & March.

I was fortunate to find myself on a 717 from LGA to MSP on Dec 20 (DL2319). It showed up in my itinerary several weeks in advance, but it was just a one-off--the same flight on the days before and after was operated by the usual mix of MD-80/90 and A32X. Anyone know what the first DL 717 revenue flight into MSP was?

Quoting TW870 (Reply 22):
There was also a good amount of 717 service during the irregular holiday period when the BOS-LGA and BOS-JFK 717 flying was pulled down. MSP-DAY, for example, had the 717 on the RON trip on and off during the holiday.

That would explain my flight above. It was a peak holiday travel day (Saturday before Christmas). In fact we even left from the BOS shuttle gate at LGA.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:01 pm

Some of this is especially nice, particularly SEA/PDX-LAX and SEA-ANC. These are old Western routes before the 1987 buyout by Delta, and Western was a major competitor on those routes (with the other incumbent to California being United and to Anchorage/Fairbanks being Alaska). So whether it is a 717, a E75, or a 75X, it is still nice to see Delta moving in strong, although I am an AS fan.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
The 717 is great for thin markets and short sectors, the combination of which doesn't describe the West Coast. I would believe the best fit for the 717 is shorter, smaller markets out of ATL, LGA, DTW, and MSP.

   It seems DL is deploying the 717's on the west coast to compete and build their network, not as a permanent presence. If it was intended to be permanent right now they'd open a 717 base somewhere west of the Mississippi and right now all of the west coast flying is to be done by DTW pilots, which doesn't exactly indicate "long term". DL is opening a 737 base in SEA right around now and I think the long term plan is to fly 737's on the west coast markets where there is demand and use the 717's to compete in smaller markets, probably with the hope of at least expanding market share until they can use 737's.

Quoting CHA5departure (Reply 38):

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 14):
well never see them in SAN. Unless they replace the CRJ9 or ERJ175 on the LAX-SAN rotation (unlikely)

I wouldn't rule it out as Delta has deployed them on very short stage lengths that have traditionally been RJ routes, such as ATL-CHA at 106 mi. Chattanooga used to be all CR2, but now gets a mix of CR2, CR7, and a couple of 717 frequencies daily.

Never say never. I remember flying on a DL 727 between LAX-SAN back in the late 80's and early 90's as a kid; DL was running a route down from Alaska that connected a few times and the final leg was LAX-SAN. And before you say "oil was cheaper back then", it could get down to $10-$20/bbl this year, and a 717 or 737 is a heck of a lot more fuel efficient than a 727.

Quoting superjeff (Reply 41):
it is still nice to see Delta moving in strong, although I am an AS fan.

   Agreed. People new to the PNW forget that as recently as the mid 1990's, DL was big in PDX and SEA. I remember regularly flying DL 757's and occasionally 767's between LAX-PDX in the mid to late 1990's. Nowadays it seems inconceivable to run a 767 between PDX and LAX and even a 757 seems overkill given that CRJ's and 737's are now the staple of this route, but DL did it regularly 20 years ago.
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:19 pm

So where do you see the E175's being deployed. Compass is going to have a fair amount of spare hours ager they bring the 717's to the west coast. I could see them trying to place them on the SEA-Sitka/Ketchikan route and else where but the real question is where will they go? The 717 seems the logical next step after using the 175 to start a market and see what the loads look like the 717 brings a nice increase in seats available without the size of a 738/320.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
I think it's the logical up-gauge from large RJs when trying to build a West Coast network, but otherwise I find it hard to believe that the 717 is a good fit for the West. These are large markets, and the 717 is behind on CASM versus WN and other airlines in the 150/160-seat class. The 717 is great for thin markets and short sectors, the combination of which doesn't describe the West Coast. I would believe the best fit for the 717 is shorter, smaller markets out of ATL, LGA, DTW, and MSP.

There's a big gap between the E75s and CR9s doing a lot of DL's West Coast flying and 738s (reallocated) and 739s (newly delivered). That DL may regard these as a solution pending confirmed share gains is suggested by the lack of a West Coast 717 base. I suspect they've given this some thought.
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
I've been hearing rumblings of West Coast flying for them lately, and now we have the proof. Unfortunately though I think this flying is at the expense of Upper Midwest operations in DTW and MSP.

Which illustrates why many have speculated that 88 aircraft are not enough for DL, and that the fleet will be expanded beyond that in the future.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:34 am

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 4):
Is there really that much demand on this route?

The route's operated seasonally as 4xCR7 since 2012 and was scheduled to do so again this year. The transition to 2x717 actually represents a capacity decrease.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
I think the 717 strategy has greatly evolved in the past year. ... I think it's the logical up-gauge from large RJs when trying to build a West Coast network, but otherwise I find it hard to believe that the 717 is a good fit for the West. These are large markets, and the 717 is behind on CASM versus WN and other airlines in the 150/160-seat class. The 717 is great for thin markets and short sectors, the combination of which doesn't describe the West Coast. I would believe the best fit for the 717 is shorter, smaller markets out of ATL, LGA, DTW, and MSP.

It's interesting to watch DL upgauge many smaller southern communities to the 717, yet many smaller Midwestern/Northeastern communities (re: not large enough to serve from ATL) are now down to just two flights a day (many operated with 50-seaters) with the reduction in 50-seaters. Going forward, I would be surprised if DL's position in the Midwest/Northeast didn't continue to deteriorate. 2 flights a day into ERI, BGM, SWF, etc. just isn't going to be competitive. (Of course, many of these markets may not have been profitable for DL.)
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 43):

LAX-SJC/OAK/SMF is going all E75
Also all the non-717 flights on LAX-LAS will be going E75.

Quoting ua767400 (Reply 30):

June 4
 
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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:49 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 12):
The MD-90 is basically a re-engined MD80.

Don't forget the stretch. The MD-90 has much better per seat economics thanks to that stretch:

Quoting reltney (Reply 20):
You have great info. Add this
Md-80 147'10". Md-90 was stretched yet again. 152'7" .

Thanks for the numbers.

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RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 7):
What's the difference between a DC-9, MD-80 and a 717? Always wondered....I suppose newer interiors but other than that?

One thing they have in common is the backup compass over the FO's shoulder, and the little flip-up "makeup mirror" to view it.

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